Does this line have to be blown up?

[neosapien23]

I was just thinking about the Oline and how it has been an achilles heal to this team for far to long. I am not trying to be negative but rather realistic. I think the entire Oline is in need of some serious retooling with no easy quick fix in site. I hope I'm wrong but it appears that Rivera and Flozell are done. I really think the boys need to spend a little money this offseason on the Oline and spend some draft picks as well.

I would like to see the following players targeted in free agency.

1. Derrick Dockery G Commanders. This guys plays pretty well and he could still get better. Unlike most FA lineman he is young and will be with his new team for a long time.

2. Vincent Manui G Jaguars. Plays with alot of strength and is hardly ever beaten physcially by his man.

3. Leonard Davis T Cardinals. An unrestricted free agent who probably wants to get out of Arizona. If he doesn't break the brank, bring him on board. He is nothing special, but he doesn't suck either. Plus he gots a nasty streak that might rub off on his teammates.

As for the draft:

1. With the first pick take the best OT available in the draft.

Joe Thomas, Levi Brown, (insert your favorite college tackle here).


Our line would then look like this:

LT Levi Brown, LG Winner of the Dockery/ Kosier battle, C Gurode, RG Vincent Manui, and RT Leonard Davis

Cut Adams and Rivera and get it over with. Their contracts should not be too expensive at this point.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was just thinking about the Oline and how it has been an achilles heal to this team for far to long. I am not trying to be negative but rather realistic. I think the entire Oline is in need of some serious retooling with no easy quick fix in site. I hope I'm wrong but it appears that Rivera and Flozell are done. I really think the boys need to spend a little money this offseason on the Oline and spend some draft picks as well.

I would like to see the following players targeted in free agency.

1. Derrick Dockery G Commanders. This guys plays pretty well and he could still get better. Unlike most FA lineman he is young and will be with his new team for a long time.

2. Vincent Manui G Jaguars. Plays with alot of strength and is hardly ever beaten physcially by his man.

3. Leonard Davis T Cardinals. An unrestricted free agent who probably wants to get out of Arizona. If he doesn't break the brank, bring him on board. He is nothing special, but he doesn't suck either. Plus he gots a nasty streak that might rub off on his teammates.

As for the draft:

1. With the first pick take the best OT available in the draft.

Joe Thomas, Levi Brown, (insert your favorite college tackle here).


Our line would then look like this:

LT Levi Brown, LG Winner of the Dockery/ Kosier battle, C Gurode, RG Vincent Manui, and RT Leonard Davis

Cut Adams and Rivera and get it over with. Their contracts should not be too expensive at this point.

I think there will be changes next season on the line. We will just wait and see at that time

 

[JPM]

I like Levi, and I also like Kyle Young, we do need to add a high draft pick on the OL, and hope he works out, unlike Peterman and Rogers, and Al Johnson.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I was just thinking about the Oline and how it has been an achilles heal to this team for far to long. I am not trying to be negative but rather realistic. I think the entire Oline is in need of some serious retooling with no easy quick fix in site. I hope I'm wrong but it appears that Rivera and Flozell are done. I really think the boys need to spend a little money this offseason on the Oline and spend some draft picks as well.

I would like to see the following players targeted in free agency.

1. Derrick Dockery G Commanders. This guys plays pretty well and he could still get better. Unlike most FA lineman he is young and will be with his new team for a long time.

2. Vincent Manui G Jaguars. Plays with alot of strength and is hardly ever beaten physcially by his man.

3. Leonard Davis T Cardinals. An unrestricted free agent who probably wants to get out of Arizona. If he doesn't break the brank, bring him on board. He is nothing special, but he doesn't suck either. Plus he gots a nasty streak that might rub off on his teammates.

As for the draft:

1. With the first pick take the best OT available in the draft.

Joe Thomas, Levi Brown, (insert your favorite college tackle here).


Our line would then look like this:

LT Levi Brown, LG Winner of the Dockery/ Kosier battle, C Gurode, RG Vincent Manui, and RT Leonard Davis

Cut Adams and Rivera and get it over with. Their contracts should not be too expensive at this point.

I have never liked the idea of drafting OL early. Where OL are picked is no indication of whether they can play at this level. Look at last years high picks,, I think only 2 are even dressing on Sunday. I would use the other approach,, YOUNG FA OL or even trade, we have some good depth at LB, we canget OL with trades. I would use the 1st on a WR, the 2nd on an OL. then no more til the 6th.. use every pick in the 6th and 7th on Best Lineman left. and let them fight it out at TC.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I was just thinking about the Oline and how it has been an achilles heal to this team for far to long. I am not trying to be negative but rather realistic. I think the entire Oline is in need of some serious retooling with no easy quick fix in site. I hope I'm wrong but it appears that Rivera and Flozell are done. I really think the boys need to spend a little money this offseason on the Oline and spend some draft picks as well.

