Does McC get more draft influence with his play calling?

[CouchCoach]

I do wonder if part of the deal for him to take on this additional duty carried with it more influence in the war room?

Was he also part of the decision making process letting Elliott walk?

I do think the GM used this as a convincer to keep Quinn and most likely did in getting McC to replace Moore with himself.

If he did get more power in the war room, I can see OL in the 1st.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We will never know but I’d love to know who does what. How much influence Mike and McClay have. Quinn to.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

We will never know but I’d love to know who does what. How much influence Mike and McClay have. Quinn to.

Remember supposedly Taco was Martinelli's pick. If this is true, I can't imagine them NOT giving Quinn just as much, if not more input.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think it's that point in the offseason where we are trying too hard to read into minor details to be honest. The Cowboys went Oline last year in the first so does them going Oline again make us think that MM has been given more authority for roster construction?

If there is one thing that the Cowboys draft room is not it's complicated. Last year we got an Oline prospect that wasn't on most peoples radar, but they had a high grade on him. 2021 they needed to go CB, but when one wasn't available they traded down and took the highest rated player on their board (Parsons). Year before that it was pretty well accepted they were taking Chaisson.....until another player ranked higher on their board fell to them (Lamb).

The Cowboys are going to play their board in the first round. There are exceptions where they have had one obvious need and picked that specific position, but it's typically not worked out too well. This year there is not that one position that is a huge black hole on the roster where if it doesn't get addressed during the draft you worry about it going into the season. Plenty of position groups that can still be upgraded, but not one you have to come away with in round 1. This is typically where the Cowboys thrive.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I do wonder if part of the deal for him to take on this additional duty carried with it more influence in the war room?

Was he also part of the decision making process letting Elliott walk?

NO.

YES.

 

[JBS]

MM has never had any kind of say in his life in regards to the draft. He’s gone as far to say that he doesn’t even have interest.

So no.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Remember supposedly Taco was Martinelli's pick. If this is true, I can't imagine them NOT giving Quinn just as much, if not more input.

Good point. I think it depends on how high the pick is. A late rounder I can see Quinn having input. Micah to me was all on Jerry IMO. Well a collaborative effort lead my Jerry anyway. Same goes for Lamb.

 

[conner01]

My guess is everyone lobbies for their guy, mcclay has the most influence and Jerry gets the glory of a good scouting dept

 

[CouchCoach]

MM has never had any kind of say in his life in regards to the draft. He’s gone as far to say that he doesn’t even have interest.

So no.

I did not know that and what a strange thing for a HC to say.

 

[DoctorChicken]

I think so. I believe the front office gives the coaches draft prospects they like.

For example, our drafting on the defensive side of the ball has been better since Quinn took over, who is clearly a better talent evaluator than Marinelli was.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I will ask you a question........as GM, raise your hand if you think Jerry make visits to a few or more schools or college games to evaluate prospects? Hell nah, sure he makes the final decision, especially on 1st rounders but the leg work is done by the coaches and McClay. I remember Jerry admitted he was initially against drafting Parsons coz thought he was an off-ball LBers but once they convinced him he would impact the pass rush, he agreed.

Read this about Tomlin's draft preparation ..........you see Jerry doing any of this. I know Tomlin is a HC but this is the kind of stuff most of these young GMs do all year.


With pro days wrapping up, I was reminded the other day of a conversation I had with Steelers coach Mike Tomlin about this time of year. I think it’s relevant now because it helps explain why Tomlin is so good at his job—and how he’s continued to be able to connect and get the most out of his players at a point in his Steelers career, going on 17 seasons now, when other coaches’ messages would’ve long since gone stale.

This was two summers ago, and Tomlin was explaining how he’s found a way to keep going when, at the time, he was passing his predecessor, Bill Cowher, for tenure in Pittsburgh. He raised the annual tour of pro days he does on his own, and in particular how he has a list of schools (Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State among them) he goes to annually.

