DMN JJT Blog: Ray Lewis wouldn't be the same leader in Dallas

[Doomsday101]

He's not very vocal, from what we've seen. He seems to only converse with the other linebackers as opposed to the entire defense.

How many guys in the league act like Lewis? Ware can be a leader a vocal leader without the rantings of Lewis. Ware is emotional on the field and I think as he has matured both as a person and player he can and will take on that role. Just recently it was Ware saying guys need to put the ego to the side

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

How many guys in the league act like Lewis? Ware can be a leader a vocal leader without the rantings of Lewis. Ware is emotional on the field and I think as he has matured both as a person and player he can and will take on that role. Just recently it was Ware saying guys need to put the ego to the side

Potential leaders and natural born leaders are night and day.

You just dont wake up one day in your mid twenties and decide to be vocal.
It's not your nature to do so. Guys like Ray Lewis and Joey Porter have been that way for along time.

Ware might play with emotion and show it after a sack. But you need someone who lights fire in someone. Ellis, Cupcake or ANYONE ELSE ON THIS TEAM doesnt have it.

The closest is TO and when he does he comes across as selfish so he doesnt count.

 

[Doomsday101]

Potential leaders and natural born leaders are night and day.

You just dont wake up one day in your mid twenties and decide to be vocal.
It's not your nature to do so. Guys like Ray Lewis and Joey Porter have been that way for along time.

Ware might play with emotion and show it after a sack. But you need someone who lights fire in someone. Ellis, Cupcake or ANYONE ELSE ON THIS TEAM doesnt have it.

The closest is TO and when he does he comes across as selfish so he doesnt count.

You don't just take that role, Lewis paid his dues before he became the leader same with any player you establish yourself then you have the right to stand up in the locker room and take charge because you earned the respect of teammates. As for being vocal you don't have to rant and rave to lead by your words

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

You don't just take that role, Lewis paid his dues before he became the leader same with any player you establish yourself then you have the right to stand up in the locker room and take charge because you earned the respect of teammates. As for being vocal you don't have to rant and rave to lead by your words

Understand that Ray paid his dues but its in his nature. He had swagger coming out of school. Played reckless. Sure he paid his dues in the league but he always had it in him. Our guys dont. I dont see ONE natural leader on thsi field.

I know Bill liked College Captains on his team because of their leadership skills ( or supposed). Guys like Burnett and Witten. In Burnett's case, you cant be an effective leader unless you see the field. Thats just the way it is. (and stay healthy of course)

 

[WV Cowboy]

Even though I am tired of getting other teams old retreads, and I am not suggesting we get Ray Lewis.

But if we did, he would command respect the moment he opened the front door at Valley Ranch.

Some of our players would pee their pants in his presence.

Some of our players don't know what "nasty" is.

Ray Lewis is "nasty".

And if "nasty" is staring at you in the huddle, or if "nasty" is screaming at you for messing up in the play that just finished, or if "nasty" is telling you to suck it up and do things you don't think you can, things would change around here.

And if "nasty" just slammed the other teams QB face-first into the ground, or if "nasty" just stood the other teams FB up at the LOS on 4th and inches, others on this team may start to "man-up" for once.

Name the guys on our team that you think are nasty.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Name the guys on our team that you think are nasty.

We dont have one. And that blows.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Name the guys on our team that you think are nasty.

Terrell Owens

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Terrell Owens

And he gets alot of crap from everyone when he does it. Its deemed as cancerous by 75% of this board.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

And he gets alot of crap from everyone when he does it. Its deemed as cancerous by 75% of this board.

I was being sarcastic .

I do agree, the guy is vocal and definately wants to win.

Now how he goes about trying to "win" is very questionable.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I was being sarcastic .

I do agree, the guy is vocal and definately wants to win.

Now how he goes about trying to "win" is very questionable.

Yep... he thinks when he has the ball in his hands we win. And we usually do when he has big games.

 

[TD-33]

Ware comes off as the nice guy yeah but that guy can be very intimidating when he wants. And next year he may wants. It has to start somewhere and who's to say he won't be the guy? Besides, the real problem with lack of leadership isn't defense! It's the offense that is floating around out there.

 

[TheCount]

How many guys in the league act like Lewis? Ware can be a leader a vocal leader without the rantings of Lewis. Ware is emotional on the field and I think as he has matured both as a person and player he can and will take on that role. Just recently it was Ware saying guys need to put the ego to the side

There aren't a lot of Ray's in the league, that's for sure. Ware will probably never be that. I never said he's not a leader on the field, but Ray was born to be Ray. If he was a teacher, he'd rant and rave in the classroom.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Anybody hear what Hugh Douglas said about Ray in the interview DC posted?

He said Lewis is exactly what this team needs and he'd actually be "scared" if we got him because he'd get these guys who do have talent in line and show them how to be professionals.

