DMN Blog: Patrick Crayton opens up/Amped to play the Giants

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DWhite Fan;2947966 said:
Let them talk! I personally would love to see the rivalry between Dallas and New York have the intensity of Dallas/Washington in the 70s. Lets get some real hostility flowing ;)

Yeah it made it great because Dallas was winning most of those games. :laugh1:

Talk, don't talk does not matter much to me but back it up on the field if you don't then you look like a fool afterwards
 

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theebs;2947876 said:
He didnt say anything wrong there. Only matt mosely would turn that into a headline.

I will say this, I am listening to bad radio right now and they just completely threw crayton under the bus. they played a group of audio clips of crayton and jacobs trash talking and the problem is they played them out of order. They completely screwed up the timeline of events.

The giants have always talked in this matchup and the only one to respond was crayton, and he didnt respond until the win in ny in 07. Then leading up to the playoff game he said the giants keep saying they are going to beat us and we keep winning and he got crucified for that. Crayton even brought up how jacobs said the giants would meet dallas at the airport and play them there and crayton pointed out that ridiculous comment and it got turned into crayton being a trash talker.

I am pulling my hair out listening to bob and dan talk about this and get it completely wrong. I am going to try and get on with bob and dc tonight and tell bob he totally screwed up the timeline of the sequence of events he played.

The giants have talked and talked.

It was shockey in december of 06 who said Dallas has no chance in hell of winning in NY, It was jacobs and osi who guaranteed wins in Dallas in september of 07 and it was jacobs who guaranteed a win in november of 07 saying the giants were so excited to beat the cowboys they would meet them on friday and play them at the airport....

all crayton ever did was respond to those ridiculous comments wondering why they keep talking if they keep losing. And right when he asked that question the ny media flipped it into crayton talks trash and runs his mouth, which then turned into a national story that the cowboys talk trash.

It was all bogus and a spin job by the ny media who claimed the giants never talked trash to Dallas the week of the playoff game.

They conveniently forgot shockey calling parcells a homo in 03, barber calling out roy williams in 04 and 05, Burress saying roy sucked and that he was a 250 pound ankle tackler, Burress said owens was afraid and called him a coward when he dropped a pass in 06 when wilson hit him, then all the 07 jacobs, tuck and osi tuck......

Only in response did crayton ever say anything and he got turned into the bad guy, and since he did it during the week of the playoff game and everyone wanted Dallas to lose it was the perfect storm.

Now there is this perception that Dallas trash talks and crayton started it all and it is all bogus and it drives me nuts.

Well said.
 

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I love Crayton. I hope he puts up another 100+ yd game on those *******s.
 

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cobra;2947869 said:
His statment was bland.

Those of you who get so pissed off at him talking need to grow the **** up.

Nothing he said is controversial. He was not talking smack.

And he has never lived up to anything? He was an extremely good #2 WR for us 2 years ago on a 13-3 team. And last game, he did great.

So get off the guy's *** already. Quit getting your panties in a wad every time he opens his mouth--even when he says something as innocuous as this.

I swear most of you must be 10 years old, still butt hurt over that one dropped catch. Get over it. Reminds me of my nephew who cries over his dropped ice cream and holds a grudge about it.

I agree. Way too much is made about the drop in the playoffs and not much is said about the fact he's simply a solid receiver for us.
 

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Hoofbite;2947857 said:
That's the problem. He hasn't ever lived up to his gum-bumpin.

Personally, I kind of wish Crayton would shut up.

Are you kidding me? He didn't say anything. The only thing he touched on was that there is indeed a rivalry/hate thing between Dallas and NY. You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

He actually gave the Giants props and you act like he just filled up their bulletin board with messages of hate and bitterness. :rolleyes:
 

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Doomsday101;2947978 said:
Yeah it made it great because Dallas was winning most of those games. :laugh1:

Talk, don't talk does not matter much to me but back it up on the field if you don't then you look like a fool afterwards


thats my beef with all of this. The giants talked and talked for nearly 3 years, and they didnt win an important game against us till the playoff game.

Then all of a sudden all their promises and guarantees that they didnt live up to were forgotten and crayton is public enemy number 1 for merely responding to their nonsense for years.

The giants never lived up to their hype and their talk. Yet I hear an interview with chris snee this morning on bad radio and he was asked about the trash talk and he said it came from here.

