DMN: New Cowboy Terrell McClain: Rod Marinelli was a huge reason I came to Dallas

[jobberone]

I think it's too early to be projecting who does what although I agree with @xwalker on the best guess now. As for McClain coming out after one down, I wouldn't think that'd be the case. He may rotate out in the nickel some but none of the best rushers are going to always be on the field at the same time all the time on passing downs. I could be wrong and Melton could end up with well over 70% of the snaps. My guess is he won't.

Also keep in mind we often use both our DTs as 3s esp in the nickel. We had some problems with that when we lost our LBers esp Lee as opponents would split the 3s and run thru it. And around it and off the strong side over Selvie. You should see better pressure with better run support assuming we can stay healthy at LBer.

 

[jobberone]

I think the chances of that ride on Lee's health. When you send the blitz out like that you've got to have a smart guy out there to quickly diagnose where he's needed and quickly make the adjustment (whether he's the blitzer or the guy who's closing the hole in coverage).

Man I hope that guy stays healthy. He's such an important dynamic to this defense. I hear so many posters ay that Lee has to step up and be the leader now that Ware is gone. I completely disagree. He's been the leader of this defense since about half way through his rookie season. It's just shows how much character the guy has. That takes a lot of balls for a rookie on a team with guys like Ware and Ratliff on it. He didn't ask for it. He didn't campaign for it. He just took it. I love that guy and hope he plays injury free for a couple of seasons.

Yes, we need strong play at the Mike and the Will.

 

[Vanilla2]

Let's be honest. This guy has 21 tackles and 1 sack in 28 games played. I wouldn't expect much at all... but with Rod you never know.

So any sort of production has to be an added bonus

 

[Vanilla2]

Good point. We need that " plugger" so the others can get to the RB or QB depending on situation/play

That's not what marinelli wants though.

He wants all four up the field.

And a "plugger" doesn't seem to fit the bill.

 

[skinsscalper]

That's not what marinelli wants though.

He wants all four up the field.

And a "plugger" doesn't seem to fit the bill.

Sure it does. Otherwise both DTs would be the 1 tech (and both are in the nickel). Teams still run the ball, bro.

 

[BigStar]

Love this dude's superiority complex. You signed for peanuts so you wouldn't have to? He's with us now, but he almost feels he is a talent being signed early in FA. Gimme a break dude/you would be cut if a rook shows promise

 

[Vanilla2]

Sure it does. Otherwise both DTs would be the 1 tech (and both are in the nickel). Teams still run the ball, bro.

They still want the guy to get upfield no matter the size.

A plugger sounds like a guy who's job is to take up blockers.

They want attackers and they've said as much.

Bro.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think it's too early to be projecting who does what although I agree with @xwalker on the best guess now. As for McClain coming out after one down, I wouldn't think that'd be the case. He may rotate out in the nickel some but none of the best rushers are going to always be on the field at the same time all the time on passing downs. I could be wrong and Melton could end up with well over 70% of the snaps. My guess is he won't.

Also keep in mind we often use both our DTs as 3s esp in the nickel. We had some problems with that when we lost our LBers esp Lee as opponents would split the 3s and run thru it. And around it and off the strong side over Selvie. You should see better pressure with better run support assuming we can stay healthy at LBer.

The one down scenario was more about even if he's strictly a run stopper. Pessimistic view.

 

[jobberone]

The one down scenario was more about even if he's strictly a run stopper. Pessimistic view.

I'm happy to have a plug in the middle although I wouldn't call him a prototypical NT.

 

[skinsscalper]

They still want the guy to get upfield no matter the size.

A plugger sounds like a guy who's job is to take up blockers.

They want attackers and they've said as much.

Bro.

You clearly have no idea of the concept of the two positions. The 1 tech is the guy who positions himself to have a one on one match up (typically by shading himself to the outside shoulder of one of the guards). That leaves the 3 tech to take on the double team of the center and other guard. That guy, typically has to have the bulk to take on the combination block of the other guard and center. That guy typically has to be a plugger to be effective. It also doesn't mutually exclude him from being able to attack up field.



Bro.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'm happy to have a plug in the middle although I wouldn't call him a prototypical NT.

Marinelli doesn't like the prototypical NT.

 

[casmith07]

I don't have any expectations of him, but hopefully he can develop into something good.