“I got a bunch of relationships, man,” Tomlin said. “Those teams are consistently in the mix for a reason, and they got guys coming into the draft every year, so they become routine stops. And in the midst of those routine stops, you got time to do some side projects and gain some understanding. … I stay connected to college football coaches. I learn a lot from them. When I’m evaluating in the spring, and going out and preparing for the draft, I’m also studying programs and coaches and seeing what’s important to them, and the lives of the people they work with, because invariably those are gonna be some of the people that I work with.

“That’s a process that I start anew every year. Got good relationships with guys that coach in college, so, Hey, take me to your social media coordinator, let me spend five minutes with them and see the points of emphasis they’re making to the 18-year-olds that are coming into your program.”

To that end, I was with a college coach at the combine back in March, and remembering this, I saw him stop the guy, and say, “Hey, so you know, really respect what you do.”

And, in the moment, though few would know it, Tomlin was probably making the Steelers just a little better for it.

 

[charron]

This will be the 1st draft under Mike that they need a RB. But maybe mike changes the type of wr they look for?

 

[Nova]

I will ask you a question........as GM, raise your hand if you think Jerry make visits to a few or more schools or college games to evaluate prospects? Hell nah, sure he makes the final decision, especially on 1st rounders but the leg work is done by the coaches and McClay. I remember Jerry admitted he was initially against drafting Parsons coz thought he was an off-ball LBers but once they convinced him he would impact the pass rush, he agreed.

Read this about Tomlin's draft preparation ..........you see Jerry doing any of this. I know Tomlin is a HC but this is the kind of stuff most of these young GMs do all year.


With pro days wrapping up, I was reminded the other day of a conversation I had with Steelers coach Mike Tomlin about this time of year. I think it’s relevant now because it helps explain why Tomlin is so good at his job—and how he’s continued to be able to connect and get the most out of his players at a point in his Steelers career, going on 17 seasons now, when other coaches’ messages would’ve long since gone stale.

This was two summers ago, and Tomlin was explaining how he’s found a way to keep going when, at the time, he was passing his predecessor, Bill Cowher, for tenure in Pittsburgh. He raised the annual tour of pro days he does on his own, and in particular how he has a list of schools (Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State among them) he goes to annually.

“I got a bunch of relationships, man,” Tomlin said. “Those teams are consistently in the mix for a reason, and they got guys coming into the draft every year, so they become routine stops. And in the midst of those routine stops, you got time to do some side projects and gain some understanding. … I stay connected to college football coaches. I learn a lot from them. When I’m evaluating in the spring, and going out and preparing for the draft, I’m also studying programs and coaches and seeing what’s important to them, and the lives of the people they work with, because invariably those are gonna be some of the people that I work with.

“That’s a process that I start anew every year. Got good relationships with guys that coach in college, so, Hey, take me to your social media coordinator, let me spend five minutes with them and see the points of emphasis they’re making to the 18-year-olds that are coming into your program.”

To that end, I was with a college coach at the combine back in March, and remembering this, I saw him stop the guy, and say, “Hey, so you know, really respect what you do.”

And, in the moment, though few would know it, Tomlin was probably making the Steelers just a little better for it.

That's cool and all, but the Steelers have not been as good at drafting as the Cowboys have over the last 15 or so years.

 

[noshame]

I think quinn has proven he can get more out of less talent than most coaches.
The players play hard for him and that is the biggest element towards winning in the n f l.
OTOH some coaches can get everything they ask for and still fail. I'm guessing Jerry will give Mike everything he needs.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think quinn has proven he can get more out of less talent than most coaches.
The players play hard for him and that is the biggest element towards winning in the n f l.
OTOH some coaches can get everything they ask for and still fail. I'm guessing Jerry will give Mike everything he needs.

Quinn has players play hard for him, not better. He is a slave to the talent as much as any coach is.

This is best illustrated by when Lawrence Taylor broke Belichick's plan for him and crashed the pocket. Belichick and Parcells both said he changed their defensive philosophy. Up until then, the 3/4 was primarily a run stop D created in high school because at that time running the ball was the game. Taylor sent Belichick back to the drawing board and he created magic.

Players can make themselves better with hard work, study and the weight room when they are first starting out but that natural God given talent can't be beat.

Take Parsons, is Quinn doing anything differently with a freak of nature than another DC wouldn't do? I look deeper beyond the stars for evidence of exceptional coaching and frankly, with Quinn I see a good coach, not an exceptional one.