Its insane. They have insulted and started trouble constantly, they are always talking about the cowboys and it is always unprovoked.

No one ever asked shockey about his guarantees or jacobs about his. None of those giants ever give the cowboys credit. Much like giants fans, like Tom the giants fan who posts here all they would ever say is wait till we see you again or I hope we get a chance to play you again.

yet, that is A-OK.

Then on top of it all you throw in the way they celebrated in our locker room talking trash and the phony story coughlin made up about jerry putting nfc championship tickets in each players locker the week of the playoff game.......

its frustrating to see this get played as a back and forth when it has always been from one place. Especially the local media here in Dallas, intelligent people like Bob Sturm completely screwing up the order of events.
 

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theebs;2948001 said:
thats my beef with all of this. The giants talked and talked for nearly 3 years, and they didnt win an important game against us till the playoff game.

Then all of a sudden all their promises and guarantees that they didnt live up to were forgotten and crayton is public enemy number 1 for merely responding to their nonsense for years.

The giants never lived up to their hype and their talk. Yet I hear an interview with chris snee this morning on bad radio and he was asked about the trash talk and he said it came from here.

Its insane. They have insulted and started trouble constantly, they are always talking about the cowboys and it is always unprovoked.

No one ever asked shockey about his guarantees or jacobs about his. None of those giants ever give the cowboys credit. Much like giants fans, like Tom the giants fan who posts here all they would ever say is wait till we see you again or I hope we get a chance to play you again.

yet, that is A-OK.

Then on top of it all you throw in the way they celebrated in our locker room talking trash and the phony story coughlin made up about jerry putting nfc championship tickets in each players locker the week of the playoff game.......

its frustrating to see this get played as a back and forth when it has always been from one place. Especially the local media here in Dallas, intelligent people like Bob Sturm completely screwing up the order of events.

I understand there is the way you would like things to be and then there is the way it is. I don't offended or upset with the players talking but I know they will catch hell afterwards if they don't back it up by many fans and media. If it does not bother the player go for it. What I do care about like any fan is the player to go out and execute the plays and make plays the rest is meaningless.

I recall Hollywood Henderson trash talking about Bradshaw before the SB saying Terry was so dumb that he could not spell the word cat even if you spotted him the C and the T. Bradshaw and the Steelers were the ones talking when the game was done.
 

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Just for fun....because I have been working on a video about the cowboys giants rivalry.

here are some fun articles, showing where all the trash talk has come from.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/2006/11/29/2006-11-29_bill_gives_cowboys_a_shock__.html

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedc...wboys/stories/090706dnspocowdate.31e8154.html

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/15951345/

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/sometimes-the-bully-wins-in-the-end/



here is osi after the 07 loss in november saying they are absolutely not better than us.
http://img401.*************/img401/6717/ositalksstuff1.jpg

here is shockey in 06 saying no way in hell they beat us
http://img27.*************/img27/3061/shockeynowayinhelldall.jpg

here is burress who also guaranteed a win before the playoff game on ny radio and then proceeded to call out and insult our secondary....here he is calling out owens and williams
http://img443.*************/img443/7987/plaxcallsowensacoward3.jpg


Here is gosselin saying coughlins nfc championship tickets in the cowboys locker story is false
http://img401.*************/img401/2838/rickgosselinsayscoughli.jpg


anyway I could go on and on. They were the ones talking and talking and they never had to answer for it and never lived up to their talk. Yet crayton is the bad guy.

I am listening to galloway right now and they have tuck coming on at 4:40 and they are going to ask him about all the trash talk coming from Dallas.

When I heard that I wanted to pull my hair out. This line of thinking is so out of whack and backwards, yet it is the perception so lazy radio guys just keep repeating it.
 

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Doomsday101;2948017 said:
I understand there is the way you would like things to be and then there is the way it is. I don't offended or upset with the players talking but I know they will catch hell afterwards if they don't back it up by many fans and media. If it does not bother the player go for it. What I do care about like any fan is the player to go out and execute the plays and make plays the rest is meaningless.

I recall Hollywood Henderson trash talking about Bradshaw before the SB saying Terry was so dumb that he could not spell the word cat even if you spotted him the C and the T. Bradshaw and the Steelers were the ones talking when the game was done.

Well I am sorry, but again, much like the media you have it backwards.

