Does a Super Bowl get you a bye

[DBOY3141]

Does winning a Super Bowl automatically give you a bye when it comes to media critisism?

All kinds of talk about how Romo can't win in December so he's not a good QB regardless of the stats he puts up. Yet QB's like Peyton/Eli/Ben are gods.

Peyton - an overall losing record in the playoffs, most of the time it's one and done. Last year his 12-4 team, lost to an 8-8 San Diego team. Do we hear about him choking like they talk about Romo vs. the Giants in 2007?

Eli - a .500 record in the playoffs and no wins in the playoffs other than his SB run. His completion percentage and QB rating are awful.

Ben - absolutely had nothing to do with the first SB win, other than manage like Trent Dilfer did for Baltimore. Does that make Dilfer great.


Guys like Marino/Kelly are HOF's and should be, put up great numbers, but didn't win the big one. Marino only went to 1 in 17 years and that was in his 2nd year. But to the media, they do no wrong. What's the difference??

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Ben - absolutely had nothing to do with the first SB win, other than manage like Trent Dilfer did for Baltimore. Does that make Dilfer great.

He didn't even manage it like Trent Dilfer did. He was absolutely terrible in the Super Bowl.

He was 9 of 21 123 yards 0 TD 2 Int for a nice rating of 22.6. Yet, after that game, he gets a free pass. It blows my mind. Now, he did play much better this last Super Bowl, but he was getting a free pass before that.

 

[casmith07]

He didn't even manage it like Trent Dilfer did. He was absolutely terrible in the Super Bowl.

He was 9 of 21 123 yards 0 TD 2 Int for a nice rating of 22.6. Yet, after that game, he gets a free pass. It blows my mind. Now, he did play much better this last Super Bowl, but he was getting a free pass before that.

Worst rating for a winning quarterback in the history of the Super Bowl.

 

[Rampage]

Worst rating for a winning quarterback in the history of the Super Bowl.

what was Ben fattenburger's qb rating when the stealers and the refs beat the seahawks?

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

what was Ben fattenburger's qb rating when the stealers and the refs beat the seahawks?

It was 22.6

 

[Rampage]

It was 22.6

:laugh2: my bad I skimmed through it and thought that rating was for someone else

 

[big dog cowboy]

Winning a super bowl does earn you a bye. That seems like all it takes with todays media.

 

[THUMPER]

Does winning a Super Bowl automatically give you a bye when it comes to media critisism?

All kinds of talk about how Romo can't win in December so he's not a good QB regardless of the stats he puts up. Yet QB's like Peyton/Eli/Ben are gods.

Peyton - an overall losing record in the playoffs, most of the time it's one and done. Last year his 12-4 team, lost to an 8-8 San Diego team. Do we hear about him choking like they talk about Romo vs. the Giants in 2007?

Eli - a .500 record in the playoffs and no wins in the playoffs other than his SB run. His completion percentage and QB rating are awful.

Ben - absolutely had nothing to do with the first SB win, other than manage like Trent Dilfer did for Baltimore. Does that make Dilfer great.


Guys like Marino/Kelly are HOF's and should be, put up great numbers, but didn't win the big one. Marino only went to 1 in 17 years and that was in his 2nd year. But to the media, they do no wrong. What's the difference??

Drew Brees hasn't won anything and they treat him like a god. He puts up a lot of numbers, but statistically, he is not as good as Romo. He has won ONE playoff game in his 7 seasons as a starter and lost 2. In 7 years he has only taken his team to the playoffs twice. He is a very good QB but essentially he just throws the ball a million times.

 

[DBOY3141]

Drew Brees hasn't won anything and they treat him like a god. He puts up a lot of numbers, but statistically, he is not as good as Romo. He has won ONE playoff game in his 7 seasons as a starter and lost 2. In 7 years he has only taken his team to the playoffs twice. He is a very good QB but essentially he just throws the ball a million times.

Very true, forgot about Brees.

 

[casmith07]

Drew Brees hasn't won anything and they treat him like a god. He puts up a lot of numbers, but statistically, he is not as good as Romo. He has won ONE playoff game in his 7 seasons as a starter and lost 2. In 7 years he has only taken his team to the playoffs twice. He is a very good QB but essentially he just throws the ball a million times.

Well, fantasy weenies love him because of stats.

When it comes to the vast majority of fans that don't really understand the game (with ANY sport) there are two things that they use to attempt to quantify players against eachother:

- Championships Won
- Stats

The only problem comes as listed above in your post as well as another...what about Brad Johnson? Is he better than Dan Marino? Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl and Marino didn't. Also, Trent Dilfer. He must also be better than Dan Marino because he won a Super Bowl.

Fans will then typically try to attempt to backtrack and claim that stats do in fact matter and it's not all about championships, but then when you try to compare a player (usually coincidentally on the Cowboys) to a Dilfer, Roethlisberger or even Eli Manning, you get the "well, Romo hasn't won a playoff game yet" excuse.