Scared.

I'm going to say Douglas knows a little more than JJTool.

 

[HanD]

Big difference between a HC and a player. These are grown men not little kids who are going to be wowed by Lewis. You establish leadership it is not a given sorry you don't understand that. Hell if you are talking 1 or 2 years then guys on the team know you are only here as a stop gap and stop gap players are not going to be leaders. I also think we do have a leader in Ware and I think we will see him take on that role as he has earned his stripes in Dallas and players respect him

why don't you stop talking down to people like you are some all knowing god and we are nitwits because of our opinion on a potential player's impact...as for ware, he isn't vocal. if you don't think wade can change, don't expect ware to be vocal all of a sudden. he is a quiet person by nature and you can see that. you don't have to rant and rave on the sideline but you have to know when and how to motivate the team and we don't have anyone on this team capable of doing that. respect is not only earned battling with but also against. respect is the first and fast start to leadership. ray lewis commands and has earned his respect.

For once I agree with JJT. I don't know what some of you guys are thinking, imaging we can just buy leadership. Isn't that was Zach was supposed to do? He's already fed up and wants to be on the next thing smoking out of Dallas.

If we want a leader, we'll have to develop one or draft one. I've said several times that Bradie is as close as we have, the problem is he gets whooped on the field too often to really take it to that next level.

If Ware were more vocal, he'd be perfect. to me, that's the next step he needs to take to be great. The ability to rally the troops even if he isn't getting his.

leaders aren't developed, it's something within you. intangible. and no zach thomas was not brought in for the same thing we are talking about. he was brought in as a veteran who we thought filled a void and was a good example. ray lewis is a MUCH better fit in this scheme playing at 260lbs and is a vocal leader and motivator, not a lead by example, we have enough of those and they aren't doing enough.

Anybody hear what Hugh Douglas said about Ray in the interview DC posted?

He said Lewis is exactly what this team needs and he'd actually be "scared" if we got him because he'd get these guys who do have talent in line and show them how to be professionals.

Scared.

I'm going to say Douglas knows a little more than JJTool.

 

[alancdc]

I think he WOULD earn it within about 5 minutes of his 1st practice.

 

[Doomsday101]

why don't you stop talking down to people like you are some all knowing god and we are nitwits because of our opinion on a potential player's impact...as for ware, he isn't vocal. if you don't think wade can change, don't expect ware to be vocal all of a sudden. he is a quiet person by nature and you can see that. you don't have to rant and rave on the sideline but you have to know when and how to motivate the team and we don't have anyone on this team capable of doing that. respect is not only earned battling with but also against. respect is the first and fast start to leadership. ray lewis commands and has earned his respect.




leaders aren't developed, it's something within you. intangible. and no zach thomas was not brought in for the same thing we are talking about. he was brought in as a veteran who we thought filled a void and was a good example. ray lewis is a MUCH better fit in this scheme playing at 260lbs and is a vocal leader and motivator, not a lead by example, we have enough of those and they aren't doing enough.

Sorry if I disagree with you I'm sure you will get over it.

 

[HanD]

Sorry if I disagree with you I'm sure you will get over it.

i could care less if you disagree with me...and there's nothing to get over...in fact it's usually a good thing judging by your posts...but your tone is rude and lordly. to disagree is fine, we're having a discussion here but to talk down to someone and tell them that they simply "can't get it" like you put it is unnecessary, quite immature and arrogant. get over yourself.

 

[Doomsday101]

i could care less if you disagree with me...and there's nothing to get over...in fact it's usually a good thing judging by your posts...but your tone is rude and lordly. to disagree is fine, we're having a discussion here but to talk down to someone and tell them that they simply "can't get it" like you put it is unnecessary, quite immature and arrogant. get over yourself.

I guess I was wrong you can't get over it, that is your issue not mine. What you want is for everyone to be a sheep and say well Lewis can come here and lead Dallas to the promise land because he is vocal? Sorry you don't have a clue

 

[HanD]

I guess I was wrong you can't get over it, that is your issue not mine. What you want is for everyone to be a sheep and say well Lewis can come here and lead Dallas to the promise land because he is vocal? Sorry you don't have a clue

and again you missed the point and can't read nor comprehend. nice job there.

 

[jazzcat22]

I have been saying this since the Ray Lewis story came up. You earn leadership it is not handed to you and you don't come in day 1 and become a leader. Ray was the leader in Balt because he proved himself on the field in the locker room and in practice but it does not happen overnight. If you get Lewis you do so because you feel his skill level is good enough to help you but given his age this would be a stop gap move nothing more

Right....and you pay a player 30 million to play, not to be just al eader, you want both. I don't think we would get that in Lewis. It's not like hiring a CEO who's going to come in and change things for the better [or hope to].