Does anybody know the answer?

[CM Duck]

Who was the head coach when the skins beat us by 27?

Joe Buck and Troy kept bringing it up, but I didn't catch the date of that game.


I asked this question in a post from another thread, but nobody has answered it.

If I had to guess I'd say it was either Switzer or Gailey.

 

[AdamJT13]

We lost 41-14 in 1986, so the coach was Tom Landry. We were 7-4 at the time, but that was the first of five straight losses to end the season -- four of them by at least two touchdowns.

 

[Rack]

We lost 41-14 in 1986, so the coach was Tom Landry. We were 7-4 at the time, but that was the first of five straight losses to end the season -- four of them by at least two touchdowns.

Isn't that the year we started off like 6-2, then Danny White broke his wrist and we only won one game the rest of the season?

 

[Cbz40]

1986 Dallas Cowboys

Regular Season
Week 1 Sep 8 W 31-28 vs New York Giants
Week 2 Sep 14 W 31-7 at Detroit Lions
Week 3 Sep 21 L 37-35 vs Atlanta Falcons
Week 4 Sep 29 W 31-7 at St. Louis Cardinals
Week 5 Oct 5 L 29-14 at Denver Broncos
Week 6 Oct 12 W 30-6 vs Washington Commanders
Week 7 Oct 19 W 17-14 at Philadelphia Eagles
Week 8 Oct 26 W 37-6 vs St. Louis Cardinals
Week 9 Nov 2 L 17-14 at New York Giants
Week 10 Nov 9 L 17-13 vs Los Angeles Raiders
Week 11 Nov 16 W 24-21 at San Diego Chargers
Week 12 Nov 23 L 41-14 at Washington Commanders
Week 13 Nov 27 L 31-14 vs Seattle Seahawks
Week 14 Dec 7 L 29-10 at Los Angeles Rams
Week 15 Dec 14 L 23-21 vs Philadelphia Eagles
Week 16 Dec 21 L 24-10 vs Chicago Bears

 

[CM Duck]

We lost 41-14 in 1986, so the coach was Tom Landry. We were 7-4 at the time, but that was the first of five straight losses to end the season -- four of them by at least two touchdowns.

and how many of you guys were calling for Coach Landry's head after that game? You know, like some of you are doing for Parcells?

Understand where I am trying to go with that question?

You guys were signing Tuna's praises when we whupped the eagles like the skins whupped us the other day.

I know Bill hasn't done nearly as much for this franchise as Coach Landry has, and never will. But he too is a great coach.

 

[BoysFanInAustin]

Also lost 37-10 at the end of the 1996 season. Last game at RFK. Switzer was the coach.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

and how many of you guys were calling for Coach Landry's head after that game? You know, like some of you are doing for Parcells?

Understand where I am trying to go with that question?

You guys were signing Tuna's praises when we whupped the eagles like the skins whupped us the other day.

I know Bill hasn't done nearly as much for this franchise as Coach Landry has, and never will. But he too is a great coach.

Problem with that theory was that alot of people were calling for Landry's head alot in the late 80s.

I am not too strong on the Landry Era of the 80s, so I dont really know if Poor drafting hurt him or he was in a downturn in his great coaching career or both.

- Mike G.

 

[Alexander]

Problem with that theory was that alot of people were calling for Landry's head alot in the late 80s.

I am not too strong on the Landry Era of the 80s, so I dont really know if Poor drafting hurt him or he was in a downturn in his great coaching career or both.

- Mike G.

The poor drafting did him in.

If you go back and look at the drafts we had after the Dirty Dozen, we had exactly 21 of what I consider starting quality picks out of 182 total players selected.

1976 - Aaron Kyle, Butch Johnson, Tom Rafferty
1977 - Tony Dorsett, Tony Hill, Jim Cooper
1978 - Dennis Thurman
1979 - Doug Cosbie, Ron Springs
1980 - Timmy Newsome
1981 - Ron Fellows
1982 - None (sorry, I cannot count Phil Pozderac or Jeff Rohrer)
1983 - Jim Jeffcoat
1984 - Eugene Lockhart
1985 - Herschel Walker
1986 - Mike Sherrard
1987 - Danny Noonan, Kelvin Martin, Kevin Gogan
1988 - Michael Irvin, Ken Norton, Chad Hennings

That is a hit percentage of less than 12 percent!

So whenever someone calls Gil Brandt a draft genius, remember this. What those teams did was capitalize on undrafted free agents like Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris. But Gil and company were not whizzes in the War Room.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

The poor drafting did him in.

If you go back and look at the drafts we had after the Dirty Dozen, we had exactly 21 of what I consider starting quality picks out of 182 total players selected.

1976 - Aaron Kyle, Butch Johnson, Tom Rafferty
1977 - Tony Dorsett, Tony Hill, Jim Cooper
1978 - Dennis Thurman
1979 - Doug Cosbie, Ron Springs
1980 - Timmy Newsome
1981 - Ron Fellows
1982 - None (sorry, I cannot count Phil Pozderac or Jeff Rohrer)
1983 - Jim Jeffcoat
1984 - Eugene Lockhart
1985 - Herschel Walker
1986 - Mike Sherrard
1987 - Danny Noonan, Kelvin Martin, Kevin Gogan
1988 - Michael Irvin, Ken Norton, Chad Hennings

That is a hit percentage of less than 12 percent!

So whenever someone calls Gil Brandt a draft genius, remember this. What those teams did was capitalize on undrafted free agents like Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris. But Gil and company were not whizzes in the War Room.

Passed up on some pretty good guys during that time too. John Taylor and Mike Singletary come to mind.

