Does Murray start over Felix? If so

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do you look at it like another blown first round pick or a great third round pick in Murray or both?
 
well i dont think Felix was looked at as an every down back to begin with. he was drafted as a change of pace back who could catch passes out of the back field. use him where you can get him in open space etc. so with Murray having a great rookie season before the injury it allowed the Cowboys to use Felix the way he was always intended to be used.

going forward it should be the same.

1st round bust? i dont know about that. now if you want to discuss the merits of drafting a guy in the first round who was never projected to be an every down player, thats a completely different discussion
 
danzig;4396865 said:
well i dont think Felix was looked at as an every down back to begin with. he was drafted as a change of pace back who could catch passes out of the back field. use him where you can get him in open space etc. so with Murray having a great rookie season before the injury it allowed the Cowboys to use Felix the way he was always intended to be used.

going forward it should be the same.

1st round bust? i dont know about that. now if you want to discuss the merits of drafting a guy in the first round who was never projected to be an every down player, thats a completely different discussion

This.

Felix Jones was another one of Jerry's cute ideas to have a guy in the Westbrook/Sproles mold who could wreak havoc on 3rd downs. Given the opportunity he still might be a full-tme starter but Murray is clearly the better all-around back.
 
Felix has contributed and played well in stretches of his career. He has made some big plays. So I wouldn't call him a bust. Now Murray had a good stretch also, but let's see him do it with some consistency before we crown him, much like Julius Jones.
 
I think Murray goes in as the starter entering camp. From there we will see. I do think Murray is more of the every down back as opposed to Felix but I'm not going to rule Felix out
 
I guess that is what I am getting at. Dallas has too many first round "busts". I hesitate to call Felix a bust as I really like him and don't think Dallas uses him correctly. He should be used like a Marshall Faulk type back. Get him on the edge with sweeps and screens. Get him a flare or swing pass. Draws etc............ not as a battering ram that negates his speed.

I recognize that you really need more than one back but do you spend a first round pick on a guy that was never going to be an every down back.

going back 15 years you have:

lafleur, two no pick years in first round, Ekuban, spears, spencer, williams, carpenter, dez, and jones as busts or players that never performed up to first round status.

I left out Newman as he played well for a block of seasons. Dez? All the talent in the world but I am skeptical as his mental makeup will ever allow him to be as dominant as he could be. That is why so many teams skipped him. Spencer and Spears average at their positions, not what you want in terms of production or salary when spending first round picks.
 
Wasn't murray starting when Felix returned ? Against the giants when Murray was hurt Felix was backing up. Either way Murray will be the starter come opening day
 
mmillman;4396862 said:
do you look at it like another blown first round pick or a great third round pick in Murray or both?

people get far too tied up in WHERE someone was drafted. jones was taken as a "home run hitter" to compliment barber. maybe not the smartest of moves, but that was why.

now to compare him to murray who i believe we did take to be a full time back - just not valid in my opinion. i think jones can still be great in his role and can do spot duty as the starter.

that's is where we are and how to use our players best. having to use them according to where fans see them drafted is just strange.
 
iceberg;4396902 said:
people get far too tied up in WHERE someone was drafted. jones was taken as a "home run hitter" to compliment barber. maybe not the smartest of moves, but that was why.

now to compare him to murray who i believe we did take to be a full time back - just not valid in my opinion. i think jones can still be great in his role and can do spot duty as the starter.

that's is where we are and how to use our players best. having to use them according to where fans see them drafted is just strange.

I agree and frankly I like the combo of Murray and Felix
 
the stretch of 1st Round picks from Spears(05), Carpenter(06), Spencer(07), Felix(08) and Jenkins(08) and lack thereof in 09 from the Williams trade has been pretty pathetic. Your 1st Round picks are supposed to be cornerstones of your franchise, we're now feeling the effects of whiffing on 6 consecutive 1st Round picks with back to back mediocre seasons.
 
Spears(05), Carpenter(06), Spencer(07)

All Parcells. Word is that Bill didn't not want to draft Ware.
 
Doomsday101;4396882 said:
I think Murray goes in as the starter entering camp. From there we will see. I do think Murray is more of the every down back as opposed to Felix but I'm not going to rule Felix out

After what you saw last year? Murray is our #1 running back and it isn't even close. Felix will get about 5-7 carries a game and that is it. Give me the guy who is stronger, doesn't fumble, and who rarely ever makes mistakes. Felix is an excellent back up for when Murray needs a breather.
 
mmillman;4396862 said:
do you look at it like another blown first round pick or a great third round pick in Murray or both?

I was wrong about the Murray pick, but only because I didn't want to draft a RB that high when we already had a 1st rounder on the roster.

Felix showed he can still get it done with better blocking, so it's not even like he's a bad player.

I'd say more than anything it is just a flawed draft strategy, which doesn't take away from either player.
 
TheFinisher;4396912 said:
the stretch of 1st Round picks from Spears(05), Carpenter(06), Spencer(07), Felix(08) and Jenkins(08) and lack thereof in 09 from the Williams trade has been pretty pathetic. Your 1st Round picks are supposed to be cornerstones of your franchise, we're now feeling the effects of whiffing on 6 consecutive 1st Round picks with back to back mediocre seasons.

They also got Ware in the 1st round in 2005. Not a whiff. I think this easily offsets the Spears pick. You would like to get a cornerstone with that pick, but they at least go one in Ware in the 1st round. Having a second 1st round pick that year was a bonus. Spears is not terrible.
 
Murray starts without a doubt. However, I would love to see a lot of 2 RB sets next year. Our "O" could be very dangerous with a few upgrades on the o-line...obviously.
 
The truly saddening part of the whole situation is that on another team, I have no doubt in my mind that Felix could be one of the premier backs in the league.

Hopefully this can be further narrowed down to another o-line, which we address with every resource this team as before the start of next season.
 
ufcrules1;4396917 said:
After what you saw last year? Murray is our #1 running back and it isn't even close. Felix will get about 5-7 carries a game and that is it. Give me the guy who is stronger, doesn't fumble, and who rarely ever makes mistakes. Felix is an excellent back up for when Murray needs a breather.

I think in the end Murray will be the starter. Right now I say going into camp he should be penciled in as the starter and guess what I would make guys earn it in camp. I think Murray will be the starter but I'm not handing anything to any player right now
 
What kind of GM drafts a 3rd down running back in the first round ... of course Felix is a bust. First round running backs need to be your starter.
 

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