DMN Blog: What about Cliff Harris?... by way of Mosley

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What about Cliff Harris?
4:35 PM Tue, Feb 03, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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ESPN.com's Matt Mosley wants to make sure Captain Crash doesn't get left out of the conversation about Landry era Cowboys who ought to get serious Hall of Fame consideration.

In an effort to educate the youngsters and entertain the old-timers, I dug into the DMN archives to find a Kevin Sherrington column from a couple years ago about Harris, an All-'70s safety. Follow the jump and enjoy.

The Cowboys never got a better bang for their buck than Cliff Harris.

And bang is probably the word for Captain Crash.

Only six Cowboys - Bob Lilly, Larry Allen, Mel Renfro, Randy White, Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman - played in more Pro Bowls than Harris' six.

All six of the players in front of Harris were first- or second-round draft picks.

Harris? The Cowboys didn't draft him at all. Neither did anyone else.

Twenty-six teams. Seventeen rounds.

Four hundred forty-two players.

On one hand, Harris remembered thinking he'd played so well that he was sure he'd be drafted, especially after Gil Brandt told him they planned on taking him sometime in the first six rounds.

On the other, he didn't realize how infinitesimal the chances were for a skinny safety out of Arkansas' tiny Ouachita Baptist.

Ouachita - WASH-i-tah, is how you say it - was still an NAIA school in Arkadelphia, Ark., not far from where he grew up, when Harris played cornerback and safety there in the late '60s.

Fast and fearless even then, he knocked out receivers just as regularly as he would in the NFL.

Only a handful of teams noticed, though. Brandt was drawn to game film of Harris returning punts for touchdowns. He called Harris and told him their plan.

So the first day of the 1970 draft, Harris holed up in his dorm room with a couple of friends and waited.

And waited.

And waited.

The draft wasn't the overdone extravaganza it is now. No TV or radio coverage.

Occasionally, Harris' phone would ring. Each time it was a friend wanting to know if the Cowboys had called.

The first day came and went. Second day, too.

No phone call.

The Cowboys took Duane Thomas in the first and Charlie Waters and Steve Kiner in the third and John Fitzgerald in the fourth and Pat Toomay in the sixth.

If the Cowboys could hit on that many players now, they wouldn't be a decade waiting on a playoff win.

But Harris wasn't on the list. Disappointed and discouraged, maybe even a little embarrassed, he wasn't too agreeable when the phone rang around midnight.

It was Brandt. The scouting guru wanted to send someone over with a free agent contract.

"Look," Harris told him, according to his book, Captain Crash and the Dallas Cowboys, "don't send anyone here. I'm not going to sign."

The next morning, Harris talked it over with his coach, Buddy Bob Benson, who told him the Cowboys had shown more interest than anyone else. His advice was to reconsider.

Brandt called again a few hours later. Harris took the offer. Not that it seemed promising.

The Cowboys' equipment manager gave him the No. 43. Harris told him someone else was already wearing the number.

"You're not going to make the team anyway, rookie," the equipment manager said.

Harris not only made the team, he was in the starting lineup. Over the next 10 seasons, he would play in five Super Bowls. He was also named to the '70s all-decade team, named a finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame and inducted into the Cowboys Ring of Honor.

Not bad for an undrafted kid out of Arkadelphia.

"Throughout my life," Harris said, "it seemed like I was always behind and trying to catch up. I was accustomed to being the kid they didn't count on.

"I just figured, 'Here we go again.'"

He couldn't imagine the same turn of events now. Neither could Brandt.

Not with scouts combing every campus and parents sending DVDs to coaches, as Harris did with his own sons.

Cliff Harris' David-and-Goliath story? Only Everson Walls comes close in Cowboys history.

"And he didn't go to Ouachita Baptist, either," Harris said.
 

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Good read.

However, just about ever team in the NFL can point to players they feel deserve to be in the Hall Of Fame.

What makes a Hall of Fame exclusive is not the players that are in, but the players that are left out.
 

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I figured I could add Mosley's piece, as well.

Harris deserves to be in Hall
February 3, 2009 4:40 PM


Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

In a blog entry Tuesday, Dallas Morning News columnist Jacques Taylor makes the point that no more Tom Landry-era Cowboys will make the Pro Football Hall of Fame now that Bob Hayes has been voted in.

He thinks that linebacker Chuck Howley and receiver Drew Pearson are the only two others from that era who belong in the Hall. I think safety Cliff Harris is also deserving of the honor. He just missed becoming a finalist in 2004, and he'll have a chance to be nominated by the senior committee.

