DMN Blog: One value pick, one reach for Cowboys

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One value pick, one reach for Cowboys
9:45 AM Thu, May 07, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Good news: Seventh-round CB Mike Mickens cracked DraftCountdown.com's list of this year's top value picks.

Bad news: Fourth-round OLB Victor Butler cracked the list of the top reaches.

Click here to check out both lists.
Here is the link to check out both lists below;
http://www.draftcountdown.com/results/Values-Reaches.php

Another interesting name on the top value picks is Richmond DE/OLB Lawrence Sidbury, drafted by the Falcons with the 125th overall pick. The Cowboys must not have liked what they saw or heard when Sidbury visited Valley Ranch, considering they passed on him twice in the fourth round for other DE/OLB prospects.


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cowboyjoe;2766368 said:
One value pick, one reach for Cowboys
9:45 AM Thu, May 07, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Tim MacMahon E-mail News tips

Good news: Seventh-round CB Mike Mickens cracked DraftCountdown.com's list of this year's top value picks.

Bad news: Fourth-round OLB Victor Butler cracked the list of the top reaches.

Click here to check out both lists.
Here is the link to check out both lists below;
http://www.draftcountdown.com/results/Values-Reaches.php

Another interesting name on the top value picks is Richmond DE/OLB Lawrence Sidbury, drafted by the Falcons with the 125th overall pick. The Cowboys must not have liked what they saw or heard when Sidbury visited Valley Ranch, considering they passed on him twice in the fourth round for other DE/OLB prospects.


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I definitely think that the Cowboys, for whatever reasons, didn't want Sidbury - esp after they met with him at VR and still passed on him.

I think Wade knows exactly what he's looking for at LBs, and I'm trusting that he picked two promising guys.
 

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He also has Darry Beckwith going in the 3rd round in his mock and he didn't even get drafted. I'm not to worried about these internet gurus. I'll trust Tom.:D
 

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Woods;2766381 said:
I definitely think that the Cowboys, for whatever reasons, didn't want Sidbury - esp after they met with him at VR and still passed on him.

I think Wade knows exactly what he's looking for at LBs, and I'm trusting that he picked two promising guys.

thats a good point, and yes i think thats why the cowboys passed on him for jason williams, like wade says you can give the player the eye ball test and see if he can convert to linebacker

that you can just tell the way they move and react to certain drills
 

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cowboyjoe;2766390 said:
thats a good point, and yes i think thats why the cowboys passed on him for jason williams, like wade says you can give the player the eye ball test and see if he can convert to linebacker

that you can just tell the way they move and react to certain drills

Cowboyjoe, not only did they pass on Sidbury for J Williams, they also passed on Sidbury for Brandon Williams and Vic Butler.

I can only assume that they really didn't think that Sidbury could fit their schemes.
 

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Woods;2766381 said:
I definitely think that the Cowboys, for whatever reasons, didn't want Sidbury - esp after they met with him at VR and still passed on him.

I think Wade knows exactly what he's looking for at LBs, and I'm trusting that he picked two promising guys.


I agree. I dont like Wade as the head coach, but as the defensive coordinator and a judge of talent at linebacker his input should be weighted heavily.

If we are going to have wade and if we are going to have him run the defense from day 1 this year then by all means give him players that fit his style. I trust his judgement of linebackers.
 

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theebs;2766425 said:
I agree. I dont like Wade as the head coach, but as the defensive coordinator and a judge of talent at linebacker his input should be weighted heavily.

If we are going to have wade and if we are going to have him run the defense from day 1 this year then by all means give him players that fit his style. I trust his judgement of linebackers.

Absolutely.
 

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I forget the specifics, but during the draft on Sunday Norm made a comment about Sidbury and why teams were passing on him. I knew immediately he wouldn't be a Cowboy.
 

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big dog cowboy;2766446 said:
I forget the specifics, but during the draft on Sunday Norm made a comment about Sidbury and why teams were passing on him. I knew immediately he wouldn't be a Cowboy.

With Gilbert, it was the back concerns.

I don't remember the reason with Sidbury though.
 

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I believe they mentioned that alot of teams viewed him as very raw and a one trick pony. Almost every one of his highlights showed him using a spin move to get free from the OL and get pressure on the QB. Many scouts didn't think he would be very successfull with that in the NFL.
 

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theebs;2766425 said:
I agree. I dont like Wade as the head coach, but as the defensive coordinator and a judge of talent at linebacker his input should be weighted heavily.