Buddy Ryan, Lovie Smith and Marvin Lewis never duplicated what put them on the map because they didn't have those players. They really never came close to it. Wade Phillips and Monte Kiffin? Same thing.

 

[eromeopolk]

I do wonder if part of the deal for him to take on this additional duty carried with it more influence in the war room?

Was he also part of the decision making process letting Elliott walk?

I do think the GM used this as a convincer to keep Quinn and most likely did in getting McC to replace Moore with himself.

If he did get more power in the war room, I can see OL in the 1st.

He had no influence in the draft at Greenbay other than articulating needs. The same as in Arlington.

McCarthy is the perfect fit for Jerry, Stephen, and Will McClay. Lets see if he can keep his job now that he made Jerry get rid of Jason Garrett Jr. (Kellen Moore).

 

[noshame]

Quinn has players play hard for him, not better. He is a slave to the talent as much as any coach is.

This is best illustrated by when Lawrence Taylor broke Belichick's plan for him and crashed the pocket. Belichick and Parcells both said he changed their defensive philosophy. Up until then, the 3/4 was primarily a run stop D created in high school because at that time running the ball was the game. Taylor sent Belichick back to the drawing board and he created magic.

Players can make themselves better with hard work, study and the weight room when they are first starting out but that natural God given talent can't be beat.

Take Parsons, is Quinn doing anything differently with a freak of nature than another DC wouldn't do? I look deeper beyond the stars for evidence of exceptional coaching and frankly, with Quinn I see a good coach, not an exceptional one.

Buddy Ryan, Lovie Smith and Marvin Lewis never duplicated what put them on the map because they didn't have those players. They really never came close to it. Wade Phillips and Monte Kiffin? Same thing.

Some coaches can get a player to find that extra 10% of effort on every play. Some coaches use players differently and find hidden strengths. If players buy into a coach and system the entire group can raise their level of play. IMO coaching, evaluation, and scheme can affect the level of play much more than talent alone.

But good post though, I understand what your saying.

 

[Diehardblues]

He had no influence in the draft at Greenbay other than articulating needs. The same as in Arlington.

McCarthy is the perfect fit for Jerry, Stephen, and Will McClay. Lets see if he can keep his job now that he made Jerry get rid of Jason Garrett Jr. (Kellen Moore).

Probably not. It’s just a matter of time until MM suffers a similar ending as others this era under Jethro.

And don’t count Moore out as returning as HC in a couple years if he has success with Herbert in LA.

 

[Diehardblues]

Quinn has players play hard for him, not better. He is a slave to the talent as much as any coach is.

This is best illustrated by when Lawrence Taylor broke Belichick's plan for him and crashed the pocket. Belichick and Parcells both said he changed their defensive philosophy. Up until then, the 3/4 was primarily a run stop D created in high school because at that time running the ball was the game. Taylor sent Belichick back to the drawing board and he created magic.

Players can make themselves better with hard work, study and the weight room when they are first starting out but that natural God given talent can't be beat.

Take Parsons, is Quinn doing anything differently with a freak of nature than another DC wouldn't do? I look deeper beyond the stars for evidence of exceptional coaching and frankly, with Quinn I see a good coach, not an exceptional one.

Buddy Ryan, Lovie Smith and Marvin Lewis never duplicated what put them on the map because they didn't have those players. They really never came close to it. Wade Phillips and Monte Kiffin? Same thing.

Yep

It’s always been talent driven. The great coaches assemble great talent either recruiting or drafting.

Some coaches can optimize talent like Bill did here in 2003 but not enough to overcome much more talented teams.

Greater coaching can impact more against competition when talent level is similar.

 

[Diehardblues]

I do wonder if part of the deal for him to take on this additional duty carried with it more influence in the war room?

Was he also part of the decision making process letting Elliott walk?

I do think the GM used this as a convincer to keep Quinn and most likely did in getting McC to replace Moore with himself.

If he did get more power in the war room, I can see OL in the 1st.

All speculation. No one knows. Most likely he took over play calling to save his own butt, nothing more. If Robinson is sitting there at 26 we will take him.