Its the giants who talk and talk. Not the other way around. I dont remember anyone asking them about backing it up in 03, 06, or in the regular season in 07.

here is a good article about it.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/sometimes-the-bully-wins-in-the-end/

Sometimes the Bully Wins in the End

By The New York TimesOur guest bloggers this week are the men behind Blogging the Boys:
By Greg Fields
The 2007 New York Giants. I used to call them wannabe bullies. They talked a good game but couldn’t back it up.
It started in 2006 at Dallas. They battered and bruised Drew Bledsoe, sacking him time after time. This was the game that introduced their famous hip-hop-inspired, free-throw extension celebration to the nation. They made so many plays in that game it seemed like an NBA exhibition.
Then Tony Romo relieved Bledsoe in the second half and it was more of the same. The Giants just couldn’t stop laughing while picking off passes from Cowboy quarterbacks. It’s “A Christmas Story” all over again and we’re Ralphie Parker and the Giants are Scut Farkus.
Why call the Giants bullies? Well, it was mostly their bruising style. From Brandon Jacobs’s all downhill style of running to Plaxico Burress’s giving forearm shivers to much smaller DBs to Antonio Pierce’s shooting through the gap like a heat-seeking missile, layin’ the wood on running backs to their relentless pass rush, it just seemed like at the end of most games teams were beaten, bruised and demoralized. The 2006 game in Irving reminded me of the Rex Kwon Do demonstration in “Napoleon Dynamite.” The Cowboys were Kip. The Giants were Rex.
The trash talking between both teams probably helped this image. Burress called Terrell Owens a coward. Brandon Jacobs started off the season looking to kick some Cowboy booty. The Giants weren’t just beating the ‘Boys. They were reveling in it.
Then the tide changed. Dallas got the biggest win of the Bill Parcells era in the Meadowlands in 2006. Romo engineered a 23-20 comeback. Jeremy Shockey made plays. Plaxico Burress made plays. The Giants talked big. But on that windy day, the bully got punched in the mouth. And then it continued. This year the Cowboys hung 45 points on the Giants in the opener. The Giants seemed to shrug at the suggestion that they’d been beaten by a better team. We’ll get ‘em next time, they said. Our defense will get better, they said. And it does. Except the Cowboys still hang 31 points on the Giants in East Rutherford. It’s the Romo-T.O. show starring the Giants’ secondary, and it isn’t pretty. Four touchdowns for Romo and two big touchdown grabs for Owens. Ralphie is fighting back. Patrick Crayton — a former third-string receiver! — is taunting, goading and embarrassing the Giant DBs. Owens nonchalantly refers to the Cowboys “swagger” after the game.
The bully — real or imagined — seemed to be dead. Which made the Cowboy regular season victories against the Giants that much sweeter. The Cowboys seemed to embody the young upstart who gets tired of getting pushed around by the neighborhood bully. The bully talks and the young upstart punches him in the mouth. The bully goes home crying.
Funny thing started happening though. The bully started swinging back. The Giants dodged a bullet in Philadelphia with a hard-fought win. Manning engineered an improbable comeback in Chicago. The Giants racked up almost 300 yards rushing in Buffalo. Then they have a knockdown, drag-out with the baddest bully on the block — the New England Patriots.
After three straight victories against the Giants, a Dallas-New York rematch seemed like the best of both worlds to Cowboy fans. Another chance to torture the brash team that won’t shut up. That is, until the Giants found the most opportune time to steal the Cowboys’ lunch money — during the divisional playoff in Irving.
The game starts and you’re waiting for the wannabe bully to crumble and make a mistake. It doesn’t happen. Next thing you know, after a few Marion Barber-inspired punches to the nose, the bully isn’t budging. He’s still talking. But he isn’t going anywhere. Barber had 101 yards by halftime in the playoff game. The bully erased all the momentum in less than a minute. The bully makes T.O. disappear in the second half. The bully is introducing your pretty boy quarterback to the turf. The bully is hitting and hurrying him regularly, putting him on his $67.5-million dollar butt. He walks out of the stadium with a smirk and a victory. You walk out in tears.
Guess the point is, never underestimate a team that talks but can back it up. Beating up a bully once or twice or three times isn’t enough. You have to be ready at all times. Because you never know when he’s going to come back and ask for that lunch money again.
 

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cobra;2947869 said:
His statment was bland.

Those of you who get so pissed off at him talking need to grow the **** up.