If we are going to have wade and if we are going to have him run the defense from day 1 this year then by all means give him players that fit his style. I trust his judgement of linebackers.

totally agree, wade is a super defensive coordinator to me, hopefully wade has learned some things from last year and changes are coming like he said, heres to hoping and dreaming;

but one thing about it, wade did get some defensive players that he wanted this year, because the cowboys mainly loaded up on defensive players in this draft;
 

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Woods;2766381 said:
I definitely think that the Cowboys, for whatever reasons, didn't want Sidbury - esp after they met with him at VR and still passed on him.

I think Wade knows exactly what he's looking for at LBs, and I'm trusting that he picked two promising guys.
I don't think Sidbury is a Special Teams kind of guy.
 

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I also don't remember the specifics, but I seem to recall Norm saying something along the lines of something about Sidbury turned the team off.

Of course, it's pure speculation, but I took it as something (ego, drive, attitude, etc.) in his interviews turned them off.

big dog cowboy;2766446 said:
I forget the specifics, but during the draft on Sunday Norm made a comment about Sidbury and why teams were passing on him. I knew immediately he wouldn't be a Cowboy.
 

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all i could find on sidbury is this;

Lawrence Sidbury Jr.
DE, Richmond
War Room analysis


POST-DRAFT ANALYSIS:

Sidbury plays with good instincts and has the lateral quickness to pursue down the line of scrimmage. He plays with a consistently high motor but needs to improve his overall strength and hand technique.

PRE-DRAFT ANALYSIS:

Strengths: Has good short-area quickness. Changes directions well. Plays with good instincts and intelligence. Finds the ball quickly. Uses his hands well as a run defender. Has good lateral quickness and is outstanding making plays down the line of scrimmage from the backside. Will lay out to make a tackle. Hustles all the time and will make plays sideline to sideline. Closes on the quarterback with a different gear when he has a chance to make a play.

Weaknesses: Needs to improve his overall strength. Does not use his hands effectively as a pass rusher. Can be moved off the ball when he loses his hands off the snap. Will fall off tackles when he does not drive his legs. Will need time to adjust to dropping into coverage in the NFL.

Bottom line: Sidbury played defensive end in college and will either man that spot for a team that plays a 4-3 defense or make the transition to outside linebacker in a 3-4. Sidbury is smart and understands how to play the game. Where to play him will be the question for scouts and coaches, but he definitely has the talent worthy of a middle-round pick.
 

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i got this off of sporting news war room, thought id share it with you


Cowboys' team report: Day 1 passes without a pick

April 26, 2009 Print it

By Sporting News staff reports

War Room scouts and Cowboys' correspondent Jean-Jacques Taylor offer their analysis from the NFL draft:

Overview

This draft has a bad feel to it because the Cowboys traded out of the second round and spent so much time talking about finding special teams contributors. While special teams are important, you wonder if they spent so much time talking about special teams contributors they forgot to look for football players who could help them this season. It's tough to look at the players they acquired and find guys who can step on the field and help them this year on first, second and third down, which is something Jerry Jones said needed to happen. For a club with 12 draft picks, the Cowboys didn't use any of their picks to move up until the fifth round.

Quotable:
"We drafted Stephen McGee because a quarterback for the future is something we need. Green Bay did it for a long time in their championship years. It's good to have a young quarterback that you feel good about." -- coach Wade Phillips

3rd round, No. 69 overall pick: Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois

Scout's take: Williams was an athletic and productive player at Western Illinois, but he's a bit stiff and straight-lined. He had a good postseason, which helped elevate his status. He will fit as an outside backer in the Cowboys' 3-4 defense and may be able to rush the passer with his speed.

Correspondent's take: The Cowboys will use him at inside linebacker on the weakside where he won't have to fight through so much traffic to get to the ball-carrier.

3rd round, No. 75 overall pick: Robert Brewster, G, Ball State

Scout's take: Brewster lacks the quick footwork to be a productive starter in the NFL. He is very raw and will need time to develop and improve his technique. He plays too upright and will also need to improve his leverage.This is another reach that we don't believe will develop into a productive player at the next level.

Correspondent's take: An eventual replacement for Flozell Adams and Marc Colombo. He'll have time to develop.

