Does Gregory accrue a year towards Free Agency?

[lkelly]

Forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere, but does Gregory accrue a year towards free agency this season? He was suspended for the first 14 games (obviously). Doesn't he need to be on the roster or at least be injured for 6 games to count this as a year of service?

Obviously I'm trying to project that he actually amounts to something down the line and if he can be retained for an extra year to make up for this season's waste, that helps Dallas from a salary cap standpoint.

 

[xwalker]

Forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere, but does Gregory accrue a year towards free agency this season? He was suspended for the first 14 games (obviously). Doesn't he need to be on the roster or at least be injured for 6 games to count this as a year of service?

Obviously I'm trying to project that he actually amounts to something down the line and if he can be retained for an extra year to make up for this season's waste, that helps Dallas from a salary cap standpoint.

He needs to get paid for 6 regular season games to accrue a season towards FA. He will only get paid for 2 games.

 

[Bluefin]

The NFL already told the Dallas Cowboys Rolando McClain's contract would be tolled due to his suspension.

That means it will carryover to next season.

Jaylon Smith will also not accrue a season of service towards unrestricted free agency this year.

 

[AbeBeta]

The NFL already told the Dallas Cowboys Rolando McClain's contract would be tolled due to his suspension.

That means it will carryover to next season.

Jaylon Smith will also not accrue a season of service towards unrestricted free agency this year.

I've read here that because we are paying Jaylon's full salary (i.e. Doing the right thing) that he is credited for the year

 

[Bluefin]

I've read here that because we are paying Jaylon's full salary (i.e. Doing the right thing) that he is credited for the year

I was expecting that to be the case, too.





And if Jaylon Smith recovers fully, the team will be ready to talk long term extension when it's time to tender the LB as a restricted free agent in 2020.

 

[xwalker]

I was expecting that to be the case, too.





And if Jaylon Smith recovers fully, the team will be ready to talk long term extension when it's time to tender the LB as a restricted free agent in 2020.

Interesting. I've seen it reported both ways in regards to Jaylon. I thought somebody posted an example of a player in this situation in the past that did end up accruing a season while on NFI.

The pick would make a little more sense if he does not accrue a season towards FA. The biggest value of drafts picks under the most recent CBA, comes during their rookie contract years. Once they are a free agent, they cost as much as a free agent that another team drafted.


I think @bkight13 has researched this issue.

 

[AbeBeta]

Interesting. I've seen it reported both ways in regards to Jaylon. I thought somebody posted an example of a player in this situation in the past that did end up accruing a season while on NFI.

The pick would make a little more sense if he does not accrue a season towards FA. The biggest value of drafts picks under the most recent CBA, comes during their rookie contract years. Once they are a free agent, they cost as much as a free agent that another team drafted.


I think @bkight13 has researched this issue.

By the same logic, we would be retaining McFadden's rights for next year. And I doubt that's the case

 

[xwalker]

By the same logic, we would be retaining McFadden's rights for next year. And I doubt that's the case

Doing some research, it seems that it is based on pay status. If the player is on full pay status, then they are accruing time.

Where is gets tricky is that teams are not required to provide full pay to players on NFI; however, it is the team's option. It was reported that they were paying McFadden his regular salary while he was out.

It is not clear to me what the Cowboys are paying Jaylon Smith.

Also, I'm not clear on full pay vs partial pay. If they deduct #1 from his pay for being on the NFI is that sufficient to keep him from accruing a season...

One site referenced Marcus Lattimore as an example of a player that did not accrue a season while on NFI..
Any player who does not spend the required six games under full pay status does not acquire an accrued season. One notable example of this is former San Francisco 49ers running back Marcus Lattimore. After being drafted in 2013 out of South Carolina following a major knee injury, he spent his entire first season in the league on the non-football injury list, which is not under full pay status. As such, 2013 did not count as an accrued season for him, essentially making 2014 his rookie year.

 

[Bluefin]

Also, I'm not clear on full pay vs partial pay. If they deduct #1 from his pay for being on the NFI is that sufficient to keep him from accruing a season...

