DMN Watkins/Breer: Roy is not going anywhere, but if he were to be gone...

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Another Roy thread, but I thougt this was a good take tht should stand out.

Roy is not going anywhere

10:52 AM Fri, May 09, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Ok, I think everybody knows Roy Williams isn't going to another team. The Cowboys are not going to cut him. So let's stop this Roy Williams needs to go blog posts. They are really stupid.

Now. How can the Cowboys make Roy Williams better? That's a question we want answered. Dave Campo, the secondary coach and Brett Maxie, the safety coach, should help Williams. Jerry Jones, the owner, said Campo will try to help Williams create more turnovers this season. That was something that was missing in his game the last two years.

Williams hasn't been an impact type of player the last two years and there has to be a reason for it.


I spent some extensive time with Williams last year during training camp. We talked about his church, family and football. In someways, that's how he lists his life. He talked about taking a cruise with his family and how he loves singing in the men's choir at church. Does he love football? Yeah he does. But does he love it more than his family? I would say no. Do we love our jobs more than our families? I would bet most of you would say no. And please don't give me he makes millions of dollars a year to play football, so he should love it. Many NFL players will tell you football is more of a business than a pleasure.

Some players list family and friends before football. Greg Ellis, who everybody likes, I think, lists family first over football and yet he's an outstanding player. An impact player.

But back to Williams. I think Williams is tired of the criticism from the media and he believes, the fans are brainwashed into thinking the media is right about his failures in pass coverage. Williams said last year he wants to reach out to as many fans as possible to let them know he can still play this game.

Can he? Yes. Two opposing coaches told me they would take Williams in a minute if he were on the open market. Williams, however, needs to play much better in this 3-4 scheme. He has to study his playbook more, come in much better shape, and attack defenders. The scheme is not the problem. DeMarcus Ware, Ken Hamlin, Anthony Henry and Ellis had no problems with it.

And the defensive coaches need to stop babying him. I thought they did a lot of that last year. Dave Campo is no babysitter and that will probably help Williams more than anything else. Williams needs to be challenged.

If he doesn't respond to the challenge of the coaching staff, he won't be here in 2009.


If Roy were to be gone ...

9:28 AM Fri, May 09, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Timmy yesterday raised the Cowboys' depth at safety, were Roy Williams to find his way out of town. And he did make a valid point, in that there wouldn't be a whole lot.

Here's the cast of safeties the Cowboys carry now ...

 Ken Hamlin
 Roy Williams
 Pat Watkins
 Courtney Brown
 Dowayne Davis

Last year, for most of the year, the Cowboys carried 10 defensive backs - five corners and five safeties. It might be six corners and four safeties in 2008. And only four on this list look like good bets to make the roster, with Davis as the long-shot.

The wild card, as Tim pointed out, might be Anthony Henry, who could move to free safety if needed. So in that case, if Williams is gone, perhaps you keep seven corners: Henry, Terence Newman, Pacman Jones, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, Alan Ball and Evan Oglesby.

Then, you'd have Hamlin and Watkins as your starters, at strong and free safety, respectively. Brown would be your top backup, with Henry having the flexibility to move and the depth there at corner to sustain such a shift.

Is it a perfect situation? No, and it involves taking a leap of faith that Pacman will play. But Watkins was solid, if not spectacular, last year in coverage and Hamlin might benefit some playing on the strong side and taking on a more active role in run support.

It's not ideal, of course, and if the team was trying to dump Roy, it would've been easier to do had the club taken, say, DaJuan Morgan in the second round or even Corey Lynch in the sixth round of the draft. But it's also not unworkable and remember, the Giants won a Super Bowl with James Butler - a big-time liability at the end of the regular season - starting at safety.

The larger issues, of course, are the cap constraints and dead money that such a move would bring.

Ideally, Williams comes back rejuvenated with defensive backs coach Dave Campo helping him regain the form of his younger years. Then again, this won't be Campo's defense. It'll be run by Phillips, a coach who has a long history of getting the very best out of defensive players. And the fact that is his defense, and not Campo's is, apparently, a problem for Roy.
 

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But back to Williams. I think Williams is tired of the criticism from the media and he believes, the fans are brainwashed into thinking the media is right about his failures in pass coverage. Williams said last year he wants to reach out to as many fans as possible to let them know he can still play this game.

The way for Roy to reach out is to make plays. People have been defending Roy for long enough, so for him to think the fans are brain-washed is an excuse. It is always somebody else to Roy. He has to bear some of the responsibility.


Can he? Yes. Two opposing coaches told me they would take Williams in a minute if he were on the open market. Williams, however, needs to play much better in this 3-4 scheme. He has to study his playbook more, come in much better shape, and attack defenders. The scheme is not the problem. DeMarcus Ware, Ken Hamlin, Anthony Henry and Ellis had no problems with it.


Oh, really? Haven't we been saying that...

And the defensive coaches need to stop babying him. I thought they did a lot of that last year. Dave Campo is no babysitter and that will probably help Williams more than anything else. Williams needs to be challenged.

Oh really? Haven't we been saying that...
 

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I don't know ... why is everyone making comparisons with the Giants???
 

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Right, Roy. The media is brainwashing fans. Observant fans clued into Roy's shortcomings long before the media started talking about it.
 

