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Upshaw prepared for anything

5:50 PM Wed, Feb 20, 2008 | Permalink
Albert Breer


NFLPA Executive Director Gene Upshaw isn't exactly feeling froggy about where the long-standing labor peace the league has enjoyed is going.
In fact, he showed just about zero optimism when looking toward Nov. 8, which is looking more and more like the next watershed moment in the ongoing saga over the current CBA. That's when the owners can opt out of the deal, and it's looking like that's just what they'll do.


"Someone asked me morning, what's the biggest issue, why is this such a problem now?" Upshaw told us. "I said it's very easy. The owners feel as if they're giving the players too much and the players should give some back, so Jerry Jones and (Bob) Kraft and the rest of them can make more money. That's not happening."


The names "Jones" and "Kraft" were accidental, and just as easily could've been "Snyder" and "Lurie". Upshaw's saying what, really, is already known. Big-revenue owners feel the league's version of revenue sharing is simply too generous, and without revenue sharing to this level, it's difficult to have all the teams spending on the level the players want.


"As I told the players this fall, the owners don't like paying the players, but what they really dislike more than anything else is having to share with each other, as part of the revenue sharing," Upshaw says. "That is where the rub comes in. But there's not much we can do about that."



If the owners vote to opt out of the CBA on Nov. 8, then 2010 becomes the final year of the deal. By definition, the final year of this agreement will be an uncapped season There's also a similar option in the CBA on Nov. 8, 2009, that would make 2011 an uncapped season.


So by voting to veto the deal -- something the high-earning owners are looking to do -- the NFL has a de facto deadline of early March 2010 to hammer out a deal with its union, or face the specter of the salary cap going away for good. Because as Upshaw and so many others have said, if the cap goes away for a year, it's gone, period.


At this point, Upshaw says his priority is still to make a deal happen. But he's not real hopeful on that right now.


"I still believe it's going to be difficult to work (the issues) out," Upshaw said. "I have to believe the owners are hellbent for an election to get out of the deal early. They're going to do that, they've boasted about it, they've pounded their chest. ... It's clear in my mind that's where all of this is headed."


Upshaw says all he can do now is educate the players, with de-certification being a primary option and strong source of leverage, on the future.


"We've got time," Upshaw said. "Just because they pull the plug and try to end the deal early doesn't mean it ends the day they do it. It means it will end after the 2010 season. We have time to continue to educate the players, which we will do and we've already started.


"Now, we're gonna have 25 percent new players on every team, so we've got to start over. We're also dealing with a group of players who have never been through a strike, never been through a lockout, and never been through a de-certification. I have my work cut out as far as where I have to spend my time and I have to do it because these are really, really critical issues."
 

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Let them strike. The players make to to much money and its starting to affect the game. We need to make some real changes fast or the game will belike the NBA where a family can't afford to go.
 

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Sandman;1962664 said:
Let them strike. The players make to to much money and its starting to affect the game. We need to make some real changes fast or the game will belike the NBA where a family can't afford to go.


I am all for the players making as much as they can, the careers are short and the game is extremely dangerous.

It would be interesting if the owners all published what they make each season when all is said and done. And I do think they should make a ton too, they take an extreme risk buying the franchises and running them.

I just think it is unfair to say the players do not deserve what they get. This idea that ticket prices are high because of player salaries is silly to me. If the players salaries were cut 50 percent across the board I would imagine none of the teams would lower ticket prices, the owners would just rake in more profit.
 

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THe owners like Jerrah who work their butts off marketing and pushing to make all they can off of their team are pissed at the dunces and lazy bums like Bidwell Benson and Wilson and whoever owns the Bungles. They hate subsiziding them. And meanwhile the bums keep wanting more from the other better owners.
 

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burmafrd;1962994 said:
THe owners like Jerrah who work their butts off marketing and pushing to make all they can off of their team are pissed at the dunces and lazy bums like Bidwell Benson and Wilson and whoever owns the Bungles. They hate subsiziding them. And meanwhile the bums keep wanting more from the other better owners.