I would like to see the following players targeted in free agency.

1. Derrick Dockery G Commanders. This guys plays pretty well and he could still get better. Unlike most FA lineman he is young and will be with his new team for a long time.

2. Vincent Manui G Jaguars. Plays with alot of strength and is hardly ever beaten physcially by his man.

3. Leonard Davis T Cardinals. An unrestricted free agent who probably wants to get out of Arizona. If he doesn't break the brank, bring him on board. He is nothing special, but he doesn't suck either. Plus he gots a nasty streak that might rub off on his teammates.

As for the draft:

1. With the first pick take the best OT available in the draft.

Joe Thomas, Levi Brown, (insert your favorite college tackle here).


Our line would then look like this:

LT Levi Brown, LG Winner of the Dockery/ Kosier battle, C Gurode, RG Vincent Manui, and RT Leonard Davis

Cut Adams and Rivera and get it over with. Their contracts should not be too expensive at this point.

Also, I am NOT sold this O line is has bad as it is be accused of. There have not been many times this year, the OL has been beat physically. When defenders are running free, its more of a scheme problem than talent problem. I think a good OL coach goes along way in fixing the problems.. even we don't make one change.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

So,, why do I keep getting these feelings of Deja Vu? year after year?

everybody and their dog knows what the team needs,,, let's see if the brain-trust quits hoping for miracles and actually does something about it!

 

[braw]

I have rewatched the game and looked at the OL on all the sacks. The strahan sacks were easy because he was not blocked period. On the first one the DT lines up in the middle of OG and OT. The OT blocks down leaving the wide DE unblocked...whos fault don't know.

Next Strahan sack. initially everybody is blocked but the DT takes up the OG and the RB, so Strahan once blocked go around the DT(who is being blocked by OG and RB while the OC is engaged as well) the whole between the OG and OT is big. So Strahan loops around into the hole and the OT could not get around the bunch of DT,OG, and RB...Whos fault don't know

The arrington sack was a blitz who came between the OG and OT. In this play the OT blocks Strahan and the LB comes free...Who is to blame don't know

You see on the 1st sack the OT blocks down and Strahan makes the sack and on Arrington's sack the OT blocks Strahan and the inside guy makes the sack.

The flea flicker was blocked but Arrington came in on Witten who was blocking him to the inside. When JuJo flickers it back then he helps Witten the whole left side is open but Bledsoe does not side step at all.

Osi just beats Koiser because Bledsoe held the ball too longon the 4th sack.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I have rewatched the game and looked at the OL on all the sacks. The strahan sacks were easy because he was not blocked period. On the first one the DT lines up in the middle of OG and OT. The OT blocks down leaving the wide DE unblocked...whos fault don't know.

Next Strahan sack. initially everybody is blocked but the DT takes up the OG and the RB, so Strahan once blocked go around the DT(who is being blocked by OG and RB while the OC is engaged as well) the whole between the OG and OT is big. So Strahan loops around into the hole and the OT could not get around the bunch of DT,OG, and RB...Whos fault don't know

The arrington sack was a blitz who came between the OG and OT. In this play the OT blocks Strahan and the LB comes free...Who is to blame don't know

You see on the 1st sack the OT blocks down and Strahan makes the sack and on Arrington's sack the OT blocks Strahan and the inside guy makes the sack.

The flea flicker was blocked but Arrington came in on Witten who was blocking him to the inside. When JuJo flickers it back then he helps Witten the whole left side is open but Bledsoe does not side step at all.

Osi just beats Koiser because Bledsoe held the ball too longon the 4th sack.

Both Strahan sacks and Arrington's sack are on Bledsoe.

On the first Strahan sack, Bledsoe saw him coming, chopped his feet a few times and waited to get hit.

Strahan's second sack was also Bledsoe but this was much more obvious to the average fan. Strahan ran from the right sideline to the left sideline then back to the middle and Bledsoe was still standing in the same spot patting the ball.

On Arrington's sack, Bledsoe made a mistake before the ball was even snapped. Arrington and Strahan were both coming over Columbo, who probably should have blocked down on Arrington but picked Strahan. Jones was left to pick up the other. He was too deep to get to Arrington in time because it seemed as though he knew the snap count (maybe it wasn't Johnson tipping it last year as rumoured but either Rivera or Bledsoe). But anyway, Bledsoe failed to recognize a very simple blitz and was sacked for it.



