News: DMN: Gosselin: Unlike the Cowboys, the Commanders turn tackles into turnovers

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[MichaelWinicki]

You want the prime reason why the Cowboys are 4-11?

This is it.

And next season it could be the opposite with Washington not getting the turnovers and the Cowboys getting a bunch.

 

[CCBoy]

My guess is that Gosselin has never watched Bad Lands, Texas.

 

[itsaboat]

You want the prime reason why the Cowboys are 4-11?

This is it.

And next season it could be the opposite with Washington not getting the turnovers and the Cowboys getting a bunch.

If we had decent quarterback play it wouldn't matter about the turnovers.

 

[perrykemp]

If we had decent quarterback play it wouldn't matter about the turnovers.

Yeah it would.

Decent QB play can get a team to the playoffs.

A great turn-over ratio can win a team a Superbowl.

 

[AdamJT13]

It seems like almost every time our defense has forced a fumble and recovered it, it has been overturned on replay.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If we had decent quarterback play it wouldn't matter about the turnovers.

Sure it would.

Detroit gets decent QB play and they're -9 in turnover differential (and out of the playoffs).

San Diego gets decent QB play and they're -8 in turnover differential (and out of the playoffs).

Atlanta gets decent QB play and they're -6 in turnover differential (and out of the playoffs).


Would better QB play have made some difference for the Cowboys? You bet.

But don't follow the lemmings over the cliff in believing that it was all about the QB's for Dallas causing a 4-11 season.

 

[Alexander]

So, what is the conclusion here?

Darn that bad luck?

 

[CCBoy]

Sure it would.

Detroit gets decent QB play and they're -9 in turnover differential (and out of the playoffs).

San Diego gets decent QB play and they're -8 in turnover differential (and out of the playoffs).

Atlanta gets decent QB play and they're -6 in turnover differential (and out of the playoffs).


Would better QB play have made some difference for the Cowboys? You bet.

But don't follow the lemmings over the cliff in believing that it was all about the QB's for Dallas causing a 4-11 season.

To this fan, Sean Lee is already a great player and a strong plus for the important linebacker group. Another real stud in that positional group would be fine with this fan.

 

[rynochop]

You want the prime reason why the Cowboys are 4-11?

This is it.

And next season it could be the opposite with Washington not getting the turnovers and the Cowboys getting a bunch.

Yep, it's amazing if you look at year to year turnover ratios for teams. Its probably good we are last in TO differential in a lost year, probably be top 10 next year, just...because that's how it goes a lot of times.

Take away Tony and Dez for the season and this stat, I would have had us around 3 or 4 wins

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So, what is the conclusion here?

Darn that bad luck?

Some of it... yeah.

Especially when it comes to fumbles.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yep, it's amazing if you look at year to year turnover ratios for teams. Its probably good we are last in TO differential in a lost year, probably be top 10 next year, just...because that's how it goes a lot of times.

Take away Tony and Dez for the season and this stat, I would have had us around 3 or 4 wins

It is how it goes with turnovers-- especially fumbles. One year a team gets a bunch and the next... considerably less.

It's not like Marinelli and his crew aren't preaching "get turnovers" to his defensive players.

Sometime it just comes down to luck or the lack thereof.

 

[MikeT22]

We've been a really unlucky team most of the last 20 years. Strange.

 

[itsaboat]

Would better QB play have made some difference for the Cowboys? You bet.

Some? It would make all the difference. Our QBs have thrown 18 interceptions and only 11 TDs. If our QBs did not turn the ball over so much we would have won games we lost by only a score. That's why I don't follow people who blame the lack of turnovers on defense. Our defense has played well enough to win while our QBs have done almost nothing to win us games.

 

[cowboys1981]

I think playing our secondary in soft coverage gives the ball carrier/receiver momentum after making a catch uncontested versus a DB jumping on a route and putting a hit on the receiver before the receiver can make a move. I quickly think of DRC's play overall against us this season and Wilcox's big hit that wasn't ruled a fumble on OBJ.