Nothing he said is controversial. He was not talking smack.

And he has never lived up to anything? He was an extremely good #2 WR for us 2 years ago on a 13-3 team. And last game, he did great.

So get off the guy's *** already. Quit getting your panties in a wad every time he opens his mouth--even when he says something as innocuous as this.

I swear most of you must be 10 years old, still butt hurt over that one dropped catch. Get over it. Reminds me of my nephew who cries over his dropped ice cream and holds a grudge about it.

*stands up*

:clap2:
 

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cobra;2947869 said:
His statment was bland.

Those of you who get so pissed off at him talking need to grow the **** up.

Nothing he said is controversial. He was not talking smack.

And he has never lived up to anything? He was an extremely good #2 WR for us 2 years ago on a 13-3 team. And last game, he did great.

So get off the guy's *** already. Quit getting your panties in a wad every time he opens his mouth--even when he says something as innocuous as this.

I swear most of you must be 10 years old, still butt hurt over that one dropped catch. Get over it. Reminds me of my nephew who cries over his dropped ice cream and holds a grudge about it.
:bow:
 

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DWhite Fan;2947966 said:
Let them talk! I personally would love to see the rivalry between Dallas and New York have the intensity of Dallas/Washington in the 70s. Lets get some real hostility flowing ;)

With the result of dallas/washington of the early 2000's.
 

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theebs;2948066 said:
Well I am sorry, but again, much like the media you have it backwards.

Its the giants who talk and talk. Not the other way around. I dont remember anyone asking them about backing it up in 03, 06, or in the regular season in 07.

here is a good article about it.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/sometimes-the-bully-wins-in-the-end/

Sometimes the Bully Wins in the End

By The New York TimesOur guest bloggers this week are the men behind Blogging the Boys:
By Greg Fields
The 2007 New York Giants. I used to call them wannabe bullies. They talked a good game but couldn’t back it up.
It started in 2006 at Dallas. They battered and bruised Drew Bledsoe, sacking him time after time. This was the game that introduced their famous hip-hop-inspired, free-throw extension celebration to the nation. They made so many plays in that game it seemed like an NBA exhibition.
Then Tony Romo relieved Bledsoe in the second half and it was more of the same. The Giants just couldn’t stop laughing while picking off passes from Cowboy quarterbacks. It’s “A Christmas Story” all over again and we’re Ralphie Parker and the Giants are Scut Farkus.
Why call the Giants bullies? Well, it was mostly their bruising style. From Brandon Jacobs’s all downhill style of running to Plaxico Burress’s giving forearm shivers to much smaller DBs to Antonio Pierce’s shooting through the gap like a heat-seeking missile, layin’ the wood on running backs to their relentless pass rush, it just seemed like at the end of most games teams were beaten, bruised and demoralized. The 2006 game in Irving reminded me of the Rex Kwon Do demonstration in “Napoleon Dynamite.” The Cowboys were Kip. The Giants were Rex.
The trash talking between both teams probably helped this image. Burress called Terrell Owens a coward. Brandon Jacobs started off the season looking to kick some Cowboy booty. The Giants weren’t just beating the ‘Boys. They were reveling in it.
Then the tide changed. Dallas got the biggest win of the Bill Parcells era in the Meadowlands in 2006. Romo engineered a 23-20 comeback. Jeremy Shockey made plays. Plaxico Burress made plays. The Giants talked big. But on that windy day, the bully got punched in the mouth. And then it continued. This year the Cowboys hung 45 points on the Giants in the opener. The Giants seemed to shrug at the suggestion that they’d been beaten by a better team. We’ll get ‘em next time, they said. Our defense will get better, they said. And it does. Except the Cowboys still hang 31 points on the Giants in East Rutherford. It’s the Romo-T.O. show starring the Giants’ secondary, and it isn’t pretty. Four touchdowns for Romo and two big touchdown grabs for Owens. Ralphie is fighting back. Patrick Crayton — a former third-string receiver! — is taunting, goading and embarrassing the Giant DBs. Owens nonchalantly refers to the Cowboys “swagger” after the game.
The bully — real or imagined — seemed to be dead. Which made the Cowboy regular season victories against the Giants that much sweeter. The Cowboys seemed to embody the young upstart who gets tired of getting pushed around by the neighborhood bully. The bully talks and the young upstart punches him in the mouth. The bully goes home crying.
Funny thing started happening though. The bully started swinging back. The Giants dodged a bullet in Philadelphia with a hard-fought win. Manning engineered an improbable comeback in Chicago. The Giants racked up almost 300 yards rushing in Buffalo. Then they have a knockdown, drag-out with the baddest bully on the block — the New England Patriots.
After three straight victories against the Giants, a Dallas-New York rematch seemed like the best of both worlds to Cowboy fans. Another chance to torture the brash team that won’t shut up. That is, until the Giants found the most opportune time to steal the Cowboys’ lunch money — during the divisional playoff in Irving.
The game starts and you’re waiting for the wannabe bully to crumble and make a mistake. It doesn’t happen. Next thing you know, after a few Marion Barber-inspired punches to the nose, the bully isn’t budging. He’s still talking. But he isn’t going anywhere. Barber had 101 yards by halftime in the playoff game. The bully erased all the momentum in less than a minute. The bully makes T.O. disappear in the second half. The bully is introducing your pretty boy quarterback to the turf. The bully is hitting and hurrying him regularly, putting him on his $67.5-million dollar butt. He walks out of the stadium with a smirk and a victory. You walk out in tears.
Guess the point is, never underestimate a team that talks but can back it up. Beating up a bully once or twice or three times isn’t enough. You have to be ready at all times. Because you never know when he’s going to come back and ask for that lunch money again.

