DMN Blog: What would Rivera do with Roy Williams?

[zrinkill]

About the same time they realize that he's not bad in coverage for a safety.

He is Great in coverage for a strong safety .....

 

[Hostile]

About the same time they realize that he's not bad in coverage for a safety.

Good point.

I do not understand the logic these dim bulbs employ to come up with this. Problems at Safety. So to fix the problems at Safety, take the best Safety you have on the team and move him to a position he has never played.

I think the synapses just don't fire.

 

[ZeroClub]

Roy isnt going to be an OLB

however, Rivera might go back to the old Buddy Ryan playbook from the mid 80's and use RW alot like the Bears used Todd Bell in 83 & 84...

for those who dont know, Bell was a wrecking ball as a safety in the Bears 4-6 defense

That's an interesting thought. It would be cool to see Roy Williams in that role, if the Cowboys could somehow acquire the other pieces that they'd need to make the 46 work.

 

[Echo9]

MacMahon is slowly making the case that he's a complete idiot.

Actually, there was nothing slow about.

edit: looks like just about everyone beat me to it on this one

 

[smarta5150]

Parcells and Zimmer are history and we will finally see the end of the Roy hate during the next season.

 

[Clove]

He will get flattened at times, as does every LINE BAcker in the league, but if you have some big boys up front, more than likely, he would excel to the point where he's a pro bowl LB. His coverage ability as a LB would be superior to the other line backers, and at any point you need to move him to safety, he can just slip right in.

I wouldn't play him full time there, but it would be interesting to slip him in there occasionally, or atleast on obvious passing downs.

 

[AdamJT13]

While June has play making ability like Williams, I've seen June look like (in Texas terms) "an Armadillo on a West Texas Highway" on more than one occasion. There was a reason the Colts were 32nd in the league in rushing defense. Not only where they 32nd in the league, their rushing defense gave up 173 yards a game. 31st in the league was the Rams giving up 145 a game. Thats almost 30 more yards a game than the second worst team!!!

No thank you, you can keep your Cato June "Mini Me" linebacker.

Cato June missed 13 tackles this season, the second-most in the NFL (behind only Sean Taylor's record-breaking 19).

 

[theogt]

Cato June missed 13 tackles this season, the second-most in the NFL (behind only Sean Taylor's record-breaking 19).

Thanks for that little nugget of info.

 

[JBS]

DMN Blog: What would Rivera do with Roy Williams?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Jerry Jones and Ron Rivera discuss Roy Williams during next week's interview, assuming the Bears defensive coordinator gets a chance to state his case for becoming the Cowboys' head coach.

I'll bet that Rivera would want to move Williams to weakside linebacker in his 4-3 scheme.

I'm not trying to jump on the pile of criticism about No. 31's problems in pass coverage. Let's focus on what Williams does well -- create havoc around the line of scrimmage and make big hits. He's the prototype WLB for a "Tampa Two," the scheme popularized by Tony Dungy with the Bucs that the Colts, Bears and a bunch of other teams use.

If you want to see how Williams would fit in the scheme, watch the Colts' Cato June during the Super Bowl. He's 6-0, 227 -- almost the exact same size as Williams -- and played safety at Michigan.

Posted by Tim MacMahon at 2:23 PM

 

[bbgun]

What would Rivera do with Roy Williams?

Same thing they did with Barbaro.

 

[AdamJT13]

[/B]Thanks for that little nugget of info.

I've posted it before. According to STATS, Sean Taylor's 2006 season was abysmal at an unprecedented level.

In the 12 years STATS has been tracking players in pass coverage, Taylor is the first safety to allow 11 touchdown passes in a season and the first safety since 1995 to allow at least 10. He also set the record for missed tackles with 19 -- six more than the next-closest player in the league and almost twice as many as any other safety (Donte Whitner had 10).

So how did he make up for it? With a grand total of two turnovers (one interception and one forced fumble), no sacks, one tackle for loss and a mere seven passes defended, according to STATS (which ranked 29th among safeties, even though he was the 15th-most targeted).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've posted it before. According to STATS, Sean Taylor's 2006 season was abysmal at an unprecedented level.

In the 12 years STATS has been tracking players in pass coverage, Taylor is the first safety to allow 11 touchdown passes in a season and the first safety since 1995 to allow at least 10. He also set the record for missed tackles with 19 -- six more than the next-closest player in the league and almost twice as many as any other safety (Donte Whitner had 10).

So how did he make up for it? With a grand total of two turnovers (one interception and one forced fumble), no sacks, one tackle for loss and a mere seven passes defended, according to STATS (which ranked 29th among safeties, even though he was the 15th-most targeted).

 

[goshan]

You guys crack me up.
Roy is not 'great' in coverage for even a strong safety.
He is not a huge 'havoc creater' at the line of scrimmage either.
Everything is always somewhere in the middle.

I like Roy but its pretty obvious from JJs reaction/comments post season that the GM/coaching wasn't that pleased with his performance -- either scheme caused or not.

 

[theogt]

You guys crack me up.
Roy is not 'great' in coverage for even s safety.
He is not a huge 'havoc creater' at the line of scrimmage either.
Everything is always somewhere in the middle.
I like Roy but its pretty obvious from JJs reaction/comments post season that the GM/coaching wasn't that pleased with his performance -- either scheme caused or not.

Which comments are you talking about? I haven't seen any critical of Roy.

 

[goshan]

ZK said he was Great in coverage for a SS. Absolutely silly.
Someone else said he was a huge Havoc creater at the LOS.
He is neither.
He is a big hitter who makes some good plays who is average at best in coverage. He is good against the run. He is weak at covering the TE in one on one situations. He makes some big plays and causes turnovers.

Net: Net - he is a good player with well defined weaknesses that you have to cover up with schemes.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ZK said he was Great in coverage for a SS. Absolutely silly.
Someone else said he was a huge Havoc creater at the LOS.
He is neither.
He is a big hitter who makes some good plays who is average at best in coverage. He is good against the run. He is weak at covering the TE in one on one situations. He makes some big plays and causes turnovers.

Net: Net - he is a good player with well defined weaknesses that you have to cover up with schemes.

name me one safety that you don't have to protect in coverage w/ at least a pass-rush

 

[goshan]

I didn't say there was a safety you didn't have to protect.
I said saying he is great as a SS coverage safety is silly.
And it is so silly.

 

[hendog]

Same thing they did with Barbaro.

Ride him to the winner's circle?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Same thing they did with Barbaro.

Freeze his seed?

 

[jrumann59]

RW moving to WLB in 4-3 is a pipe dream he would have to put on a lot of upper body bulk thus making him a slow WLB in a 4-3 when you want really fast LB. How bout we see how well he is in coverage when he and the rest of the secondary doesn't have to cover a guy for 45 seconds on every pass play. There is a reason why coaches stress QB protection, the longer the QB can hold the ball the better it is for an offense because the Receivers know where they are going the DBs have to try an anticipate.