Does the Tush Push get banned today?

[DasTex]

I believe the vote is today...what's your call?

 

[Forneymike]

I believe the vote is today...what's your call?

I don't think they will position it that way but will restrict greatly how much a runner can be assisted including on a QB sneak to deal with this so it is really just a QB sneak now

 

[Streifenkarl]

I hope it won't get banned.

 

[Reality]

I am not sure if they will stop it, at least not today, since so far there have been no injuries and there is a valid argument around the idea that it's football and the defense should learn how to stop it.

That said, I have often wondered if an offense might not try that strategy regularly, not just in short-yard situations.

For example, bring your strongest lineman (offense and defense) on the field and have them form a bubble that pushes down field while 2-3 of them protect the back and side areas.

When the defenses counter by fielding all of their big guys, then you could focus on adding in your fastest lineman with great hands to function as eligible receivers and pass the ball to them.

If a team could average 5+ yards per play, they would control the clock and methodically drive down the field and score.

Fans of course would hate watching that type of football for much or most of the game which would ultimately hurt the NFL's product and drive them to put a stop to it.

In the meantime, the counter arguments will remain .. teams only use it rarely in short yardage situations and there have been no major injuries from it.

Until either of those changes, there will likely be enough NFL teams to vote in support of it.

 

[Ranching]

I am not sure if they will stop it, at least not today, since so far there have been no injuries and there is a valid argument around the idea that it's football and the defense should learn how to stop it.

That said, I have often wondered if an offense might not try that strategy regularly, not just in short-yard situations.

For example, bring your strongest lineman (offense and defense) on the field and have them form a bubble that pushes down field while 2-3 of them protect the back and side areas.

When the defenses counter by fielding all of their big guys, then you could focus on adding in your fastest lineman with great hands to function as eligible receivers and pass the ball to them.

If a team could average 5+ yards per play, they would control the clock and methodically drive down the field and score.

Fans of course would hate watching that type of football for much or most of the game which would ultimately hurt the NFL's product and drive them to put a stop to it.

In the meantime, the counter arguments will remain .. teams only use it rarely in short yardage situations and there have been no major injuries from it.

Until either of those changes, there will likely be enough NFL teams to vote in support of it.

I think the chance of injury is high and you can't even practice against it, because of this.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

It will but it shouldn’t.

 

[thunderpimp91]

My guess is that it gets some sort of ban, but it really doesnt matter. What do they ban? The OL firing out? Thats gonna ruin the game. The actual tush push aspect from the backs? I just dont believe that is the driving force behind the play.

I have zero doubts that Hurts could run a standard QB sneak behind that OL with nearly the same results. If this were a formational advantage then every single team in the league would be able to replicate it, but we are yet to really see that happen.

 

[blueblood70]

I believe the vote is today...what's your call?

NO, It's not illegal,

so I don't see it just cause one team does it more than anyone doesn't mean you ban it the only reason they are feeling pressure cause people are complaining about it and say it can cause more injuries,

but the problem I see with it is the referees once again ignoring when people are lining up offsides or when they're starting offsides or they're huge starting before the snap...

I mean the whole thing at times looks illegal, they just need to enforce it more you want to stop the Eagles from running it so much, throw a flag on it every time you don't need a rule, just throw flags, lots of flags ruin their day by throwing many flags...

So, when they're forced to do it correctly within legal parameters, they'll probably do it a whole lot less because it's not going to be as effective...

 

[Carter]

Cool that takes away about 50% of the Eagles Offense lol

 

[kskboys]

I believe the vote is today...what's your call?

I hope so. It's getting players injured. It was never a good idea when they started allowing it, 2006 I think it was.

 

[kskboys]

It will but it shouldn’t.

Why not? It was illegal until recently.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think the chance of injury is high and you can't even practice against it, because of this.

I'm not sure that you're wrong, as a lot of people smarter than me have said something similar. My question though is has anyone actually been injured during this play? It just seems to me that this play has been ran several times every week for the last two seasons so we should have a decent sample size to gauge this type of injury risk from a pool of data. I just dont remember hearing about anyone getting seriously injured from this play. The inability to practice against it is very real, but that's also 90% of plays anymore with the the bulk of practices being just shells.

 

[Bullflop]

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I'd like to see the "Tush Push" get banned. I don't think it's fair to the defense to keep it alive. It's just a feeling that the RB should rightly do that job by himself. I don't feel that the game was meant for the o-linemen to assume the RB's job. It's just a poor excuse to cheat.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I think the ban will pass. Most owners, especially the ones who coach rarely or don't use it, will probably vote according to what their head coach wants. I think most coaches would rather see it banned.



No team uses the QB sneak more frequently or more effectively than the Eagles. According to TruMedia, the Eagles have run their quarterback 122 times in 1-yard-to-go situations since 2022. The Bills (74), Steelers (55) and Broncos (52) are the only teams who have surpassed 50 such runs. The Eagles scored 30 touchdowns and gained 105 first downs in that span.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It will but it shouldn’t.

Fly eagle fly

 

[Reality]

I think the chance of injury is high and you can't even practice against it, because of this.

That's very true and I think at some point especially when the game is on the line, one or more players on the defense are going to get more aggressive toward legs and knees which could lead to some serious injuries.

The problem is that so far, serious injuries have not occurred so it makes it easy for half the league to support allowing it.

 

[atlantacowboy]

They should ban it for the same reason they banned catapult plays. It creates unnecessary risk to player safety.

 

[kskboys]

That's very true and I think at some point especially when the game is on the line, one or more players on the defense are going to get more aggressive toward legs and knees which could lead to some serious injuries.

The problem is that so far, serious injuries have not occurred so it makes it easy for half the league to support allowing it.

Didn't Hurts sustain his injury running it?

 

[Spottswoode]

I don’t think it will be but I do think it creates an unfair advantage.

A defense is never going to be able to match the offensive leverage because they also have to respect other plays/players. Add in that the offense knows the snap count and it’s a big offensive advantage.

Credit to Philly for their creativity. The goal is to create mismatches and the tush push does do that. But I think there should be limitations.

 

[kskboys]

They should ban it for the same reason they banned catapult plays. It creates unnecessary risk to player safety.

Yup. Same reason they banned horse collar tackles.