This and some serious bad luck on TOs being overturned as well.

 

[MikeT22]

Some? It would make all the difference. Our QBs have thrown 18 interceptions and only 11 TDs. If our QBs did not turn the ball over so much we would have won games we lost by only a score. That's why I don't follow people who blame the lack of turnovers on defense. Our defense has played well enough to win while our QBs have done almost nothing to win us games.

It could be both the offense turns it over too much and the defense doesn't take it away enough.
Overall the defense did play well but the couldn't get the turnovers and they couldn't get the stop at the end with the game on the line too many times. That's when great defenses shine.

 

[perrykemp]

That's why I don't follow people who blame the lack of turnovers on defense. Our defense has played well enough to win while our QBs have done almost nothing to win us games.

If the Cowboys don't force a turnover this coming week they will go down in history as forcing the fewest turnovers of any defense in NFL history (tied with two other teams).

Think about that minute.

Of the 1200+ or so teams that have played over the past 50 years in the NFL, the Cowboy will be died for dead last -- in the 99.9% percentile or so in forcing turn-overs.

Worse than two teams (Tampa & Detroit) that won 0 games. Worse than 30-40 teams that had 4 wins or less....

I just don't understand how anybody can look at the team's stunning lack of forced turn-overs and wipe it under the rug as "bad luck".

"Bad luck" is ranking in the bottom 5 team in the league in forced-turnovers.

It's much more than just bad luck when you are the absolute, #1, worst team in NFL history at such an important category...

 

[jblaze2004]

crazy we get no turnovers. I though our D coordinator use to preach and had special practices and techniques to stripping the ball and etc. Seems like we don't even try anymore. Is it Garrett not wanting to take the risk with the reward? or did we just change that or was it another coach who use to do that?

 

[perrykemp]

crazy we get no turnovers. I though our D coordinator use to preach and had special practices and techniques to stripping the ball and etc. Seems like we don't even try anymore. Is it Garrett not wanting to take the risk with the reward? or did we just change that or was it another coach who use to do that?

When it comes to DBs, the Cowboys have just cared zero for drafting/aquirring players who have a proven ability to be physical and force fumbles. Forced fumbles aren't based on luck (fumble recoveries are often) -- it based on mainly on talent.

Take a look at the how absolutely pathetic the Cowboy's top 5 DBs were in college forcing fumbles and how that, not shockingly, has carried on right into the pros:

• Guess how many forced fumbles Claiborne has in his 4 year Cowboys career? Just 1.
• Guess how many forced fumbles Claiborne had in his 3 year LSU career. Zero.
• Guess how many forced fumbles Byron Jones has this year? Zero.
• Guess how many forced fumbles Byron Jones had in his 4 year UConn career? Zero.
• Guess how many forced fumbles JJ Wilcox has in his 3 year Cowboys career? Just 1.
• Guess how many times in Barry Church's 6 year career he has had more than 1 forced fumble? Just 1 time.
• Guess how many forced fumbles Brandon Carr has had in his entire 8 year pro career? Just 1.
• Guess how many forced fumbles Scandrick has averaged per season in his 8 year Cowboys career? 0.62 a season.

If you take Carr, Claiborne, Jones, Carr, and Wilcox -- collectively they've forced 9 forced fumbles in their entire collective NFL careers -- spanning 22 years.

On average, the Cowboys DBs have 0.4 forced fumbles per player per year.

I ask you -- is it any surprise that the Cowboys have a very good chance to become the worst defense in the entire history of the NFL in forcing turnovers?

 

[Nova]

Unlike the Cowboys, Washington doesn't have a great draft pick anymore.

Yay, they won the division. Now they'll get bounced early and return to the cellar next year when they realize Cousins is only average (if that), they don't have any exciting young players, and a tougher schedule.

They merely survived this season.