do you guys want ricky "the shaman" williams for the league minimum???

[iceberg]

What? Just because you quit, now nobody can do drugs?

i don't care what he does, i don't want his act here in dallas. we're doing too good to log a time bomb into the mix.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We don't even know if Ricky will get re-instated or when that will happen. It could be tomorrow or in two months. If he is reinstated soon, the Dolphins still own his rights. Do you trade to get him? What if they don't release him? The trade deadline is two weeks. How can you make plans to get rid of Julius Jones when you don't even know if/when Ricky is/will be available?

And I don't think that is even the biggest issue with Williams. He has proven to be undependable. He had talent coming out of college and had a huge year a few seasons ago, but that is not enough to off set the negatives he has brought to himself.

As for Julius, I think at the best Dallas will get what they can get out of him this season and then let him walk. I think he is worth more to the team playing this year than any future draft pick. I doubt he would bring anything higher than a 3rd rounder. He has value as a guy sharing the load along with Barber. It is working for Dallas. Why mess that up?

I'll tell ya thou Josee, the Rams are the 29th ranked rushing defense in the NFL. JJ only rushed for 52 yards on 13 carries. That's just not that good. For the season, he's averaging 44 yards a contest with a 3.5 YPC and that's up from last week. He's got 1 TD and 5 catches. That's it. I mean, he's a starting RB in the NFL. He's rushed against two of the worst rush defenses in the NFL and the production is not showing. He's ranked 31st in rushing yards in the league thus far. I've resisted speaking out on JJ because he was a guy that I wanted to draft. A guy I thought could be a pretty good player for us. Honestly thou, he's not getting it done. He can blame Parcells or whomever but the production is just not there IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

i don't care what he does, i don't want his act here in dallas. we're doing too good to log a time bomb into the mix.

Not to mention I would not trade anything to Miami for Williams who has quit on his team in the past right before the season none the less then when he comes back he is once again busted for drugs. If Ricky wants to get high good for him but NFL teams can't afford to deal with a player who they don't know from 1 week to the next if he will still be around. I know Ricky is talking a good game right now but he has done this song and dance before.

 

[Rampage]

maybe if he grew his dreads back cause once he lost them , he's sucked. kinda like if a lion was to lose it's lion's mane

 

[joseephuss]

I'll tell ya thou Josee, the Rams are the 29th ranked rushing defense in the NFL. JJ only rushed for 52 yards on 13 carries. That's just not that good. For the season, he's averaging 44 yards a contest with a 3.5 YPC and that's up from last week. He's got 1 TD and 5 catches. That's it. I mean, he's a starting RB in the NFL. He's rushed against two of the worst rush defenses in the NFL and the production is not showing. He's ranked 31st in rushing yards in the league thus far. I've resisted speaking out on JJ because he was a guy that I wanted to draft. A guy I thought could be a pretty good player for us. Honestly thou, he's not getting it done. He can blame Parcells or whomever but the production is just not there IMO.

But Julius is not the lone back. He is part of a two back system. Maybe it is expectations because I am not expecting him to be a 80 yard per game back. I don't think he is great, but he works for Dallas. That is also why I don't see Dallas trading him this season. They would not get much in return. So he walks at the end of the year. Get what you can out of him. He is good for 1 or 2 big games each year. He hasn't had one yet, so maybe he can save them for an important game.

And I still don't think the O-line is consistently opening up big holes. Even when Barber is back there. People go on and on about how much better Barber is because he breaks tackles and runs with such brute force. A lot of times he has to because there are no holes to run through. That is on the offensive line. Run blocking is the weak spot of the offense right now. They off set that with doing very well in pass protection. It is a trade off for now, but run blocking has to get better to win tough division games later on in the season.

 

[joseephuss]

Something important about Williams. He is a fumbler. Marion and Julius combined for only one fumble last season(I guess I just jinxed them) and 0 so far this season.