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I hope he gets hungry and aggressve again and has a bounce back year. Just like carpenter I am pulling for him. Somewhere inside those guys lies good football players. I hope they find it and dedicate themselves to it.

I would really like to see roy have a strong season this year.
 

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junk;2076911 said:
Right, Roy. The media is brainwashing fans. Observant fans clued into Roy's shortcomings long before the media started talking about it.

:hammer:

If he really seeks to extend an olive branch to the fans, it is imperative to rid himself of this belief.

Now in fairness to Roy Williams, I would contend that most fans do not know the plays that were called and thus cannot determine whether he was out of position or someone else was.

However, the end result and the musings of opposing OCs is what leaves the indelible mark.
 

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Wasn't Roy saying during Training Camp last season that he would excel under Wade's system because he played more in the box?

I remember early in the season, Roy was sent on countless blitzes and he sorta just ran into the blocker and never really made a move to get passed him.
 

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Jerry Jones, the owner, said Campo will try to help Williams create more turnovers this season. That was something that was missing in his game the last two years.

Turnovers certainly haven't been missing for the past TWO years, considering that two years ago, he led all safeties with seven takeaways and led all starting safeties with five interceptions.
 

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AdamJT13;2076923 said:
Turnovers certainly haven't been missing for the past TWO years, considering that two years ago, he led all safeties with seven takeaways and led all starting safeties with five interceptions.

now adam, you do realize you're messing up an otherwise perfectly good ROY SUCKS thread that we've not had in awhile, right?
 

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iceberg;2076926 said:
now adam, you do realize you're messing up an otherwise perfectly good ROY SUCKS thread that we've not had in awhile, right?
That's OK, there are about 10 others on the forum right now.
 

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iceberg;2076926 said:
now adam, you do realize you're messing up an otherwise perfectly good ROY SUCKS thread that we've not had in awhile, right?

Agreed. Adam should keep his facts to himself and let the wolves have at RW some more. I mean we haven't had a good ole "let's hate on RW" thread in a good while now.

7 days or so? 10 at most?

That's a long time.
 

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AdamJT13;2076923 said:
Turnovers certainly haven't been missing for the past TWO years, considering that two years ago, he led all safeties with seven takeaways and led all starting safeties with five interceptions.
why did you leave out last year?
 

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Rampage;2076951 said:
why did you leave out last year?

because the article said "past TWO years" and he proved one of those years, he indeed had a lot of turnovers.
 

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adamknite;2076958 said:
because the article said "past TWO years" and he proved one of those years, he indeed had a lot of turnovers.

He also had the least amount of tackles in his career, both solo and assists. We played a lot of cover-2 in 2006, so while his numbers for INT may have gone up, big deal. You better garner 5 interceptions in that much cover-2.

Further, his interception against Carolina came in garbage time by a clearly off Jake Delhomme, and his interception against Tampa happened when Tampa put up a whopping 100+ yardage performance with scrubs as QB.

He wasn't making that much of an impact overall.

The fact is, his play has deteriorated and no amount of statistical twisting can change this fact. Roy himself is telling us the big hits will come, and it takes time for him to adjust. The guy even changed his number to signify a new beginning. Greg Ellis has spilled the beans, and even Jerry Jones has made some comments. Dave Campo said he needs to work. Darren Woodson said Roy has problem with his hips. Hell, even the homer of all homers Mickey Spagnola just called him out.
 

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khiladi;2077006 said:
He also had the least amount of tackles in his career, both solo and assists. We played a lot of cover-2 in 2006, so while his numbers for INT may have gone up, big deal. You better garner 5 interceptions in that much cover-2.

Further, his interception against Carolina came in garbage time by a clearly off Jake Delhomme, and his interception against Tampa happened when Tampa put up a whopping 100+ yardage performance with scrubs as QB.

He wasn't making that much of an impact overall.

The fact is, his play has deteriorated and no amount of statistical twisting can change this fact. Roy himself is telling us the big hits will come, and it takes time for him to adjust. The guy even changed his number to signify a new beginning. Greg Ellis has spilled the beans, and even Jerry Jones has made some comments. Dave Campo said he needs to work. Darren Woodson said Roy has problem with his hips. Hell, even the homer of all homers Mickey Spagnola just called him out.

There was still 5 minutes left in that game, plenty of time for Carolina to come back, it was 21 - 14, that's not garbage time.

And the Gradkowski INT was in the first quarter, the game was 7-7, the Bucs had already scored on a big pass and tried it again, this time Roy picked it off.
 

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Who are you going to believe? Your lying eyes or always fairminded, never- complaining Gregg Ellis.

Breer missed Santana Moss' funfest on monday night FB 2 years ago as well.
 

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Two years ago Shaun Alexander was MVP.. 2 years ago is a lifetime in football years.
 

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Im seriously starting to get excited about all of this 'Williams off the team' talk.
 

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khiladi;2077006 said:
He also had the least amount of tackles in his career, both solo and assists.

First of all, that's not correct. Roy had more tackles in 2006 than he had in 2005 or 2003. And secondly, comparing tackle numbers from season to season like that is pointless. Teams run different numbers of plays each season, different numbers of rushing plays and different numbers of completed passes, which means there are widely varying numbers of tackles that are even possible from season to season.

We played a lot of cover-2 in 2006, so while his numbers for INT may have gone up, big deal. You better garner 5 interceptions in that much cover-2.

So why don't more safeties get five interceptions each season?
 
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