Do some fans not even realize how much this franchise has bottomed out?

Ranching said:
I am. My dad used to tell me when I was growing up, tell me who you hang out with, and I'll tell you, who you are. I've been hanging around a bunch if whiners, you've all managed to turn me into one. Difference, I whine about crybabies that i dont give a flip about, you guys whine about the team, that apparently, dictates your happiness.
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My life isnt the Cowboys but this is a Cowboys forum. Theres a difference between unhappiness about the team and real life.
 
rambo2 said:
I think that money is the main thing that most players look at. The Cowboys aren't going to be as bad as Washington was just a year ago when they were drafting at the 2 spot. It's likely that the Cowboys will be healthier than they were last year and could actually have a better year than they did. They could actually improve.
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They better be better. Or that will be the final nail in Jerry’s proverbial coffin. If he can’t win next year he’s likely never going to see another deep playoff run in his life IMO.
 
DuncanIso said:
How else do you build?
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Also use FA to try to fill clear holes.

We use FA to find a bunch of JAGs and hope we get lucky. We had clear holes at the start of FA.

DT, RB, WR, DE, LB and CB. Put them in any order you like.

Which of those positions are you confident we fixed in FA? Or does drafting one of these positions early still make total sense?
 
Sydla said:
They better be better. Or that will be the final nail in Jerry’s proverbial coffin. If he can’t win next year he’s likely never going to see another deep playoff run in his life IMO.
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Go ahead and buy him out upon team football! Waiting on earned respect for the real achievements. You keeping Parsons, owner?
 
KJJ said:
The Cowboys haven’t been nearly as bad since 97 as some fans make them out to be. Someone posted the Cowboys have been the worst organization in the entire league over the past 30 years. :rolleyes: Fans act like the Cowboys have been in the dumpster bringing up the rear in the NFC East practically ever year. The team has been competitive most years they just haven’t had playoff success. We’ve won the NFC East 6 times since 97 and have had 2 number one seeded teams. We’ve had some very successful regular seasons but it hasn’t gone well in the playoffs. Yes, it’s been very disappointing and frustrating not having won a divisional round game or reached a SB in almost 30 years but there’s teams that have had it much worse than the Cowboys over that period.
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the cowboys have been one of the worst post season teams in the NFL. there is absolutely no denying that...and the whole point of competing is not to win your division. or make the playoffs. its to make a run at a championship...and for that, we have to get to CCG first. which we haven't done since 95
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Ask Dante Fowler.

I think the mistake you make and others make is you guys think these guys really care about winning. It’s secondary to money. It’s just reality.

So when you hear guys like Jourdan Lewis and D Law leave…they don’t leave because they want to win. They leave because they want someone to pay them.

Let’s remember Law has signed 3 contracts with this “bottom” franchise. Lewis I believe twice.

What you are seeing is bitter exes. Why? Im sure it’s something simple such as they have raised their family here and now have to uproot them. Let’s not pretend like people don’t play for bad teams. Someone this offseason will sign with the Cleveland Browns.
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This is probably the second biggest debate around here, and it’s mostly semantics.

I don’t think making money is the one and only goal, but it does ultimately come down to money, because they aren’t willing to risk having bad seasons to put enough eggs into one or two seasons to try to win it all within a certain time period.

The problem is that other teams are willing to do that.

They are trying to keep a straight line on a bell curve, and it’s never enough, and isn’t possible anyway since the system itself penalizes success. The last couple of drafts being not so great after a few 12 win seasons is partial evidence.
 
blueblood70 said:
:hammer:They're trying to make this about Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys lack of success and you're 100% right he's had nothing to do with money this had everything to do with them not getting an offer here and then being overpaid to go somewhere else it definitely is about money and it's not about winning there are so many teams that are not winning that sign big time free agents they act like the Cowboys are somehow worse off than I could think of at least 12 or 14 other teams that haven't even won a division recently they don't make the playoffs as often they don't play on prime time they definitely don't get the recognition in the media that the Cowboys do it makes the Cowboys at least relative on some level that makes it worth being here and most of our players stay so now we're trying to use two examples of players we chose not to make offers to who on their way out are now making waves yeah that's pretty normal...

I think it's hilarious that this guy went through that much trouble to write all that and in reality this happening all around the league and we wouldn't have 300 free agents we wouldn't have these hard cuts and these hard choices being made if you look at what San Francisco is going through even the eagles lost like 4-5 key pieces already that they couldn't afford to keep because they look at it as you have to look at their age versus what they can offer going forward versus the amount of money they're being asked to pay those players then they move they're all moving that's just what free agency is all about..

