Doing the unthinkable

[Killerinstinct]

What if Ronnie Stanley is the best player on the board when Dallas picks?

It's not hard to imagine a scenario where this happens. Let's say we are picking 6th and the following players are off the board.

Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Lynch, and Jaylon Smith. This would leave Stanley as the highest ranking player. Maybe you ignore the board and go for need Goff or Myles Jack.

Or maybe Your evaluation of Goff leaves you wanting and Myles Jack's injury history has you passing on him. So now not only is Stanley your highest rated player on the board but it is not even close.

Maybe you try to trade back but have no suitors.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that they take Stanley. This might create a riot on the boards here but might be the smartest move. Let's say, they address the backup QB spot through a trade. Glennon, Mettenberger, or mine and Jerry's favorite option Manziel.

Now you have an entire offensive line made up of 1st rd talents. Is it overkill or is it the perfect situation for cap manipulation going forward? We all know one of the best ways to manipulate the cap is to restructure and extend players with large contracts. In my opinion the best positions to do that with are offensive lineman. I think we will see it done with Tyron this year. Why are offensive lineman the best positions to use to manipulate the cap? Because they have a longer shelf life and tend to not have a drop off in their level of play until later in their careers.

Dallas will be losing most of their big cap killers in the next few years. Romo, Witten, and probably Carr this offseason. As these high contract players leave, Fred, Martin and Collins will be due for new contracts. Those new contracts can be written specifically for cap manipulation going forward as they can be restructured and extended and then eventually years down the line the same could be done with Stanley.

So not only do you have a young dominant offensive line but you can use them for cap purposes as you have a better chance of them living up to their contracts well into their 30's.

I am not advocating this as I am all about fixing the secondary but I could see the merit in it.

Agree? Disagree? Crazy?

 

[John813]

I would have to pass.

As nice as it would be, this season has shown we lack in the secondary dept, WR(outside of DEZ), QB(backup/future) and even linebacker.

 

[IAmLegend]

Zero chance we go OL in the 1st. Worst case scenario they would likely trade back and acquire picks. But if we end up with a top 5 or 6 pick, that shouldn't be an issue.

 

[cds99]

Goff without a second doubt. That many 1st on the oline is overkill

 

[50cent]

I'd bypass all of them and snatch Laquon Treadwell.

 

[tyke1doe]

OL would be overkill. It would also say that your coaches aren't good at developing players.
You have to spread the "love" around so, if there's someone of equal talent at another position, you take that player.

 

[Killerinstinct]

Let me reiterate some things that were already said and spell it out further.

You evaluated Goff and didn't like him. Went another route. Traded for Mettenberger, Glennon or Manziel. Goff is not a consideration. You tried to trade back but had no takers or maybe the only offers you received were of bad value.

You (jerry and Stephen) Told Mcclay and the coaches to do their evaluations and prepare a draft board. This is what they presented you with.

1. Bosa
2. Tunsil
3. Ramsey
4. Stanley
5. Paxton Lynch
6. Jaylon Smith
7. Nkemdiche
8. Deroest Bunkner
9. Taylor Decker
10. Myles Jack
11. Laquan Treadwell

You thank Mcclay and you and Stephen are deciding what to do. Bosa, Tunsil, Ramsey, Lynch and Smith are gone. You can't find a trade back partner. You remove Nkemdiche because he falls out of windows while smoking crack or whatever. You pass on Bunkner because you resigned Hardy and Mincey and are set at DE. Decker is also an OT and rated below Stanley. You like Jack but he has the injury problem and you have been down this road before with Lee.

Do you pass on the 4th best player on your board even though you are ready to move on from Free and Chaz Green has shown nothing?

You pass on a top 4 player to take the 11th player on your board?

 

[bayeslife]

Worst case scenario, yes I take Stanley because you can't pass on him to take someone with a much lower draft grade.

But this is a 1/100 scenario I see happening I wouldn't sweat it.

 

[gmoney112]

Nope. Trade back. Top 100-150 in this draft have talent.

You just can't have that many premium picks devoted to one position. Especially when we're weak in quite a few other areas

 

[Dhragon]

Nope. Trade back. Top 100-150 in this draft have talent.

You just can't have that many premium picks devoted to one position. Especially when we're weak in quite a few other areas

In his scenario any trades offered to trade back are of bad value. So you'd take a bad value trade anyway?

If they really didn't want Goff, then they should go Treadwell IMO. Could use another real deal WR.

 

[darthseinfeld]

What if Ronnie Stanley is the best player on the board when Dallas picks?

It's not hard to imagine a scenario where this happens. Let's say we are picking 6th and the following players are off the board.

Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Lynch, and Jaylon Smith. This would leave Stanley as the highest ranking player. Maybe you ignore the board and go for need Goff or Myles Jack.

Or maybe Your evaluation of Goff leaves you wanting and Myles Jack's injury history has you passing on him. So now not only is Stanley your highest rated player on the board but it is not even close.

Maybe you try to trade back but have no suitors.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that they take Stanley. This might create a riot on the boards here but might be the smartest move. Let's say, they address the backup QB spot through a trade. Glennon, Mettenberger, or mine and Jerry's favorite option Manziel.