4th round, No. 101 overall pick: Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M

Scout's take: Some speculated that Dallas would look for a quarterback on day two, so this pick does not come as a great surprise. McGee does not have much experience in a pro-style offense, but elevated his stock in the postseason by showing the physical skills to be able to develop into an NFL quarterback. McGee gives Dallas some insurance and someone to develop for the long term, without putting extra pressure on Tony Romo.

Correspondent's take: McGee is only the second quarterback drafted in the past 15 years by the Cowboys. Dallas can bring him along slowly with Tony Romo and Jon Kitna on the roster.

4th round, No. 110 overall pick: Victor Butler, LB, Oregon State

Scout's take:While we feel that this pick is another stretch, it is clear that Bobby Carpenter may be on his way out in Dallas. Obviously 3-4 teams are always looking for depth with their linebacking corps, and Dallas hopes Butler can develop into a solid contributor.

Correspondent's take: An undersized defensive end in college, the Cowboys will convert him to linebacker in hopes he can develop into a another pass rusher.

4th round, No. 120 overall pick: Brandon Williams, DE, Texas Tech

Scout's take:Williams made his name this year with an excellent performance against Michael Oher from Mississippi. He is quick and athletic, and should develop into a decent pass rusher while playing OLB for the Cowboys.

Correspondent's take: At only 261 pounds, he's another undersized defensive end in the 3-4, so look for him to be moved to outside linebacker.

5th round, No. 143 overall pick, DeAngelo Smith, CB, Cincinnati

Correspondent's take: The Cowboys need depth with the departure of Adam Jones and Terence Newman's recent injury history. Smith has the versatility to play cornerback and 6safety.

5th round, No. 166 overall pick, Mike Hamlin, S, Clemson

Correspondent's take: Dallas filled a significant need at safety with a player it considered taking much earlier in the draft.

5th round, No. 172 overall pick, David Buehler, K, USC

Correspondent's take: Although he has a powerful leg that could make him a kickoff specialist, Dallas will give him an opportunity to have a large role on special teams because he also played linebacker and running back in college.

5th round, No. 197 overall pick, Stephen Hodge, OLB, TCU

Correspondent's take: He will play inside linebacker for the Cowboys, and they're looking for him to be a terrific special teams player like he was at TCU.

5th round, No. 208 overall pick, John Phillips, TE, Virginia

Correspondent's take: A solid blocker, who has good receiving skills, in part, because he began his career as a receiver.

7th round, No. 227 overall pick, Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinnati

Correspondent's take: An aggressive play-maker who could provide depth at cornerback because he's good in coverage. He has had some injury issues.

7th round, No. 229 overall pick, Manuel Johnson, WR, Oklahoma

Correspondent's take: Adequate receiver who has some toughness and decent hands.

Unfinished business

The Cowboys still need some help at receiver, so don't be shocked if they make a run at former Jacksonville receiver Matt Jones in free agency. He was in the midst of his best season as a pro last year -- 65 catches, 761 yards and two touchdowns -- before being suspended for the final three games of the year for violating the league's substance-abuse policy. He would give the Cowboys some speed on the outside, but they want to see how the commissioner will handle the situation before they make a decision on how hard to pursue the player Jerry Jones coveted when he was at Arkansas.

Given what the Cowboys think about their roster, there's no reason to think they're going to add any other players of note in free agency.
 

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Woods;2766416 said:
Cowboyjoe, not only did they pass on Sidbury for J Williams, they also passed on Sidbury for Brandon Williams and Vic Butler.

I can only assume that they really didn't think that Sidbury could fit their schemes.

Not only that but about 4 other teams selected other OLB after pick ~100. In fact he has 3 OLB in his overdrafted section while Sidbury is the lone OLB "value". I tend to think this means there was a consensus amongst scouts that Sidbury wasn't as good as draftniks thought.

I do believe we reached a bit at OLB but so did everyone else who took one. Its almost like QB in that you have to overpay to get one that can rush the passer.
 

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Hostile;2766555 said:
I don't think Sidbury is a Special Teams kind of guy.

Not sure about that but he was awful at Senior Bowl practices when asked to anchor versus the run. He looked real quick and real small. Almost like a soccer player out there. When blocked tho it was like he had on skates for how easily he moved out of the way.

I liked him as a pure pass rush prospect but guess not many teams did.
 

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Every 3-4 team in the league passed on Sidbury multiple times, same as Gilbert. I think that says something. I remember on draft day, Mike Mayock saying Sidbury couldn't play the run for anything and would need a couple of years before he would be a starter.
 
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