Does anybody remember the 2 1st rounders for Galloway trade?

[LarryCanadian]

In the same theme as the other post regarding Irvin and Smith, doesn't anyone remember how devastating it was not to have 2 1st rounders due to trading them away for another player. Galloway was and is a good player who got hurt for us right away.

It destroyed our rebuilding/competitiveness not having a chance at a couple of young guys.

Now Washington tried for a couple WR's with a 1st and a 3rd, and that wasn't enough. What are we going to do, spend 2 1sts again.

Man the crying is barely over since the Galloway trade, and now we are trying to do it all over again?

Anyway, wait till Roy is total FA next year. He wants to play in Dallas.

LarryCanadian

 

[speedkilz88]

Wheeler-dealer Jerry picked up an extra 3rd and an extra 4th round pick in next years draft. So they are in position to offer up a package of picks and still have enough of our own to not be totally left out of the draft. Nobody plans on giving up two #1s.

 

[Eskimo]

In the same theme as the other post regarding Irvin and Smith, doesn't anyone remember how devastating it was not to have 2 1st rounders due to trading them away for another player. Galloway was and is a good player who got hurt for us right away.

It destroyed our rebuilding/competitiveness not having a chance at a couple of young guys.

Now Washington tried for a couple WR's with a 1st and a 3rd, and that wasn't enough. What are we going to do, spend 2 1sts again.

Man the crying is barely over since the Galloway trade, and now we are trying to do it all over again?

Anyway, wait till Roy is total FA next year. He wants to play in Dallas.

LarryCanadian

A couple of things to consider here are that when we signed Galloway it was one last kick at the can while we still had Emmitt and Troy. Unfortunately, Galloway got injured and then Troy got injured and the team was quite bad so the picks ended up being quite high. They netted Seattle Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson.

Right now if we did a similar deal we could expect the picks to be a fair bit lower. I still would be hesitant to pull the trigger on a franchised WR. I would try to get the price down to a single second rounder. If TO looks strong, the better option is probably just to extend him while we try to develop an in-house #1 WR for the future.

 

[CF74]

Yeah I'd also like to know who those 2 players were that we gave up for Galloway...

Anyone?

Buehler?

 

[Eskimo]

Yeah I'd also like to know who those 2 players were that we gave up for Galloway...

Anyone?

Buehler?

Ended up being Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson (I think Seattle actually traded back with SF with our pick. SF drafted Andre Carter). As much as Alexander sucks right now, he was a pretty good back for quite a few years. Carter is with the Commanders now and not quite as explosive a pass rusher as when he first entered the league. Robinson had one really good year as a WR but then the wheels fell off with alcohol problems. He is still in the league (?GB) but I think he is mostly returning kickoffs these days.

 

[LarryCanadian]

My point is that posters keep saying trade for Chad Johnson, Boldin, or Roy Williams. If teams turned down Washington who offered a 1st and 3rd, why the heck would they take less from the Cowboys. Rumor was Washington offered more than 1 team that trade, although I'veonly read Cinci.

I would maybe give up a 1 for Roy Williams, because he's still relatively young, AND he's proven, but I wouldn't give 2 1's for Ocho Cinquo, and I'm not sure on Boldin (is he big enough to be impact guy?).

I agree that Jones was shrewd in getting extra 3 and 4 next year and he's giving himself flexibility to move or trade (maybe even this year still), but again, 2 1sts is an awful lot. Don't want to see it happen again.

Many people seem to think we need that WR no matter what the price. I'm happy we didn't do the Galloway thing again.

Larry

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree given the situation in Dallas that the Galloway deal was not good for us. Dallas was getting much older and needed the draft picks to bring in young players. This team is not in the same situation and I don't think a trade with Det for RW would have the same negitive effect

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yeah I'd also like to know who those 2 players were that we gave up for Galloway...

Anyone?

Buehler?

I remember someone mentioning that Shaun Alexander was one of the picks.

HEY! We can have him back now for almost nothing

 

[adamknite]

I remember someone mentioning that Shaun Alexander was one of the picks.

