Dolphins and the #1 overall pick

[Verdict]

If I were the Dolphins I would love to trade down a few spots and select one of the top 5 picks. The problem is they are probably not going to find a willing trading partner.


I have mentioned before that I believe the draft value chart is a bit antiquated due to the cap impact that a top 10 (particularly top 5 pick) will have on the team who drafts him. Otherwise, the drat chart is probably still pretty useful.


I KNOW that it is highly unlikely that the 'Fins would agree to swap the #1 overall pick to get the Cowboys two first round picks, but you have to consider the talent in the draft and its distribution. In reality, is there really a player in this draft that is worth the overall #1 pick. Arguably, there is not a player in this draft that is worth a pick in the top 5.

If the Dolphins traded for our two firsts, I'm not sure it wouldn't be a much better situation than where they are now. They are going to pay a boatload of money to get a player that could be a bust.

Conversely, if I was Jerry Jones, in this year's draft, I'm not sure I would trade the two #1's for the first overall pick, even though the draft value chart says it is a great deal for us.

 

[iceberg]

If I were the Dolphins I would love to trade down a few spots and select one of the top 5 picks. The problem is they are probably not going to find a willing trading partner.


I have mentioned before that I believe the draft value chart is a bit antiquated due to the cap impact that a top 10 (particularly top 5 pick) will have on the team who drafts him. Otherwise, the drat chart is probably still pretty useful.


I KNOW that it is highly unlikely that the 'Fins would agree to swap the #1 overall pick to get the Cowboys two first round picks, but you have to consider the talent in the draft and its distribution. In reality, is there really a player in this draft that is worth the overall #1 pick. Arguably, there is not a player in this draft that is worth a pick in the top 5.

If the Dolphins traded for our two firsts, I'm not sure it wouldn't be a much better situation than where they are now. They are going to pay a boatload of money to get a player that could be a bust.

Conversely, if I was Jerry Jones, in this year's draft, I'm not sure I would trade the two #1's for the first overall pick, even though the draft value chart says it is a great deal for us.

the value chart i don't think takes $ into consideration. given that, being a crappy team is pretty expensive in regard to having to pay high draft picks all the time. you'd think an owner would be motivated to improve the team so they'd not have to spend $10-$20mil guaranteed on unproven players every year that have zero experience in the NFL to go by

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

the value chart i don't think takes $ into consideration. given that, being a crappy team is pretty expensive in regard to having to pay high draft picks all the time. you'd think an owner would be motivated to improve the team so they'd not have to spend $10-$20mil guaranteed on unproven players every year that have zero experience in the NFL to go by

All Miami really has to do is let the clock run out. They would not get any value for giving up the top pick but they could save money and get themselves in a position to take the player they want. That would be something.

I discussed Miami in another thread and what I thought it would take to make a trade. I don't think Miami is going to take a QB. Maybe not even with three 2nd round picks. They really need OLs and CBs IMO. They will also take a TE early. Other then that, they are really solid everywhere else. Seriously. They have some good talent on that team. There front seven is very talented. Other then TE, they have good talent at WR and RB. They have Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams at RB. If Ricky is in any kind of shape, that could be a really good combination. They have Lorenzo Booker, who is a scat back for change of pace. He also does a decent job of catching the ball so he would work on third down. At WR, they have Ginn, Wilford and Hagen. They could probably use more help here but those three would be a pretty solid set of WRs to start with IMO.

 

[iceberg]

All Miami really has to do is let the clock run out. They would not get any value for giving up the top pick but they could save money and get themselves in a position to take the player they want. That would be something.

I discussed Miami in another thread and what I thought it would take to make a trade. I don't think Miami is going to take a QB. Maybe not even with three 2nd round picks. They really need OLs and CBs IMO. They will also take a TE early. Other then that, they are really solid everywhere else. Seriously. They have some good talent on that team. There front seven is very talented. Other then TE, they have good talent at WR and RB. They have Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams at RB. If Ricky is in any kind of shape, that could be a really good combination. They have Lorenzo Booker, who is a scat back for change of pace. He also does a decent job of catching the ball so he would work on third down. At WR, they have Ginn, Wilford and Hagen. They could probably use more help here but those three would be a pretty solid set of WRs to start with IMO.

they could, and that would be interesting. but i don't see an agent letting it go that they still had the #1 pick and got who they wanted, so they should still pay #1 $. that's almost putting yourself in a bad position intentionally.

