Does the Tush Push get banned today?

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I hope so. Not a fan of the "Tush Push" or any plays where the offense is allowed to push or pull a player for more yards before the whistle.
 
I don't think it will get banned today, but I like the Packers' new proposal. I do not think a runner should be assisted by his teammates. I believe pushing, pulling, or carrying a runner forward should be illegal. Having a pile moving forward down the field may look cool, and the announcers love to give all the credit to the runner even though it is his teammates pushing him forward, but to me it looks more like rugby than American football. Football was great to watch when this was illegal and it will be just a good when it is made illegal again.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
It was stupid to make it legal to push or pull ballcarriers in the first place.
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It's not if it gets banned, it's how it gets banned. If you go back to the old rules where you cannot aid a ball carrier by pushing him, that's totally fine. They should not have changed that rule. But if they do something stupid and try to ban a specific play, that I'm against.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
It was stupid to make it legal to push or pull ballcarriers in the first place.
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I don't see the problem with the pushing that's part of football long as he's moving to his legs and you're not holding on the guy there's a difference between grabbing him and then forcing him forward if you're literally just in a scrum like they are sometimes in small spaces you should be able to push him from behind he's in the way the whole play is flowing that way but yeah you should not be LO to grab pick up and elevate a guy forward nor should you ever be able to pull a guy forward...

You can't make a general looking play where everyone's pushing everyone forward on short yardage that happens all the time you can't stop that..

But what you can stop is the illegal formations jumping off sides lining up improperly on the line of scrimmage starting too soon you know there's a lot of stuff about that play that's illegal they don't have to ban the play they could just start throwing so many flags on it that the Eagles don't want to run it as much because they're going to be first in 15 or first in 20 an awful lot..
 
I'm with Brad Sham... or at least it's my recollection that he's the one who put the thought in my puny head.

It's not just about a tush push. It's about the larger and more common issue where you have offensive linemen playing rugby and pushing the ball carrier 5, 10 and 15 yards down the field.

I wasn't in favor of anything that would single out a team for its success. But given that bigger picture, I'm a convert. As I understand how this rule is written, it will eliminate all of that, and I have to agree that that's a positive.
 
Flamma said:
It's not if it gets banned, it's how it gets banned. If you go back to the old rules where you cannot aid a ball carrier by pushing him, that's totally fine. They should not have changed that rule. But if they do something stupid and try to ban a specific play, that I'm against.
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I agree but you shouldn't be able to hold on to the guy with two hands and get a fistful of jerseys and push him forward simply pushing him from his back should be legal that's normal football but lifting him up or trying to toss him in or pulling him in is not legal and it should never be legal..
 
Roger Goodell has the owners' ear. He can be influential for how the owners vote.

Goodell enjoys being a contrarian to Jerry Jones' wishes. Just likes doing the opposite of what Jones wants.

Jones could use reverse psychology and say he will vote in favor of keeping the tush push. Consequently, Goodell would champion the need for banning it.

Unfortunately, Jones is not that smart.

The tush push will not get banned.
 
phildadon86 said:
The rules don't allow you to stop it.

I think that is the main problem. You cant stop it without getting a penalty.
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But nobody really does it but the Eagles.

Why can’t every other team use it effectively?

If only one team is benefitting from it then why take that from them? It just seems like they’re being punished for being much better at something than everyone else.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
But nobody really does it but the Eagles.

Why can’t every other team use it effectively?

If only one team is benefitting from it then why take that from them? It just seems like they’re being punished for being much better at something than everyone else.
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They say it's not dangerous...and I don't believe there have been any major injuries...but...it looks like a mega dangerous play. That would be my only concern...other than that....let 'em line up and play.
 
Goodell will get what he wants. He tabled the vote when he ascertained he only had 16 votes to ban it. 24 are needed. They’ve altered the proposal to make it more general and less specific to what the Eagles do.

Funny how Goodell has the Packers propose it, as no ownership group wants to be the one cowardly enough to propose banning it. Calling it a safety issue when no player has been injured on the play is as disingenuous as it gets.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
But nobody really does it but the Eagles.

Why can’t every other team use it effectively?

If only one team is benefitting from it then why take that from them? It just seems like they’re being punished for being much better at something than everyone else.
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Every other team doesnt have the OL that Philly does for one lol. For the record I was only commenting on your plan to stop it. You cant stop it. Its illegal to stop. That is the issue I have with it. Its basically a loophole in the system.
 
Reality said:
I am not sure if they will stop it, at least not today, since so far there have been no injuries and there is a valid argument around the idea that it's football and the defense should learn how to stop it.

That said, I have often wondered if an offense might not try that strategy regularly, not just in short-yard situations.

For example, bring your strongest lineman (offense and defense) on the field and have them form a bubble that pushes down field while 2-3 of them protect the back and side areas.

When the defenses counter by fielding all of their big guys, then you could focus on adding in your fastest lineman with great hands to function as eligible receivers and pass the ball to them.

If a team could average 5+ yards per play, they would control the clock and methodically drive down the field and score.

Fans of course would hate watching that type of football for much or most of the game which would ultimately hurt the NFL's product and drive them to put a stop to it.

In the meantime, the counter arguments will remain .. teams only use it rarely in short yardage situations and there have been no major injuries from it.

Until either of those changes, there will likely be enough NFL teams to vote in support of it.
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That sound like rugby? lol
 
I think it's going to get banned because that's what Goodell clearly wants. I think he's a disingenuous punk the way he's going about it, having another team (with no single owner, of course) front the proposal for him and bringing up nonsense arguments about safety with no basis in any evidence. I'd have at least a small amount respect, or understanding I suppose, for him doing this if he just came out and was truthful. That would be him saying that he doesn't think it's good for the NFL to have a team converting 4th & short at such a high rate, thus taking drama out of those situations. But he's too cowardly for some reason to do that so he's using excuses and swinging quiet deals behind the scenes to pull owners who are on the fence about it to his side.

The general idea though of punishing a team for being innovative within the rules and utilizing their strength is an extremely poor precedent and represents lousy leadership from the league. It demonstrates that any team that's innovative in a way that some other owners/coaches/GMs don't like and won't try to replicate for some reason can be slapped down for their innovation.

It's time for Goodell to retire already, but that won't happen soon with the salary he's collecting.
 
The proposal was modified to ban any pushing of the ball carrier.
So, it's the tush push or the 5 OL running to help create a mosh pit for the ball carrier trying to get a first down.

The original tush push ban was supposedly split down the middle the first time this offseason it was brought up

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ckers-submit-revision-tush-push-rule-proposal

Ahead of a vote that could ban the tush push, the Green Bay Packers submitted a revision of their rule proposal that would more broadly ban pushing or pulling the ball carrier anywhere on the field.

In the proposal's updated language, "offensive players cannot assist the runner except by individually blocking opponents for him." The Packers also eliminated "immediately at the snap," in the updated language.
 
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