I still don't get how they're using these two examples of players that we didn't make offers to we didn't really offer them any money they were leaving the Cowboys knew they were leaving the Cowboys are not upset they're leaving and I guarantee one thing if you don't offer them that money or something close say within $1,000,000 they would've stayed it absolutely would have stayed all this is happening because their egos were hurt they said some things the players on our team are sticking up for the team and here we are it's pretty normal.
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it ebbs and flows in the NFL. there is absolutely no denying that the cowboys have been one of the absolute worst playoff team in NFL in past 30 years. you may go recent history and pull out a few, but going back further, they had success...we have not been to a CCG in 30 years. since 95. there is only a few teams like that and we are with those bottom feeders like Jags, Browns.

being sucky like 12-14 other teams is a bad precedent. it means you have now settled for being just OK enough, but never really good enough to compete for championships. why compare yourself to those 12-14 teams and not the other 14-16 teams who have been successful..........
 
Ranching said:
That's the right attitude...
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:popcorn: :flagwave: If negative perspectives dominate give it priority and 'control' those presenting the positives, HUH?


bad...bad...bad I think you have something there. :popcorn: :lmao:

I want one more cornerback thrown into the mix...experience to compare up against in this rebuild of leadership, through and through.
 
coult44 said:
They could improve but still won’t make the NFCCG, who cares? . What’s the difference between 2-15 and 7-10? A Higher draft pick for SJ to screw up? The point still remains, three decades and no chances to compete in a SB. Players should leave for more money, and they would have a better chance with 30 other teams every year than they would with the Cowboys.
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So it's ok to wish disgruntled players to leave and berate the team, but it's not ok for 30 years of no playoff success? Which is it? If you truly are upset for the lack of playoff success, you should be wanting to keep your best players. Not encourage them to leave AND berate the team.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
it ebbs and flows in the NFL. there is absolutely no denying that the cowboys have been one of the absolute worst playoff team in NFL in past 30 years. you may go recent history and pull out a few, but going back further, they had success...we have not been to a CCG in 30 years. since 95. there is only a few teams like that and we are with those bottom feeders like Jags, Browns.

being sucky like 12-14 other teams is a bad precedent. it means you have now settled for being just OK enough, but never really good enough to compete for championships. why compare yourself to those 12-14 teams and not the other 14-16 teams who have been successful..........
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Yep, like the guy said, don't focus on all the real actions going on. Yea, actions...put down the process and feel prideful?
 
America's Cowboy said:
So it's ok to wish disgruntled players to leave and berate the team, but it's not ok for 30 years of no playoff success? Which is it? If you truly are upset for the lack of playoff success, you should be wanting to keep your best players. Not encourage them to leave AND berate the team.
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Let's focus your stance: LOSERS! :popcorn:
 
fivetwos said:
This is probably the second biggest debate around here, and it’s mostly semantics.

I don’t think making money is the one and only goal, but it does ultimately come down to money, because they aren’t willing to risk having bad seasons to put enough eggs into one or two seasons to try to win it all within a certain time period.

The problem is that other teams are willing to do that.

They are trying to keep a straight line on a bell curve, and it’s never enough, and isn’t possible anyway since the system itself penalizes success. The last couple of drafts being not so great after a few 12 win seasons is partial evidence.
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I somewhat agree. You bring up a good point. They aren't willing to be bad enough for a long period of time to overhaul this team completely as it should. It's been bad enough to get a new franchise QB on a rookie deal. That's probably a point no one brings up much.

But that being said, there were some ways to properly build this team after a 12 win team.....hell after the 2016 team. And they've not done the right thing once. No team is perfect so I wont' fault them for not having a perfect team but even going back to Romo....what on earth made them think going with Bernadeau and Livings was going to make Romo better? What made them think Zeke and Dowdle would improve the team? Or losing Gilmore and going with Carson a rookie?

This team just handles things completely moronic. And that's what's frustrating.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
I somewhat agree. You bring up a good point. They aren't willing to be bad enough for a long period of time to overhaul this team completely as it should. It's been bad enough to get a new franchise QB on a rookie deal. That's probably a point no one brings up much.

But that being said, there were some ways to properly build this team after a 12 win team.....hell after the 2016 team. And they've not done the right thing once. No team is perfect so I wont' fault them for not having a perfect team but even going back to Romo....what on earth made them think going with Bernadeau and Livings was going to make Romo better? What made them think Zeke and Dowdle would improve the team? Or losing Gilmore and going with Carson a rookie?

This team just handles things completely moronic. And that's what's frustrating.
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Beyond moronic.

What made them unable to see the OL deteriorating before their eyes in 09, and try to address it w/ a 6th round stiffie OL who couldn't even keep his feet? What always makes them think our DT's are good enough when other teams are in the super bowl due to topnotch DT play?

They are so non-football it just reeks.
 
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