The bottom line is that there is nothing "wrong" with this line. If Romo plays out the year, he won't get sacked more than twenty times and people will finally realize that Bledsoe makes lines look worse than they are to the average fan.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

keep Kosier, Gurode and Columbo, get rid of Rivera

move Flozell to RT, plug in McQ in his spot at LT

for the RG vacated by Rivera leaving, use a 3rd/4th on a converted OT

 

[Cowboy4ever]

keep Kosier, Gurode and Columbo, get rid of Rivera

move Flozell to RT, plug in McQ in his spot at LT

for the RG vacated by Rivera leaving, use a 3rd/4th on a converted OT

Just to play Devil's advocate.. on your team.. you would have a 2yr player..with no playing experience, playing LT, and a rookie,, playing RG and expect it to be better than it is now?

I agree that some changes need to be made.. mainly to the coaching staff.. but if I have to get players, I would. I would sign a FA LT that has game experience. I would keep Koiser.. Andre.. If procter is ready, play him and Columbo at RT.

I would cut both Flo and Marco. I would draft about 3 OL, in late rounds for depth. NOW if Pat is ready.. of course this would change alot.. but I don't know if I trust an unproven player protecting the blindside. We also have that Kid on the IR that Bill was High on at the beginning of TC.. so who knows what we have there. He might be ready to go, play center.. and move Andre to RG. But some changes will be made.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

keep Kosier, Gurode and Columbo, get rid of Rivera

move Flozell to RT, plug in McQ in his spot at LT

for the RG vacated by Rivera leaving, use a 3rd/4th on a converted OT

I say move Flo to right, keep Kosier and Gurode where they are.

We need to draft a fairly high LT to compete with McQ.

Also draft another stud OG to compete with Proctor or get another Kosier type OG to compete.

Bye Rivera...

 

[speedkilz88]

Its going to be pretty obvious in the upcoming games that the oline isn't as bad as everyone thinks. Bledsoe was not making the proper reads.

 

[superpunk]

No, it doesn't.

If you watch the games, and I mean really watch them, the line is performing well for the most part. There are too many mental errors, which results in guys coming unblocked. This does not require blowing up, it requires better coaching or more familiarity with the schemes you're running.

You blow up lines that are just being physically overmatched week in and week out. That's not the case here.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

No, it doesn't.

If you watch the games, and I mean really watch them, the line is performing well for the most part. There are too many mental errors, which results in guys coming unblocked. This does not require blowing up, it requires better coaching or more familiarity with the schemes you're running.

You blow up lines that are just being physically overmatched week in and week out. That's not the case here.

I agree with you, with the exception that Flo is a RT...period.

Rivera is not what he was...i'd like to upgrade him, but keep everything else becaue the more we mess with it the longer they will take to jel.

 

[Pokeness]

:bang2: Yes the whole line needs to be blown up and rebuilt from scratch with the exception of TE's!

1. With the first pick take the best OT available in the draft.

Joe Thomas, Levi Brown, (insert your favorite college tackle here).

Aaron Sears, OT, 6-4 320 University of Tennessee

 

[CrazyCowboy]

3. Leonard Davis T Cardinals. An unrestricted free agent who probably wants to get out of Arizona. If he doesn't break the brank, bring him on board. He is nothing special, but he doesn't suck either. Plus he gots a nasty streak that might rub off on his teammates.

Ah,,,,,,,NO

 

[AtlCB]

The coaches seem to blow up this line every year. Flo is playing through an injury, Kosier is new to the system, Gurode is playing well, Rivera in decent, and Columbo is playing for the first time in years. We have two potentially good players in McQuistan and Proctor. We have a decent backup center in Johnson. Offensive linemen need plenty of time to gel. I only see Rivera as a possible casualty at the end of the year. The other four will start, unless McQuistan beats Adams out next year.

 

[speedkilz88]

Al Johnson is a free agent at the end of they year and teams tried to trade for him so there is a demand for the guy. Gurode is also a free agent so, one of them needs to be retained, but the other(Johnson) will likely move on.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Al Johnson is a free agent at the end of they year and teams tried to trade for him so there is a demand for the guy. Gurode is also a free agent so, one of them needs to be retained, but the other(Johnson) will likely move on.

Not to mention that Flo will be heading into the final year of his contract, I can see him being released for that reason,, not worth what he will be paid. I think, we will bring in a FA LT to challenge Pat for the starting role.. Kosier stays, Andre stays.. Proctor will be the RG and Columbo stays.

We have that kid on IR that could be a back up center,, Keep Fabini as the swing tackle and draft a few OL for depth..