HEY! We can have him back now for almost nothing

by "someone" do you mean Eskimo who posted it was Alexander and Robinson a couple of posts (and 7 hours) earlier?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

by "someone" do you mean Eskimo who posted it was Alexander and Robinson a couple of posts (and 7 hours) earlier?

hehe - didnt see that....

 

[AbeBeta]

Honestly, the way we were drafting back then, we'd likely have pulled a Slyvester Morris - Jamal Reynolds combo

So it is probably better we didn't have the picks at all.

 

[Eddie]

The loss of the 2 first rounders for Gallowaste, a 3rd for McKnight, and some horrid drafting left this team in a pretty bad state. Actually, many pundits were surprised we turned in 5 wins those seasons. Most expected us to go winless.

Things have turned around a bit, but we still haven't won a playoff game in that span.

 

[iceberg]

In the same theme as the other post regarding Irvin and Smith, doesn't anyone remember how devastating it was not to have 2 1st rounders due to trading them away for another player. Galloway was and is a good player who got hurt for us right away.

It destroyed our rebuilding/competitiveness not having a chance at a couple of young guys.

Now Washington tried for a couple WR's with a 1st and a 3rd, and that wasn't enough. What are we going to do, spend 2 1sts again.

Man the crying is barely over since the Galloway trade, and now we are trying to do it all over again?

Anyway, wait till Roy is total FA next year. He wants to play in Dallas.

LarryCanadian

the crying is barely over? not trying to exaggurate are you?

 

[Redball Express]

The loss of the 2 first rounders for Gallowaste, a 3rd for McKnight, and some horrid drafting left this team in a pretty bad state. Actually, many pundits were surprised we turned in 5 wins those seasons. Most expected us to go winless.

Things have turned around a bit, but we still haven't won a playoff game in that span.

..see Dallas trade 2 high draft picks again for another player..never.

After what happened in Dallas after the Galloway trade..Jones would never risk it.

Look what happened to Tampa after they traded their 2 #1's for Keyshawn Johnson..?

Yes, they won a SB, but quickly they submerged into avergae or worst and are just now climbing back to being competitive. Trading away their 2 1's set them back 3-4 years in their personnel after the big win.

And then look at the Jets, they rebuilt their team significantly from that trade.

Same thing with the Seattle Seahawks.

They helped themselves for several years in their rebuilding and their playoff runs with the players they got from us and only now are slowing down with that bump we gave them with releasing Shawn Alexander.

The sad part for us IMO is that we gave Galloway to TB for Keyshawn and we got a guy who lasted only 2 years with us whereas TB is still getting good to great production from Galloway still.

Add in TG and getting only 2 years of production so far out of him and it's really pitiful how we have faired with our trades and signings trying to keep the WR position going .

Thank goodness for TO or we'd be in a crisis right now.

So RW for multiple future picks..? Any player for numerous valuable picks..?

This team will not go there. We have rebuilt this team with good drafting, good coaching and shrewd FA signing at practically no draft cost to the franchise when it presented itself.

That will continue..IMO.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

 

[Eskimo]

The loss of the 2 first rounders for Gallowaste, a 3rd for McKnight, and some horrid drafting left this team in a pretty bad state. Actually, many pundits were surprised we turned in 5 wins those seasons. Most expected us to go winless.

Things have turned around a bit, but we still haven't won a playoff game in that span.

Well it was actually 2-0 vs the Skins and 3-11 versus the rest of the league those years. You can say what you want about Campo but at least he went undefeated against the Skins.

 

[Eskimo]

See Dallas trade 2 high draft picks again for another player..never.

After what happened in Dallas after the Galloway trade..Jones would never risk it.

Look what happened to Tampa after they traded their 2 #1's for Keyshawn Johnson..?

Yes, they won a SB, but quickly they submerged into avergae or worst and are just now climbing back to being competitive. Trading away their 2 1's set them back 3-4 years in their personnel after the big win.

And then look at the Jets, they rebuilt their team significantly from that trade.

Same thing with the Seattle Seahawks.

They helped themselves for several years in their rebuilding and their playoff runs with the players they got from us and only now are slowing down with that bump we gave them with releasing Sahwn Alexander.