Ralph wilson is a very good owner. Its not his fault most of the poplulation of his city has moved and left him in a tough spot selling tickets when the team is not making the playoffs.

I love how people throw ralph wilson into this topic all the time. The guy has been great for the nfl just like the mara family in ny. Calling him a lazy bum is about as ignorant as it gets. Wilson has run his team the same way, what is he supposed to do when other owners go outside the common grounds and bring in their own sponsorships etc. When that stuff started the old owners didnt partake in that. Again its not his fault the population is dwindling there.

Tickets dont sell so fast in DFW either when they are not a playoff caliber team either, sorry to tell you that. Jerry Jones doesnt have to work as hard as guys like wilson do, the cowboys emblem basically sells itself worldwide. That is not to say jerry isnt a tough hard worker because he is, but it is not fair to compare that situation to some other smaller markets.

Now brown and bidwell, they just dont care so I can see that argument but it doesnt work with wilson.
 

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There is enough money for the players and the owners.

Any kind of strike or lockout is unacceptable.

A new labor agreement shouldn't really be that hard to hammer out. The worst part of the entire situation, is this will all come down the something being decided at the last possible second.
 

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I think Wilson does care but I also don't think he uses his full resources. Example, he named the Bills stadium after his father instead of selling the rights to a corporation. Realize he did that in honor of his father but I'm sure that Jerry (who loved his father) choose to do what was best for the Cowboys and will sell the rights. Wilson could have called that stadium Wilson Field and or renamed the road around it in honor of his father. Instead he complains about needing more money from the big city teams. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him.

On the other hand I do applaud his efforts to increase his fan base by playing several games in Ontario. I wouldn't be surprised if within 5 years (or when he no longer owns the Bills) that the team is sold and moved to Ontario. That's makes a heck of more sense then 4 NFL teams travelling to London twice a year to play 2 regular season games.

Brown of the Bengals, Ford of the Lions & a few other NFL teams have owners who don't seem to care what happens to their teams and it shows. Am a little less critical of Bidwill cause in last 1-2 years it seems he might be doing a little better.
 

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I think Wilson does care but I also don't think he uses his full resources. Example, he named the Bills stadium after his father instead of selling the rights to a corporation. Realize he did that in honor of his father but I'm sure that Jerry (who loved his father) choose to do what was best for the Cowboys and will sell the rights. Wilson could have called that stadium Wilson Field and or renamed the road around it in honor of his father. Instead he complains about needing more money from the big city teams. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him.

I am curious why it is wrong not to use corporate naming of the stadium? The bills were a dominant team from 89 to 94. The stadiums name then was Rich Stadium. It held 82,000 fans. He conceded about 10000 seats for luxury suites there because of pressure from new stadiums and other teams installing them. You couldnt get tickets back then. It had the best atmosphere in the entire league.

And aren't most of the posters here having a fit because Jerry is using corporate sponsorship for the new stadium? I personally applaud a guy like wilson for not using it, Places like kansas city and green bay. I wish more places were about the football and less about the corporate nonsense.
 

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Owners should wait them out, these players like the life style they are living and with no pay check coming in Mr. Upshaw may have a very hard time keeping the unity together.
 

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Wilson has whined at each of the meetings about revenue- but besides the stadium there are other ways to get money in and he does not do much. SO yes to me he is a lazy bum.
Bidwell still is a bum as well- he has got a good coach and decent GM now but that does not make HIM any better.
 

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So I take it we need to extend the contracts of future potential free agents before this Nov 8 date or risk not being able to sign them for more than a 2 (3?) year deal?
 

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burmafrd;1963074 said:
Wilson has whined at each of the meetings about revenue- but besides the stadium there are other ways to get money in and he does not do much. SO yes to me he is a lazy bum.
Bidwell still is a bum as well- he has got a good coach and decent GM now but that does not make HIM any better.

lol

Do you know anything about Ralph wilson or do you just judge him on the last two years!!

He is an intrical part of the league and has been more than generous with his money for the league in years past.

I find it funny that a guy as accomplished as Ralph Wilson, a wwII veteran is a lazy bum. I wonder what you will be doing when your 89?
 
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