Harris was a four-time All-Pro and he went to the Pro Bowl six consecutive seasons. He was also named to the All-Decade team for the '70s. He's hurt by the fact that the Hall hasn't been a welcoming place for safeties over the years. But the undrafted player out of Ouachita Baptist University made a huge impact on the game.

And don't forget about Cornell Green. He was a sensational defensive back who never received enough attention. If he'd had decent hands, there's no telling how many interceptions he would've finished with.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2619777 said:
Good read.

However, just about ever team in the NFL can point to players they feel deserve to be in the Hall Of Fame.

What makes a Hall of Fame exclusive is not the players that are in, but the players that are left out.

Lynn Swann is in, Drew Pearson is not

Thats not exclusive, thats stupid
 

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WoodysGirl;2619785 said:
I figured I could add Mosley's piece, as well.

Harris deserves to be in Hall
February 3, 2009 4:40 PM


Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

In a blog entry Tuesday, Dallas Morning News columnist Jacques Taylor makes the point that no more Tom Landry-era Cowboys will make the Pro Football Hall of Fame now that Bob Hayes has been voted in.

He thinks that linebacker Chuck Howley and receiver Drew Pearson are the only two others from that era who belong in the Hall. I think safety Cliff Harris is also deserving of the honor. He just missed becoming a finalist in 2004, and he'll have a chance to be nominated by the senior committee.

Harris was a four-time All-Pro and he went to the Pro Bowl six consecutive seasons. He was also named to the All-Decade team for the '70s. He's hurt by the fact that the Hall hasn't been a welcoming place for safeties over the years. But the undrafted player out of Ouachita Baptist University made a huge impact on the game.

And don't forget about Cornell Green. He was a sensational defensive back who never received enough attention. If he'd had decent hands, there's no telling how many interceptions he would've finished with.

I can live with Niland and Neely not getting in....since it is hard for OL to get into the Hall. However, Howley, Pearson, Harris, and Martin definitely deserve the HOF. I am not sure about Waters. I think he was very good, but Harris was great.
 

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dbair1967;2619805 said:
Lynn Swann is in, Drew Pearson is not

Thats not exclusive, thats stupid

As stated prior, just about every team has justifiable gripes about formers players not being in the Hall of Fame.

Jerry Jones could definately help buttress the argument that Drew Pearson belongs in the Hall of Fame by putting him in the Ring of Honor.

But of course, Jerry Jones would have to let go of his pride for that to happen.

And Drew Pearson not being in the Ring of Honor is not stupid, it is a crime.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2619823 said:
As stated prior, just about every team has justifiable gripes about formers players not being in the Hall of Fame.

Jerry Jones could definately help buttress the argument that Drew Pearson belongs in the Hall of Fame by putting him in the Ring of Honor.

But of course, Jerry Jones would have to let go of his pride for that to happen.

And Drew Pearson not being in the Ring of Honor is not stupid, it is a crime.
Those other team's guys weren't on the NFL's All-Decade team either.
 

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dbair1967;2619805 said:
Lynn Swann is in, Drew Pearson is not

Thats not exclusive, thats stupid
I think Swann deserves it, because he was one of the top players at his position, and he excelled in multiple Super Bowls.

That's how I know Chuck Howley deserves it.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2619823 said:
As stated prior, just about every team has justifiable gripes about formers players not being in the Hall of Fame.

Jerry Jones could definately help buttress the argument that Drew Pearson belongs in the Hall of Fame by putting him in the Ring of Honor.

But of course, Jerry Jones would have to let go of his pride for that to happen.

And Drew Pearson not being in the Ring of Honor is not stupid, it is a crime.
Jerry gets blamed for everything else, why not blame him for Pearson not being in the HOF too?? :rolleyes:
 

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peplaw06;2619857 said:
Jerry gets blamed for everything else, why not blame him for Pearson not being in the HOF too?? :rolleyes:

I never blamed Jerry Jones, I simply pointed out that he could possibly help make a case that Drew Pearson should be in the Hall of Fame by putting him into the Ring of Honor.

In the past, voters have used this excuse to vote against Dallas Cowboys.

A poster will offer up one criticism of a member of the Dallas Cowboys and it gets blown out of proportion.

People are either too sensitive, don't read or can't read.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2619867 said:
I never blamed Jerry Jones, I simply pointed out that he could possibly help make a case that Drew Pearson should be in the Hall of Fame by putting him into the Ring of Honor.

In the past, voters have used this excuse to vote against Dallas Cowboys.