The sad part for us IMO is that we gave Galloway to TB for Keyshawn and we got a guy who lasted only 2 years with us whereas TB is still getting good to great production from Galloway still.

Add in TG and getting only 2 years of production so far out of him and it's really pitiful how we have faired with our trades and signings trying to keep the WR position going .

Thank goodness for TO or we'd be in a crisis right now.

So RW for multiple future picks..? Any player for numerous valuable picks..?

This team will not go there. We have rebuilt this team with good drafting, good coaching and shrewd FA signing at practically no draft cost to the franchise when it presented itself.

That will continue..IMO.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

Key was a Parcells guy and Galloway wasn't.

He'd be a great threat opposite TO right now.

 

[mmillman]

To be fair Galloway had a bad knee injury right away. This team is a piece or two away from a ring that team wasn't.

 

[LarryCanadian]

I totally agree that the situation is different now from then, where the triplets were aging/injured etc. And yes I was exaggerating about the crying about the Galloway trade a little (but not too much - as it's not forgotten and is brought up by others too!).

I still don't think a Chad Johnson or most players for that matter is worth 2 first round picks, not at his stage of career and with the potential headaches.

Nobody answers my question as to what these guys would cost either. Again, if a 1st and 3rd wasn't enough, i'm guessing a 1st and 2nd is now the minimum bid.

Also, signing these guys to new contracts nukes your salary cap too. There are more factors than just getting a stud beside TO.

If you get Ocho and give up 2 1sts, then you aren't likely gonna get a stud young guy to develop for the future. I think Ocho is around 30 himself, so now we'd have TO/Ocho/Glenn.

Feast or famine all over again.

I thought Jerry swore never to do that again. I know the majority of posters wouldn't want to do that again, but sentiments change when you start to feel you are 1 piece of puzzle away. So I understand the appeal, but learned my lesson last time. I really like Galloway (he played in Seattle, so here in VAncouver I saw him play a ton) and I still like him. Liked the trade then, until you see what the potential long term cost is.

I'd prefer trying the develop own young talent route, unless you can get a Roy Williams for a reasonable cost (which with 1 year left on the his contract till UFA, 2 1st rounders isn't). I think Jerry plans to make full court press for Roy next year or even just before trade deadline this year. Wants to see how Stanback looks development wise and how Glenn's knee is holding up too. Can Crayton make the next step?

So let me ask you all this question. Would you trade Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins for Chad Johnson? How about for Boldin? How about Roy Williams? We would likely have to renegotiate their contracts, and some other players just to fit them under cap also (or do you cut another player a la Jason Ferguson to fit them). Would you trade D Ware and Marcus Spears for any of those guys (or would you have during that draft 3 years ago)?

Those were 2 1st rounders in the bottom 3rd of the 1st round and I wouldn't make that trade, even though we don't know if they can play at the NFL level.

I just think the asking price is too high for right now for that stud opposite TO.

LarryCanadian

 

[Bach]

In the same theme as the other post regarding Irvin and Smith, doesn't anyone remember how devastating it was not to have 2 1st rounders due to trading them away for another player.

Ah yeah.



:bang2:

 

[Primetime0201]

My point is that posters keep saying trade for Chad Johnson, Boldin, or Roy Williams. If teams turned down Washington who offered a 1st and 3rd, why the heck would they take less from the Cowboys. Rumor was Washington offered more than 1 team that trade, although I'veonly read Cinci.

I would maybe give up a 1 for Roy Williams, because he's still relatively young, AND he's proven, but I wouldn't give 2 1's for Ocho Cinquo, and I'm not sure on Boldin (is he big enough to be impact guy?).

I agree that Jones was shrewd in getting extra 3 and 4 next year and he's giving himself flexibility to move or trade (maybe even this year still), but again, 2 1sts is an awful lot. Don't want to see it happen again.

Many people seem to think we need that WR no matter what the price. I'm happy we didn't do the Galloway thing again.

Larry

1st of all as far as Chad Johnson goes Cinci would have taken an 8 M cap hit. Come June 1 they will actual save their selves 1.7 by trading him. I could see a trade like a #3,#4,Roy Williams and Carpenter or Spears getting it done.