Barber
33 games
368 touches
3 fumbles
1 every 11.00 games
1 every 122 touches

Jones
41 games
838 touches
8 fumbles
1 every 5.13 games
1 every 104 touches

Williams
82 games
2003 touches
35 fumbles
1 every 2.34 games
1 every 57 touches

 

[David276]

that would be interesting for league minimum. good story too. he is getting a little older isnt whats his age

 

[Hostile]

I've thought long and hard about this since my initial response and I have altered my opinion just a little bit.

If having Ricky Williams on the team meant we had special privileges like 1st shots at every top notch Free Agent, millions over the cap everyone else has, or an extra day 1 draft pick for every year that he is here (and you know what a Draft junkie I am), I still wouldn't want him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But Julius is not the lone back. He is part of a two back system. Maybe it is expectations because I am not expecting him to be a 80 yard per game back. I don't think he is great, but he works for Dallas. That is also why I don't see Dallas trading him this season. They would not get much in return. So he walks at the end of the year. Get what you can out of him. He is good for 1 or 2 big games each year. He hasn't had one yet, so maybe he can save them for an important game.

And I still don't think the O-line is consistently opening up big holes. Even when Barber is back there. People go on and on about how much better Barber is because he breaks tackles and runs with such brute force. A lot of times he has to because there are no holes to run through. That is on the offensive line. Run blocking is the weak spot of the offense right now. They off set that with doing very well in pass protection. It is a trade off for now, but run blocking has to get better to win tough division games later on in the season.

I don't really see that. Barber is averaging 6.4 YPC. That, to me, does not say that our OL is not opening holes. That, to me, says that Barber is just more productive, plain and smiple. To be honest, it's not even a matter of how many yards Jones is getting. I understand it's a two system backfield but you can't look past his average yards per carry. He's got 5 catches in 4 full games. I understand what you are saying. Your saying, don't rock the boat when it's sailing along on calm water. I'm saying, those waters will not be calm forever and sooner or later, we're going to need a guy who can carry the water a bit better then JJ is showing. JMO

 

[kruss41]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa noooooooooooo

 

[5mics]

would you guys consider ricky williams for the league minimum? he may not help this year, but julius jones probably won't be with us next year, and it is unlikely that cleveland will suck enough to secure the first pick in the draft for us.

if we can get the guy cheap on a 2 or 3 years performance based contract, then i am not sure it is a bad idea. of course, he and marion barber may be too much alike to truly complement each other. michael turner from san diego is better, but he will cost a lot more.


Blasts from the past

Dolphins running back Ricky Williams faxed his reinstatement application to the NFL on Monday, hoping commissioner Roger Goodell clears him to play sooner rather than later.
Williams is said to be in the best mental condition of his career and absolutely wants to resume playing football.
The Dolphins, who hold his rights, have had no contact with Williams for months, a sign that Miami is not interested in bringing him back. But if Miami harbors any hopes of trading Williams –- and there actually could be a small market for his services -– then the league would have to reinstate him by Oct. 16, which is the trade deadline.

Ricky Williams, RB
Career statistics
Games: 82
Att: 1,757
Yds: 7,097
Avg: 4.0
Rush/rec TD: 47/4

If it does not, then Miami likely would release Williams. If Williams were released, he would be free to sign with any team. As a vested veteran –- who happens to still be playing for the rookie minimum –- Williams would have the right to sign where he wants.
Where Williams would land is speculative, at best. He is considered an icon in Texas, and it's possible the Dallas Cowboys could consider visiting with him. Green Bay also needs a running back, and Williams might be an upgrade over some of the Packers' players. And Tampa Bay could be in the market for a running back after losing Cadillac Williams.

I'd definitely bring him in for a workout. If he still has any skills left, I'd sign him for the league minimum. Honestly, I really don't understand ALL the venom towards this guy from this board. He NEVER played for the Cowboys and did not affect this organization in any way prior. To bring him in for a look costs us nothing. IF signed, it would be for the minimum (no cap impact) and would be cut in a NY-minute for any transgression.

Leonard Little is STILL in this league after killing a woman driving drunk then a couple years later, was cited once again for, you guessed it, driving drunk. Williams has hurt no one but himself. IF he truly has turned himself around, why shouldn't he get another chance? It costs us basically nothing.....