A poster will offer up one criticism of a member of the Dallas Cowboys and it gets blown out of proportion.

People are either too sensitive, don't read or can't read.
So if Jerry has so much influence, why not put everyone in the ring of honor? Then the HOF would be overrun with Cowboys.

Nothing was blown out of proportion... you offered a self-entitled criticism, yet you say you don't blame him? That's rich. You also made a snarky reference to his pride... so what was blown out of proportion?

Not every team has a ring of honor. Trying to use that his absence from the ROH as an excuse for why a guy isn't in the HOF is just another angle on pushing an agenda against someone you don't like.
 

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peplaw06;2619875 said:
So if Jerry has so much influence, why not put everyone in the ring of honor? Then the HOF would be overrun with Cowboys.

Nothing was blown out of proportion... you offered a self-entitled criticism, yet you say you don't blame him? That's rich. You also made a snarky reference to his pride... so what was blown out of proportion?

Not every team has a ring of honor. Trying to use that his absence from the ROH as an excuse for why a guy isn't in the HOF is just another angle on pushing an agenda against someone you don't like.

The portion in bold is just a dumb comment.

Its a well known fact that Drew Pearson and Jerry Jones had a falling out regarding a logo. I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that this is the reason Drew Pearson is not in the Ring of Honor.

Furthermore, I stated that "some" writer's have use the excuse that Player A is not in the Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor to not vote them into the NFL Hall of Fame. This was mentioned because it is a "fact" and not stated to justify their reasoning.

To continue, Drew Pearson is one of my favorite Dallas Cowboys. I have met him on 3 seperate occassions and my family use to live in the same Oak Cliff neighborhood as him. My only "agenda" is to present another side.
 

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percyhoward;2619855 said:
I think Swann deserves it, because he was one of the top players at his position, and he excelled in multiple Super Bowls.

That's how I know Chuck Howley deserves it.

Pearson >>> Swann on the field...more catches, more yards, voted all pro 3 times to Swann's one...more catches and yards in the postseason too

It's absolutely ridiculous that Pearson, Howley and Harris arnt in there, and Harvey Martin should be in too.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2619893 said:
The portion in bold is just a dumb comment.

Its a well known fact that Drew Pearson and Jerry Jones had a falling out regarding a logo. I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that this is the reason Drew Pearson is not in the Ring of Honor.

Furthermore, I stated that "some" writer's have use the excuse that Player A is not in the Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor to not vote them into the NFL Hall of Fame. This was mentioned because it is a "fact" and not stated to justify their reasoning.

To continue, Drew Pearson is one of my favorite Dallas Cowboys. I have met him on 3 seperate occassions and my family use to live in the same Oak Cliff neighborhood as him. My only "agenda" is to present another side.
My comment was intentional to make a point of how asinine your original point is. If Jerry has the influence you purport him to have, then why not use it?

I'm not making any statements as to why Pearson is not in the ROH. But do you have any links to anyone who has stated that they didn't vote for Pearson simply because he isn't in the Cowboys' ROH? And even if you did, the number of voters who hold that and only that against him as the reason have to be few and far between I would imagine. If he's not garnering the 80% now, I seriously doubt that simply inducting him into the ROH would change that. But you go on believing that it's a Jerry vendetta against Pearson keeping him out. I'm sure it's in Jerry's best interest that Pearson NOT make it in.
 

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dbair1967;2619940 said:
Pearson >>> Swann on the field...more catches, more yards, voted all pro 3 times to Swann's one...more catches and yards in the postseason too

It's absolutely ridiculous that Pearson, Howley and Harris arnt in there, and Harvey Martin should be in too.
I'm just saying the argument that puts Swann in should also apply to Howley, because no defensive player ever had two Super Bowls like Howley's.

And there's no way anybody could say Swann was clearly better at his position than Howley was at his.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2619823 said:
As stated prior, just about every team has justifiable gripes about formers players not being in the Hall of Fame.

Jerry Jones could definately help buttress the argument that Drew Pearson belongs in the Hall of Fame by putting him in the Ring of Honor.

But of course, Jerry Jones would have to let go of his pride for that to happen.

And Drew Pearson not being in the Ring of Honor is not stupid, it is a crime.

nice.
 

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Harris and Pearson are both players who should no doubt be in the Hall. Unfortunately for them, drew especially, with Tim Brown, Cris Carter, Jerry Rice, and others coming up, on the horizon, at the WR position I don't think Drew is going to be getting inducted anytime in the near future, and probably never will.
 
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