It's definitely flawed logic. I can't think of the type, as my LSAT days have passed me, but I know I'd be able to pick out the credited response if it were an LSAT question

 

[DFWJC]

I know the bottom line is the title, but you are dead on as far as the double standards. Big Ben gets very pass there is but I have to agree he has become a gamer. He's overrated, but he is pretty good--an ifinitely better than he was his rookie super bowl year.

Elway and Marino were on similar treks until Elway got a great running game in Denver to put him over the top just in time before retiring. It very easily could have gone the other way as it did for Jim Kelly and others.

This, to some degree, also works with coaches. One coach "can't win the big one" after his kicker misses a field goal by inches to lose the SB. The other coach--who did nothing to make that kciker miss by inches--all of a sudden is a genious.

 

[THUMPER]

Well, fantasy weenies love him because of stats.

When it comes to the vast majority of fans that don't really understand the game (with ANY sport) there are two things that they use to attempt to quantify players against eachother:

- Championships Won
- Stats

The only problem comes as listed above in your post as well as another...what about Brad Johnson? Is he better than Dan Marino? Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl and Marino didn't. Also, Trent Dilfer. He must also be better than Dan Marino because he won a Super Bowl.

Fans will then typically try to attempt to backtrack and claim that stats do in fact matter and it's not all about championships, but then when you try to compare a player (usually coincidentally on the Cowboys) to a Dilfer, Roethlisberger or even Eli Manning, you get the "well, Romo hasn't won a playoff game yet" excuse.

It's definitely flawed logic. I can't think of the type, as my LSAT days have passed me, but I know I'd be able to pick out the credited response if it were an LSAT question

I can deal with it when it is from fans of other teams but when it is Cowboys fans who pull this crap it really pisses me off. Romo is the best QB we've had around here in a LONG time and all some of these nimrods can do is complain because the TEAM doesn't play well in December and January and blame it on Romo.

The bottom line is this, if Romo continues to play at the level he has been so far he will hold every Cowboys passing record and end his career as one of, if not THE, top rated passer in NFL history. The guy is amazingly good and makes big plays look easy.

Last year some of these mutants said they would trade Romo for Cutler and throw in a high draft pick to boot. Freakin Cutler! Don't these people watch the games? I guess they just watch BSPN and go by whatever the talking heads there say about our team. I'm watching the games and I see a great QB wearing a star on his helmet making big play after big play, escaping the passrush and hitting receivers downfield.

I've been watching football for over 45 years now and I can say without reservation that Romo is one of the top-10 guys I've ever seen play QB in the NFL. He has that kind of talent. yes, he needs to continue it for a few more years to be considered as one of the greatest ever but I see no reason to think that he will slow down anytime soon and in fact I expect him to have his best season yet in 2009!

 

[casmith07]

Mutants? LOL...that's one of the best descriptors I've seen on an online forum in the history of the internets

I award you a perfect score of 10/10, sir!

 

[THUMPER]

I know the bottom line is the title, but you are dead on as far as the double standards. Big Ben gets very pass there is but I have to agree he has become a gamer. He's overrated, but he is pretty good--an ifinitely better than he was his rookie super bowl year.

Elway and Marino were on similar treks until Elway got a great running game in Denver to put him over the top just in time before retiring. It very easily could have gone the other way as it did for Jim Kelly and others.

This, to some degree, also works with coaches. One coach "can't win the big one" after his kicker misses a field goal by inches to lose the SB. The other coach--who did nothing to make that kciker miss by inches--all of a sudden is a genious.

You are exactly right. For years Landry was considered a weak coach because he "couldn't win the big one". HA! Say it with me people: "20 CONSECUTIVE WINNING SEASONS!" No one else ever did that. Lombardi never did that. Paul Brown and Bill Walsh came close but couldn't do it.

Marv Levy sucks because he couldn't win the big one. No he only took his team to the big dance 4 straight times. Is it his fault Scott Freakin Norwood choked? It's not Levy's fault that he ran into one of the greatest teams ever, TWICE, and got squashed. He did his job and did it very well. Norwood hits that FG and Levy is a winner! He missed so somehow Levy is a choker.

It is this all-or-nothing mentality that some people that really ticks me off. How do they that way?

 

[THUMPER]

Mutants? LOL...that's one of the best descriptors I've seen on an online forum in the history of the internets

I award you a perfect score of 10/10, sir!

Thanks.

I attribute their cranial mutation to spending too much time in the basement playing "World Of Warcraft" until their step-dad kicked them out of the house.

 

[Switz]

Big ben even though he has a awful superbowl game in 05 was very much the reason the steelers won 3 games all on the road before they got to superbowl XL. He also made a HUGE tackle vs indy to save the game for the steelers in that season after Jerome Bettis fumble at the goaline that would have iced the game.

Ben is 8-2 in the playoffs. two time superbowl champ and was in only his second season with a 22 QB rating yes very bad but they still won the game in the end he cost them nothing. I would also say last years superbowl that last drive was all Ben. The steelers oline was awful. if he was not such a play maker they lose that game no question.