 

[Doomsday101]

I'd definitely bring him in for a workout. If he still has any skills left, I'd sign him for the league minimum. Honestly, I really don't understand ALL the venom towards this guy from this board. He NEVER played for the Cowboys and did not affect this organization in any way prior. To bring him in for a look cost us nothing. IF signed, it would be for the minimum (no cap impact) and would be cut in a NY-minute for any transgression.

Leonard Little is STILL in this league after killing a woman driving drunk then a couple years later, was cited once again for, you guessed it, driving drunk. Williams has hurt no one but himself. IF he truly has turned himself around, why shouldn't he get another chance? It cost us basically nothing.....

He is still a member of the Dolphins for 1. 2 he quit on his team walked out the door and left them stuck right before the season. 3 he continues to get in trouble over weed and has shown you can't depend on him and finding that out in the middle of season is not worth the trouble. Lastly he is not that great of a player unless he is getting the 25 carries a game and when he does not get that he gets upset. In Dallas Williams would not get his 25 carries. By the way I don't want Little here either and do not understand why he is brought up in these types of conversations

 

[Kilyin]

true and its sad cause even at 30 he is probably way better than Jules.

:rake:

 

[joseephuss]

I don't really see that. Barber is averaging 6.4 YPC. That, to me, does not say that our OL is not opening holes. That, to me, says that Barber is just more productive, plain and smiple. To be honest, it's not even a matter of how many yards Jones is getting. I understand it's a two system backfield but you can't look past his average yards per carry. He's got 5 catches in 4 full games. I understand what you are saying. Your saying, don't rock the boat when it's sailing along on calm water. I'm saying, those waters will not be calm forever and sooner or later, we're going to need a guy who can carry the water a bit better then JJ is showing. JMO

I also see what you are saying. That will happen next year when Dallas brings in someone to replace JJ. For now the trend will be to just give Barber more carries. I don't see any backs available now that are better than Julius unless you trade for one.

I do think Barber is better, but that doesn't mean the o-line is doing a great job. The run blocking is average at best. Barber's average is also bolstered by two long runs that occurred late in the games against the Dolphins(40) and the Bears(54) when those games were essentially over. He still is doing well(better than Jones) without those runs, but they make his average extremely high.

I am being overly critical here and I know it. The offense is moving the ball and scoring points. I just see the run blocking as something that needs some work no matter who is running the ball.

 

[dbair1967]

i don't care what he does, i don't want his act here in dallas. we're doing too good to log a time bomb into the mix.

totally agree

why do people want garbage like that here? we have a great thing going without him

David

 

[Rack]

totally agree

why do people want garbage like that here? we have a great thing going without him

David

Didn't you refer to TO as "garbage" (or something similiar) before we signed him?

 

[juck]

no, he isnt

David

ricky williams is ten times the running back as julius.especially when he was jules age.

 

[silverblue]

I don't really see that. Barber is averaging 6.4 YPC. That, to me, does not say that our OL is not opening holes. That, to me, says that Barber is just more productive, plain and smiple. To be honest, it's not even a matter of how many yards Jones is getting. I understand it's a two system backfield but you can't look past his average yards per carry. He's got 5 catches in 4 full games. I understand what you are saying. Your saying, don't rock the boat when it's sailing along on calm water. I'm saying, those waters will not be calm forever and sooner or later, we're going to need a guy who can carry the water a bit better then JJ is showing. JMO

You have to look at when each of the backs are running as well. Julius is used primarily early in the game because he is a more disciplined runner and will get the two yards even if that is all that is there and Barber is used later in the game to bash up and finish off the defense with his punishing running style. Believe it or not, Babrber has more runs for no or negative gain than Julius.

So there is a WHOLE lot more to it than YPC. I would much rather have a guy rush 33 times for 3 yards than a guy who rushes 32 times for no yards and once for 99.

 

[Route 66]

Just say no to Mary Jane.

 

[03EBZ06]

Ok, for those who want R. Williams, who do you propose to cut to make a room for him?