Does the NFLPA hate the little guy?

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Not sure if anyone saw the actual settlement but the largest item that surprised me was a 55K per year/slot bump in player minimums. --not good for the cowboys cap but good for the 90% of players supposedly left in cold.

That means ALL low end guys get raises while higher end deals come back to the pack.

The biggest reduction will come from the rookie deals top 10 draft picks. Sam Bradford is a lucky man to have gotten that last sweetheart number 1 deal.

The next guy will wait 5 years and have to be proven excellent to get a deal like that.
 
it was always stupid to pay rookies that kind of money. ALWAYS.
 
This was a low priority to them and it is obvious due to the total being only $55k per year added. If Smith had made it more of a priority and had cared more about the bottom guys from the beginning, that number would not have been an after thought.

Out of the 1,800 or so NFL roster players, approximately 900 of them earn minimum salaries .. in other words HALF of them .. so forgive me if I fail to see anything more than a token raise for them as a sign of "caring."

Oh well .. perhaps in 10 years the new NFLPA head will care more for them ..

-Reality
 
Reality;4001305 said:
This was a low priority to them and it is obvious due to the total being only $55k per year added. If Smith had made it more of a priority and had cared more about the bottom guys from the beginning, that number would not have been an after thought and instead would have been more fair.

Out of the 1,800 or so NFL roster players, approximately 900 of them earn minimum salaries .. in other words HALF of them .. so forgive me if I fail to see anything more than a token raise for them as a sign of "caring."

Oh well .. perhaps in 10 years the new NFLPA head will care more for them ..

-Reality

This argument doesn't even come close to flying much less being reality.

The end of the roster guys got raises of higher than 10% while the salary cap as a whole shrunk a fair amount.

Arguing this was a low priority for De Smith is both weak and intellectually dishonest. You have zero evidence that was the case and in fact are poo-pooing a fair raise where other players took pay cuts.

Fringe NFL players making 460 K per year is a good thing.

This argument was always out of left field and base don absolutely nothing but whining from personal relationships. The money raise didn't end up in there by accident or because owners just like paying guys that may never see the actual field. The NFLPA with De Smith at it's head got these favorable terms for lower end guys.
 
sounds to me like as usual its the guys in the middle that will get squeezed.
 
jterrell;4001312 said:
This argument doesn't even come close to flying much less being reality.

The end of the roster guys got raises of higher than 10% while the salary cap as a whole shrunk a fair amount.

Arguing this was a low priority for De Smith is both weak and intellectually dishonest. You have zero evidence that was the case and in fact are poo-pooing a fair raise where other players took pay cuts.

Fringe NFL players making 460 K per year is a good thing.

This argument was always out of left field and base don absolutely nothing but whining from personal relationships. The money raise didn't end up in there by accident or because owners just like paying guys that may never see the actual field. The NFLPA with De Smith at it's head got these favorable terms for lower end guys.
So basically you are saying since Smith finally got around to doing something for the bottom players that they should bend over and take it and be happy about it? Give me a break.

You tried a weak attempt at an "I told you so" when all you came with was a token raise inserted at the end to make sure every player saw something new.

When half the league is making the minimum salary, they needed to be a focus from the start, not the end. We all knew that no matter what deal was worked out, all players minus those affected by the rookie scale system (primarily blue chip players) would see more money. Giving a token raise to a player and treated it like "Oh the savior Smith blessed everyone" is reaching and quite frankly embarrassing.

No one is saying they deserved huge raises but when you are negotiating a ten year deal, the starting point for those raises needs to be as high as possible to set the scale for future years as well.

I think it is great they got more money but that was no surprise at all. Smith could have been the worst negotiator on the planet and he would have still had to have a deal that meant more money for most players or else a significant number of players would have rejected it.

Unfortunately, with this deal, I suspect as burmafrd pointed out that in the years to come, the mid-salary players will be squeezed the most because you can be absolutely sure the top players will not see their salaries become stagnant.

-Reality
 
Reality;4001369 said:
So basically you are saying since Smith finally got around to doing something for the bottom players that they should bend over and take it and be happy about it? Give me a break.

You tried a weak attempt at an "I told you so" when all you came with was a token raise inserted at the end to make sure every player saw something new.

When half the league is making the minimum salary, they needed to be a focus from the start, not the end. We all knew that no matter what deal was worked out, all players minus those affected by the rookie scale system (primarily blue chip players) would see more money. Giving a token raise to a player and treated it like "Oh the savior Smith blessed everyone" is reaching and quite frankly embarrassing.

No one is saying they deserved huge raises but when you are negotiating a ten year deal, the starting point for those raises needs to be as high as possible to set the scale for future years as well.

I think it is great they got more money but that was no surprise at all. Smith could have been the worst negotiator on the planet and he would have still had to have a deal that meant more money for most players or else a significant number of players would have rejected it.

Unfortunately, with this deal, I suspect as burmafrd pointed out that in the years to come, the mid-salary players will be squeezed the most because you can be absolutely sure the top players will not see their salaries become stagnant.

-Reality

How do you know what Smith or any of the player reps argued for at any point in the negotiations? Do you know someone that has been privy to the NFLPA's internal discussions?

And since when is a 10% raise token?
 
FuzzyLumpkins;4001373 said:
How do you know what Smith or any of the player reps argued for at any point in the negotiations? Do you know someone that has been privy to the NFLPA's internal discussions?

And since when is a 10% raise token?


And it Goes up every year. For the majority of players. And no 18G schedule. And retirees taken care of. And no significant games missed .

Not really seeing where he is a debil in the end but some people are stubborn.
 
jterrell;4001312 said:
This argument doesn't even come close to flying much less being reality.