A book I read about the Boys a year ago got Mel Renfro's take on the drafting. He said that Brandt and Landry would ask him what he thought about a player AFTER they were drafted .

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yep, in the 60s and 70s the Cowboys had the edge because of Brandt's personal relationship network he built with the coaches, his booklets he sent around to all the college coaches every year getting them to spill the beans about unknown players, and using computers.

I think once other teams figured this stuff out, we lost the edge and had to really do some work to get quality players in.

- Mike G.

 

[Alexander]

Yep, in the 60s and 70s the Cowboys had the edge because of Brandt's personal relationship network he built with the coaches, his booklets he sent around to all the college coaches every year getting them to spill the beans about unknown players, and using computers.

I think once other teams figured this stuff out, we lost the edge and had to really do some work to get quality players in.

- Mike G.

We also were masters at swindling other teams out of draft choices for our mediocre backups. That way we stockpiled choices. One year we had 21 picks (but sadly only hit on three draft choices to make the team). But after the Craig Morton trade that netted us Randy White and the ripoff of the Seahawks for Tony Dorsett, I think everyone wised up and wouldn't trade any more.

 

[Sarge]

and how many of you guys were calling for Coach Landry's head after that game? You know, like some of you are doing for Parcells?

Understand where I am trying to go with that question?

You guys were signing Tuna's praises when we whupped the eagles like the skins whupped us the other day.

I know Bill hasn't done nearly as much for this franchise as Coach Landry has, and never will. But he too is a great coach.

Yep, and should we beat Carolina and somehow get in the playoffs you won't hear from these hucklberrys until the next loss. It's been that way around here for years. You just have learn who the " 'berrys" are.

 

[lspain1]

So Sarge, exactly how much money are you betting on the Cowboys charging forcefully into the playoffs?

 

[Juke99]

and how many of you guys were calling for Coach Landry's head after that game? You know, like some of you are doing for Parcells?

Understand where I am trying to go with that question?

You guys were signing Tuna's praises when we whupped the eagles like the skins whupped us the other day.

I know Bill hasn't done nearly as much for this franchise as Coach Landry has, and never will. But he too is a great coach.

This is getting pretty tiresome...

Different era

Different roster

Different coach

There's no comparison.

In fact, that team was on FIRE until White went down.

Now, to answer...No, I wasn't calling for Landry's dismissal.

Parcells, I've been saying that he's stunk it up around here for two seasons...

Ya know, I really don't understand why his supporters use a double standard when it comes to evaluating his performance. By his OWN two measures, "You are what your record says you are" He's 24-23...mediocre.

"NO matter what you've done in the past, at some point you have to prove you can still get the job done."

He makes $5 million per season...So far, a bad return on the investment.

 

[Sarge]

So Sarge, exactly how much money are you betting on the Cowboys charging forcefully into the playoffs?

None why?

 

[THUMPER]

I never called for Landry's head, even after the 3-13 1988 season.

I'm not calling for Parcells' head now but I have been after replacing Zimmer from when he was the DB coach. He stunk then and he stinks even worse as the DC. Payton is right behind him too.

I am thrilled with the changes Parcells has brought to this team in terms of the character of the players and the talent on defense. I am NOT thrilled with his choices for assistant coaches though nor with some of his offensive draft picks, particularly on the O-Line.

I think Parcells is too old to be an effective game-day coach. He plays scared, plays "not-to-lose" rather than playing to win. He seems afraid to take chances yet when we do we have done pretty well.

Just like most people, we become more cautious as we get older and Bill is no exception. He has become mired in conservatism and sticks with his ball-control game plan no matter what.

Parcells has never been an innovator, he is more like Lombardi in that he will run the same plays over and over again and rely on execution rather than innovation. That works well when you have a solid veteran team but that is not who we have and in fact it is almost impossible to build in these days of Free Agency and the Salary Cap.

I'm not calling for Bill's head but I do look forward to the day we hire his replacement and hopefully it won't be Zimmer or Payton.

 

[Eddie]

I never called for Landry's head. Maybe because he was the only HC the team had ever had, and that holds a special place.

Even after teh 3-13 season, I expected us to turn things around. We had the #1 pick in the draft and everyone (but Mel Kiper) knew we were going to take Troy Aikman.

Our late 80's teams weren't terrible ... probably better than the records suggested. But Hogeboom and Pelluer just couldn't cut it at QB.

We needed abit of an overhaul, but I think Landry could have turned things around.

But that's hindsight.

 

[CM Duck]

Parcells, I've been saying that he's stunk it up around here for two seasons...

I'm curious, since I have only been on this forum for about one year. What were you saying 3 years ago? The year his coaching helped take the team to the playoffs. Was he stinking it up then?

 

[CM Duck]

Yep, and should we beat Carolina and somehow get in the playoffs you won't hear from these hucklberrys until the next loss. It's been that way around here for years. You just have learn who the " 'berrys" are.

I have noticed this Sarge. Is it just me, or does it seem as if alot of these "berrys" look forward more to a lose instead of a win?

 

[TunaFan33]

Isn't that the year we started off like 6-2, then Danny White broke his wrist and we only won one game the rest of the season?

Yeah-Gare Hogeboom also got injured, which left us with Steve Pelluer for the second half.

One side makes me think that these QB injuries put the nail in our coffin(at this 1/2 pt, it looked like we were Super Bowl-driven). However-it was just one disaster season all-together where pretty much everyone(from the coaches to the players) was at fault.

There's always teams like this every year that pull a Saints-second half collapse, and it just makes you sick to your stomach.

If our current collapse continues-my gut tells me Jerry's gonna clean house.