Now you have an entire offensive line made up of 1st rd talents. Is it overkill or is it the perfect situation for cap manipulation going forward? We all know one of the best ways to manipulate the cap is to restructure and extend players with large contracts. In my opinion the best positions to do that with are offensive lineman. I think we will see it done with Tyron this year. Why are offensive lineman the best positions to use to manipulate the cap? Because they have a longer shelf life and tend to not have a drop off in their level of play until later in their careers.

Dallas will be losing most of their big cap killers in the next few years. Romo, Witten, and probably Carr this offseason. As these high contract players leave, Fred, Martin and Collins will be due for new contracts. Those new contracts can be written specifically for cap manipulation going forward as they can be restructured and extended and then eventually years down the line the same could be done with Stanley.

So not only do you have a young dominant offensive line but you can use them for cap purposes as you have a better chance of them living up to their contracts well into their 30's.

I am not advocating this as I am all about fixing the secondary but I could see the merit in it.

Agree? Disagree? Crazy?

I take Goff because I have him just behind Lynch and right round where Stanley is

 

[darthseinfeld]

Let me reiterate some things that were already said and spell it out further.

You evaluated Goff and didn't like him. Went another route. Traded for Mettenberger, Glennon or Manziel. Goff is not a consideration. You tried to trade back but had no takers or maybe the only offers you received were of bad value.

You (jerry and Stephen) Told Mcclay and the coaches to do their evaluations and prepare a draft board. This is what they presented you with.

1. Bosa
2. Tunsil
3. Ramsey
4. Stanley
5. Paxton Lynch
6. Jaylon Smith
7. Nkemdiche
8. Deroest Bunkner
9. Taylor Decker
10. Myles Jack
11. Laquan Treadwell

You thank Mcclay and you and Stephen are deciding what to do. Bosa, Tunsil, Ramsey, Lynch and Smith are gone. You can't find a trade back partner. You remove Nkemdiche because he falls out of windows while smoking crack or whatever. You pass on Bunkner because you resigned Hardy and Mincey and are set at DE. Decker is also an OT and rated below Stanley. You like Jack but he has the injury problem and you have been down this road before with Lee.

Do you pass on the 4th best player on your board even though you are ready to move on from Free and Chaz Green has shown nothing?

You pass on a top 4 player to take the 11th player on your board?

First thing I do is fire McClay for not having Hargreaves in the Top 11

 

[Killerinstinct]

First thing I do is fire McClay for not having Hargreaves in the Top 11

Hargreaves is at 12 on the board and you have just stumbled onto what I think the goal could be. There will be some looking to trade ahead of San Fran to nab Goff and others would be interested in Stanley. And even others interested in Miles Jack. This was just for fun to present a situation that would create an interesting scenario.

I fully expect if the draft went like this we would be trading back and would have plenty of suitors and Hargreaves III might just be our selection after a trade back. My next post will be the entire offseason. Cuts, Re-signs, F.A. trades and draft.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

This hypothetical is pretty ridiculous. Since you're playing God, what kind of socks is Jerry wearing the morning of the draft?

 

[waving monkey]

BPA is a guideline not a law. This rhetorical question is good because you can see
it's weakness when exposed to the light of day

 

[darthseinfeld]

Hargreaves is at 12 on the board and you have just stumbled onto what I think the goal could be. There will be some looking to trade ahead of San Fran to nab Goff and others would be interested in Stanley. And even others interested in Miles Jack. This was just for fun to present a situation that would create an interesting scenario.

I fully expect if the draft went like this we would be trading back and would have plenty of suitors and Hargreaves III might just be our selection after a trade back. My next post will be the entire offseason. Cuts, Re-signs, F.A. trades and draft.

If Hargreaves is 12th, your first move is to fire McClay

 

[Hardline]

I take BPA
And yes. I would ABSOLUTELY select Tunsil. I don't care how many OL the Cowboys selected lately. I will never pass up an elite talent at any position.

 

[Killerinstinct]

Waving Monkey and Hardline both make good arguments and is the purpose of this exercise.

I made it intentionally difficult in two ways.

1. Your not being asked to pick 5 over 4. You are being asked to pick between 4 and 11 or 12. That is a huge value difference. About 1800 vs 1250 using the points chart.
2. A starting OT is not a pressing need but it's not like it wouldn't be useful.

I also tried to make it a little more difficult by making an argument that contracts for O-lineman being the best avenue for salary cap manipulation but no one seemed to bite on that or argue the point at all.

Who's right? Waving Monkey or Hardline? Or am I playing God as suggested by another? LOL!

I think they are both right. In this example I would probably take Stanley but it would be different if there wasn't such a gap between the value of the two players.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Ahhhhhhhh that is unthinkable.

Best oline doesn't win you anything without QB's and playmakers.

 

[RandyOh]

I would Just go with Treadwell since we cant have a trade back. He's not on the same level as Amari Cooper last draft but he is not too far behind. He has pro bowl level talent potential and would cause nightmares for defensive coordinators who have to decide who to double up on.