The end of the roster guys got raises of higher than 10% while the salary cap as a whole shrunk a fair amount.

Arguing this was a low priority for De Smith is both weak and intellectually dishonest. You have zero evidence that was the case and in fact are poo-pooing a fair raise where other players took pay cuts.

Fringe NFL players making 460 K per year is a good thing.

This argument was always out of left field and base don absolutely nothing but whining from personal relationships. The money raise didn't end up in there by accident or because owners just like paying guys that may never see the actual field. The NFLPA with De Smith at it's head got these favorable terms for lower end guys.
Nail on head.
 
jterrell;4001222 said:
Not sure if anyone saw the actual settlement but the largest item that surprised me was a 55K per year/slot bump in player minimums. --not good for the cowboys cap but good for the 90% of players supposedly left in cold.

That means ALL low end guys get raises while higher end deals come back to the pack.

The biggest reduction will come from the rookie deals top 10 draft picks. Sam Bradford is a lucky man to have gotten that last sweetheart number 1 deal.

The next guy will wait 5 years and have to be proven excellent to get a deal like that.
Uh oh, be careful. That number is chum in the water for some people.

I doubt you get skewered though. You haven't dared to disagree with those same people.
 
Laugh at the claim that the higher end guys will be making less. That really is funny. Nmadi will prove that wrong the first day of FA.
 
It is too bad Smith didn't give a cookie to all of the starving people of the world .. he could have cured world hunger all by himself using that logic.

I was stunned when I learned how little salary-wise the non-elite players are benefiting from the new CBA .. then again, I guess I should not have been.

-Reality
 
jterrell;4001312 said:
This argument doesn't even come close to flying much less being reality.

The end of the roster guys got raises of higher than 10% while the salary cap as a whole shrunk a fair amount.

Arguing this was a low priority for De Smith is both weak and intellectually dishonest. You have zero evidence that was the case and in fact are poo-pooing a fair raise where other players took pay cuts.

Fringe NFL players making 460 K per year is a good thing.

This argument was always out of left field and base don absolutely nothing but whining from personal relationships. The money raise didn't end up in there by accident or because owners just like paying guys that may never see the actual field. The NFLPA with De Smith at it's head got these favorable terms for lower end guys.


I have to admit that some of your statements have merit. Hey, the Postal Union negotiated at the level of Congress for it's Collective Bargaining Contract a few months ago. They couldn't get so much as a cost of living increase for two years of a five year contract. But they are a 'real' Union and the Player's Association is entirely in a league of their own.

Strictly on level of philosophical truths, one could also claim morale high ground for a group of shipwrecked and island marooned people for not giving up. As they slowly die from inadequate food supply and water to support their lives.

One can mentally attempt to regroup them as a 'common Joe' and say, hey, the Union headed by Smith walked on water for you. But they live in an exagerated life and circumstances, and resort of comparison to a common citizen, even a member of a Union, is in a transitionary manner to begin with.

Myself, I would be tremendously happy with a gross income bonanza of over fifty thousand dollars in ANY given year. Again, as was brought out on thread, I wouldn't move out too much space in one's trophy case for awards on principal here.

Players have walked into the ranks equal to ownership, and on the principal of collective rights fought for and created by a completely different and actually impoverished workforce that were the real cause of the birth of a body in the federal, state, and local levels that deals with labor.

Smith has coattailed his own aspirations to becoming a future Senator, upon ensuring standards already on the books, created financial burdens that had to be addressed by owners and the formation of a real advantage in negotiations. When Eugene Upshaw assumed leadership of a floundering Union, emotion and earned respect was the negotiable element. That was when conscience was still a realistic element in the process.

Smith, wisely, coattailed solidarity respect to the tune of the day this time. And watered, at the end, a sense of entitlement and validation of pride within the ranks of the players. That part has merit, indeed. But with some of his discolored stances and ill placed comments much earlier in the negotiations, one has to doubt the degree of sincerity that he now holds his head at, now that the efforts of an entire group have evolved.

The fact remains also, that if not for the appearance of a whole and idealized need, there would have been even less rewards for those truely on the lower end of things. Their sacrifices, physical demands, and commitment to the sport are no less important than the top producers on the field. The consideration comes from a comparison of top end and bottom end of money...not merit.

Thus enters the comments upon the fragility of the player good enough to play in the NFL; who has paid his due and deserves a legitimate right to maintain his professional status; but will now be cut due to top end being fueled by a system that now inhibits cost via new members, the drafted. The journeymen group that is.

This will bring more heat and consternation to the very players who should be shielded by a Union. No, it still promulgates the rich, and headed by a person who proved that he would wield any sword available to pursue his own agenda and directions as well.

Do I think gains that are positive have been contractually gained by a body fighting for just those types of gains? Yea, Smith was successful in directing his soldiers in a battle. Did he win the war? No, he didn't...as logic and accountability was shouldered by the Owners and the NFL as well. It was a joint effort.

High end morales are distorted in a full plate of merit being given out, although. As the whole business, on a player's side, is short termed and totally based upon high end money as it's objective. Once the merit hits the courts and negotiations although.

But the gamble and responsibility for maintaining a successful, albeit sport venue, still rests upon the NFL ownership. And to their credit, they adjusted to benefit a continuing environment of increased wealth and player protections, while additionally stabilizing the whole industry for long enough to weather current and worldwide monetary crisis. I have to give faith and respect there, but appreciate Smith for gaining for the players at the same time.
 
NinePointOh;4001624 said:
I, for one, would be ecstatic to get a "token" 10% raise.

:) Lol, a fan might be tempted to shout out: "Hey, don't hit our high-priced, low end roster player!"
 

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