 

[big dog cowboy]

they could, and that would be interesting. but i don't see an agent letting it go that they still had the #1 pick and got who they wanted, so they should still pay #1 $. that's almost putting yourself in a bad position intentionally.

That is what happened to Minnesota a few years ago when they passed on their turn. Sure enough, the agent of the player taken wanted paid for the draft pick they should have used not the one they really used.

 

[miamicowboy21]

There is a talent worthy of the number #1 pick, his name is Darren Mcfadden. The jets will benefit from the dolphins passing on him. As for the dolphins the need a complete makeover, the team had the worst 53 man roster in the league.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is a talent worthy of the number #1 pick, his name is Darren Mcfadden. The jets will benefit from the dolphins passing on him. As for the dolphins the need a complete makeover, the team had the worst 53 man roster in the league.

I don't really agree with you on this. They are hurting at probably the most important unit in football, there OL, but I think there is a lot of good talent in Miami. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. Miami has aquired some nice players as well. I think they could surprise some people.

 

[aikemirv]

The Draft value chart now makes teams look stupid if they don't get the perceived value for the pick.

The problem is that each year is different in regards to talent and in regards to "legitimate" first round talent. A draft year with 30 players with first round grades would greatly alter the reality of the draft value chart in comparison to a year with 20 players with 1st round grades.

Then you also have the issue like this year when there really is no clear cut guy that is number 1 and worth the dollars that have to be spent. If Jake Long is a legitimate starting LT and plays well immediately then you have a starting LT at top LT money - not so bad. Chris Long while very good is going to be a 3-4 DE and those guys don't rack up the sacks and command the big dollars that a 4-3 DE might command. Dorsey is an interior guy - way too expensive and Ryan is just not even close to a guarantee. McFadden - maybe he would turn out to be close to near the value to dollars spent but who knows.

It is a tough decision at the top. You really look like an idiot letting the clock runout!!!

 

[iceberg]

There is a talent worthy of the number #1 pick, his name is Darren Mcfadden. The jets will benefit from the dolphins passing on him. As for the dolphins the need a complete makeover, the team had the worst 53 man roster in the league.

if the marcus contract w/oakland is any indicator, NO ONE in ANY draft is worth $30mil out of the gate.

it's not just about the player anymore. it's about the $$$ tied to that pick that makes it so hard to swallow.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Draft value chart now makes teams look stupid if they don't get the perceived value for the pick.

But, if anybody in the NFL could get away with taking less for a #1 then is dictated, it's BP. He could easily make the case that nobody was worth the pick and that one good player was not going to make them better this year. He could say that the value was not there and everybody would eat it up because they want to believe in BP so they accept what he says, even when it is clearly BS.

 

[Verdict]

But, if anybody in the NFL could get away with taking less for a #1 then is dictated, it's BP. He could easily make the case that nobody was worth the pick and that one good player was not going to make them better this year. He could say that the value was not there and everybody would eat it up because they want to believe in BP so they accept what he says, even when it is clearly BS.

If anyone could get by with it, it would be Parcells.

 

[ndanger]

But, if anybody in the NFL could get away with taking less for a #1 then is dictated, it's BP. He could easily make the case that nobody was worth the pick and that one good player was not going to make them better this year. He could say that the value was not there and everybody would eat it up because they want to believe in BP so they accept what he says, even when it is clearly BS.

Lord knows I got full from eatin' it up while he was here.I got pepto bizmoled and plop plopped and fizzed ,fizzed to death.

 

[Avery]

If I'm Miami, I take Jake Long #1. Ideally they'd deal down, but I don't see a team jumping up to get anyone.