I'm not concerned with the Giants or the NY media I hate seeing our guys getting ripped by the Dallas media. NY players talk allot I don't think anyone would deny that but to me it does not matter to me if the Giants players look like fools for flapping the gums, I hate seeing our guys getting roasted by local media and fans. But hey if you willing to talk the talk back it up or catch hell it is the way it is.
 

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Theebs, don't you think part of that is that their media is more apologetic for the local team than ours is? Theirs seems to prop up their team, while ours looks for flaws. Theirs seems to think the trash talk is cute, while ours bashes our players for it.

And Tuck has been on GAC the last couple of years -- Mosley has buddied up to him -- and he's always been pretty respectful and quiet.

He happened to come on right when I was posting this, and he's the same way this year. He even said Jerry doesn't make the schedule when asked about us opening with them. (Maybe he can tell his idiot teammate Jacobs.)

He did say we and the Eagles are the teams he gets most up for, because they've had the most problems with those two.

Tuck actually seems like a good guy.
 

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lol, why are the people defending him acting like people are coming in here acting like maniacs over what he said?

I simply know that Crayton loves to talk, and after having some career numbers, there was no way he'd go the entire week without saying something.

Saying you don't respect the team you're about to play isn't a big deal, but it sure "ain't nothing".
 

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BAT;2947852 said:
After his game against TB, he is allowed to chirp. Just has to back it up.


Giants love to rub it in his face re those drops he had in the playoffs, I hope it inspires him to bigger and better things.


Yeah. That wasn't bad at all. He didn't say anything that I would be mad at right there. Those comments are much different than his past comments or TV appearances.

Patrick Crayton has redeemed himself (not with play, which is looking great) with his new low key approach and his desire to get better.

He's better now, imo. He looks faster and runs after the catch better.
 

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cobra;2947869 said:
His statment was bland.

Those of you who get so pissed off at him talking need to grow the **** up.

Nothing he said is controversial. He was not talking smack.

And he has never lived up to anything? He was an extremely good #2 WR for us 2 years ago on a 13-3 team. And last game, he did great.

So get off the guy's *** already. Quit getting your panties in a wad every time he opens his mouth--even when he says something as innocuous as this.

I swear most of you must be 10 years old, still butt hurt over that one dropped catch. Get over it. Reminds me of my nephew who cries over his dropped ice cream and holds a grudge about it.

:hammer:
 

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TheCount;2948253 said:
lol, why are the people defending him acting like people are coming in here acting like maniacs over what he said?

I simply know that Crayton loves to talk, and after having some career numbers, there was no way he'd go the entire week without saying something.

Saying you don't respect the team you're about to play isn't a big deal, but it sure "ain't nothing".

He did not say he doesn't respect the Giants. He said he doesn't respect the "chitter chatter" they are famous for. Big difference. People want Crayton to shut up unless he performs on the field. Well, he just had a career-type game and they still want him to shut up. And his comments weren't even inflammatory. The guy can't win.
 
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