Yes, it would.

This usually comes up with undrafted free agents and late round draftees who are not likely to make the active roster.

Most of these players are signed to contracts that include a term called split salary.

A player will receive his full salary if he makes the roster and a much smaller amount if he ends up on injured reserve.

First and second round players often have fully or partially guaranteed contracts because there is almost no chance of them not making the roster.

They don't have split salary clauses.

Dallas guaranteed La'el Collins' entire undrafted contract following the events that led to him tumbling out of the 2015 draft.

Ron Leary had a large portion of his rookie salary guaranteed, but he was released following training camp and spent almost the entire season on the practice squad. He didn't get 6 games as a rookie and the contract tolled (carried over) to the following year.

Regarding Jaylon Smith, I expected Dallas to guarantee his rookie salary despite the injury and that he would accrue a season towards unrestricted free agency.

The part I find confusing now is why Smith's contract will still end after the 2019 season instead of having this year toll so that it would end after the 2020 campaign.

I did find a bit on contracts and players that are on PUP as a result of a non football injury do not accrue a season of service.

NFI is the same as PUP.

Calculation: A player gets 1 AS for each season: 1) they are under contract with a team and 2) they are on full pay status (Active/Inactive roster and Injured Reserve list for 6 or more regular season games). Players do not qualify if they are on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list as a result of a non-football injury, the Practice Squad, or the Exempt Commissioner Permission List. link

 

[Nightman]

I've read here that because we are paying Jaylon's full salary (i.e. Doing the right thing) that he is credited for the year

Everything I read backs this up as well

DAL said they were paying JSmith and McFadden in full while on the NFI......that would mean they accrue the year of service(after 6 weeks like Xwalker said)

We got the extra year out of Leary but he spent most of his rookie on the PS if I recall

I personally think Jerry is getting soft and these small considerations won't be paid back in kind

 

[Bluefin]

By the same logic, we would be retaining McFadden's rights for next year. And I doubt that's the case

If this information is correct, it would also apply to Darren McFadden.

Run DMC hurt himself off the football field and was not able to play at the start of the season.

The running back doesn't deserve to get credit for a season when he didn't play until December because of something he did off the field.

 

[Nightman]

Yes, it would.

This usually comes up with undrafted free agents and late round draftees who are not likely to make the active roster.

Most of these players are signed to contracts that include a term called split salary.

A player will receive his full salary if he makes the roster and a much smaller amount if he ends up on injured reserve.

First and second round players often have fully or partially guaranteed contracts because there is almost no chance of them not making the roster.

They don't have split salary clauses.

Dallas guaranteed La'el Collins' entire undrafted contract following the events that led to him tumbling out of the 2015 draft.

Ron Leary had a large portion of his rookie salary guaranteed, but he was released following training camp and spent almost the entire season on the practice squad. He didn't get 6 games as a rookie and the contract tolled (carried over) to the following year.

Regarding Jaylon Smith, I expected Dallas to guarantee his rookie salary despite the injury and that he would accrue a season towards unrestricted free agency.

The part I find confusing now is why Smith's contract will still end after the 2019 season instead of having this year toll so that it would end after the 2020 campaign.

I did find a bit on contracts and players that are on PUP as a result of a non football injury do not accrue a season of service.

NFI is the same as PUP.

I read that Rico Gathers is getting $1 less than the rookie minimum.....that keeps him from getting a year's service time but keeps him happy staying on the PS

 

[Bluefin]

I read that Rico Gathers is getting $1 less than the rookie minimum.....that keeps him from getting a year's service time but keeps him happy staying on the PS

I had heard it was the full amount.

But as we learned with Ronald Leary, Practice Squad players don't accrue a season of service towards unrestricted free agency.

Players must be released and clear waivers prior to signing a practice squad contract.

They are part of the NFL, but they aren't on a roster.

Practice squad players are unrestricted free agents who can sign with any NFL team should the opportunity arise.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've read here that because we are paying Jaylon's full salary (i.e. Doing the right thing) that he is credited for the year

I think they paid him a dollar short or something like that.