 

[jday]

Do most of you favor this guy being here and why or why not? I really don't know him well.

He looks to be an improvement over what we presently have...but that really isn't saying much.

 

[casmith07]

Also someone needs to get on the phone with him and tell him not to worry too much because a dedicated few members of CowboysZone have already deemed him a complete and utter failure.

He should just pack up his bags and go home and don't bother reporting to camp.

 

[BigStar]

Also someone needs to get on the phone with him and tell him not to worry too much because a dedicated few members of CowboysZone have already deemed him a complete and utter failure.

He should just pack up his bags and go home and don't bother reporting to camp.

We do seem to put in more time than the FO I joked about our "ability" to help the team, but why do they seem to follow the trends after the fact? You mean this isn't a science I need school for? Discouraging to say the least...these are normal guys with not all that more info possessed than us fans. What exactly are they seeing that we don't? Not much tbh...but they are paid professionals...every occupation has a racket.

Move Dez around = success. Changing up the OL (forbid?), replacing MIA, run Murray more, Dez as the first option, etc. I will bow down to this coaching prowess? It is a joke that they have coaxed us to believe they have any idea of what they are doing or can't relate our ideas to help the team;ESPECIALLY when they eventually oblige. Why does this team follow our "hints"? Is this forum smarter than the coaching prowess?

Of course we don't know the in and outs, but what directions have they taken (scouts included) that fans couldn't call on? I know this is a taboo topic bc we don't want to believe it is that simple when it really is. You tellin me XWalker/Z, etc couldn't read this? They HAVE been, but yeah, they aren't "qualified" to be read right. This is a big sham (team/talent evaluation).

 

[birdwells1]

Clearly he hasn't been hanging around the CowboysZone.

Or watching the playoffs.

 

[BigStar]

They still want the guy to get upfield no matter the size.

A plugger sounds like a guy who's job is to take up blockers.

They want attackers and they've said as much.

Bro.

I'm a man's man that rushes the passer no matter the play! I is Tarzan looking for Jane

 

[jobberone]

Actually the numbers 1, 3, 5 are based on where the player lines up and not necessarily what their job is. In time the name 3 tech has evolved to be a DT who lines up in the B gap and shoot the gap as the over or under DT in an odd front. This isn't the entire story either as players can move just before or at the snap of the ball or shoot their gap, read and react to the play and/or shoot and hold the gap. Either Bum Phillips and/or Bear Bryant developed that numbering scheme which is still in use today. There are other numbering and lettering systems.

5\4/4i 3\2/2i 1\0/1 2i\2/3 4i\4/5
__T____G___C____G___T

I can't make the above come out exactly right as the even numbers should be heads up on their OL but you get the idea.

We don't run the same defense all the time as they did when Landry invented the concepts of shoot and hold and read and react. So you can't just say a guy is a 3 or a 1 and it be entirely descriptive of their job every play.

 

[pgreptom]

The thing that cracks me up is the posters who claim McCLain and Mincey are crap mostly because they have never heard of them. Sometimes a scheme/coaching change is what it takes to get the best out of some of these players. I'll guarantee you 90% of the average fans had no idea who Jason Hatcher was before last season either. Put him in a scheme that fits his strengths with a coach that gets the best out of him and, VIOLA! Suddenly he's one of the most sought after FAs on the market.

Now that doesn't mean that the same magic is going to happen with McClain and Mincey but it sure as hell doesn't mean that it won't. It's just easier for some to crap on the move than actually give the situation some thought beyond "I've never heard of him and his stats suck so far. He must be awful". Intellectual cowardice as far as I'm concerned. It's easy to sit on the sidelines, google some stat lines, and whine like a *****.

If you didn't know who Jason Hatcher was until last year you probably weren't a semi-serious Cowboy fan. Looking at these guys statistics tell a lot. For instance, Hatcher had 4.5 sacks and 33 tackles in a 3-4 his first two seasons with 0 games started. McClain's first two years consist of 20 games 1 sack 21 tackles with 12 starts..

If you want to have a lovefest with career backups and make laughable guarantees about other players have all it. But "intellectual cowardice"? Puhleeze.

 

[Stryker44]

Ok, so Marinelli was trained by Monte Kiffin. Why does Marinelli get so much acclaim when Kiffin trained him and he is still learning from Kiffin each and every day?