Dolphins got ripped....

[Echo9]

Aside from the weak throw by Saban, how long did it take them guys to figure out they should challenge the call?

During the live play it looked a little questionable. During the replay seconds after it was obvious. Yet they decide to throw the flag seconds before the PAT, that was horrible all the way around.

You could tell what Saban was thinkin at the time.

He knew the call should be challenged, but alos realized that a successful challenge would put the Steelers at less than the one yard line with a first down. Looks to me like he was weighing the chances that the fins would be able to stop them vs the time left in the game. The steelers had three shots to move 2 feet, and eat up the clock in the meantime.

Tough call that he'd never admit (since not showing confidence in you D is avery bad thing). But in the end, he knew the Steelers would score.

So he's flip-flopping between:
1) Challenging, winning the challenge and watching the Steelers score anyway on the next play or so while eating up time.

2) Passing on the challenge, getting the ball back but showing a lack of confidence in his D.

The result was his arm swing almost throwing the flag yet pulling it back, followed by his wince and the sissy little throw at the last second that he figured (or at least secretly hoped) probably wouldn't be seen.

So he made a show of choosing #2 while really choosing #1. It was most likely seen right away that the call was wrong by the guys upstairs, and it was Saban's deliberating that took so long.

In any case, it was the Dolphins (and particularly Culpepper's) play in the last 5 mintues that cost them the game.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Thanks for the correction. It was early and I'm stuck at home with my kids.

no problem

 

[needforspeed]

You could tell what Saban was thinkin at the time.

He knew the call should be challenged, but alos realized that a successful challenge would put the Steelers at less than the one yard line with a first down. Looks to me like he was weighing the chances that the fins would be able to stop them vs the time left in the game. The steelers had three shots to move 2 feet, and eat up the clock in the meantime.

Tough call that he'd never admit (since not showing confidence in you D is avery bad thing). But in the end, he knew the Steelers would score.

So he's flip-flopping between:
1) Challenging, winning the challenge and watching the Steelers score anyway on the next play or so while eating up time.

2) Passing on the challenge, getting the ball back but showing a lack of confidence in his D.

The result was his arm swing almost throwing the flag yet pulling it back, followed by his wince and the sissy little throw at the last second that he figured (or at least secretly hoped) probably wouldn't be seen.

So he made a show of choosing #2 while really choosing #1. It was most likely seen right away that the call was wrong by the guys upstairs, and it was Saban's deliberating that took so long.

In any case, it was the Dolphins (and particularly Culpepper's) play in the last 5 mintues that cost them the game.

Too bad MNF doesn't have this kind of analysis.

 

[marsbennett]

Refs need glasses...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo6F0TiTBjI

Blame that on Saban. Dolphins got manhandled late and that spells disaster every time. On the bright side, I could give a rat's fecal material about Miami and Wesley Welker kicked some fanny on his way to a 23 point FFl outing.:geek:

 

[diamond cutter]

You could tell what Saban was thinkin at the time.

He knew the call should be challenged, but alos realized that a successful challenge would put the Steelers at less than the one yard line with a first down. Looks to me like he was weighing the chances that the fins would be able to stop them vs the time left in the game. The steelers had three shots to move 2 feet, and eat up the clock in the meantime.

Tough call that he'd never admit (since not showing confidence in you D is avery bad thing). But in the end, he knew the Steelers would score.

So he's flip-flopping between:
1) Challenging, winning the challenge and watching the Steelers score anyway on the next play or so while eating up time.

2) Passing on the challenge, getting the ball back but showing a lack of confidence in his D.

The result was his arm swing almost throwing the flag yet pulling it back, followed by his wince and the sissy little throw at the last second that he figured (or at least secretly hoped) probably wouldn't be seen.

So he made a show of choosing #2 while really choosing #1. It was most likely seen right away that the call was wrong by the guys upstairs, and it was Saban's deliberating that took so long.

In any case, it was the Dolphins (and particularly Culpepper's) play in the last 5 mintues that cost them the game.

I don't think that there is a better assessment than this. I think if Saban was really wanting to challenge the call, then it is his job to make sure the officials saw the flag or heard him challenging it. Personally it looked like a half-hearted throw. I don't know you you can throw a flag, behind an offical and then somehow wonder why they didn't see it. It looked kind of pathetic to me.

 

[gbrittain]

You could tell what Saban was thinkin at the time.

He knew the call should be challenged, but alos realized that a successful challenge would put the Steelers at less than the one yard line with a first down. Looks to me like he was weighing the chances that the fins would be able to stop them vs the time left in the game. The steelers had three shots to move 2 feet, and eat up the clock in the meantime.

Tough call that he'd never admit (since not showing confidence in you D is avery bad thing). But in the end, he knew the Steelers would score.

So he's flip-flopping between:
1) Challenging, winning the challenge and watching the Steelers score anyway on the next play or so while eating up time.

2) Passing on the challenge, getting the ball back but showing a lack of confidence in his D.

The result was his arm swing almost throwing the flag yet pulling it back, followed by his wince and the sissy little throw at the last second that he figured (or at least secretly hoped) probably wouldn't be seen.

So he made a show of choosing #2 while really choosing #1. It was most likely seen right away that the call was wrong by the guys upstairs, and it was Saban's deliberating that took so long.

In any case, it was the Dolphins (and particularly Culpepper's) play in the last 5 mintues that cost them the game.

Very good observation. I never thought of it that way, but in retrospect I should have. Good call and I agree.

 

[peppersquad]

Note to Sabin, Zack on a good TE is prolly not the greatest idea.

 

[theogt]

Bad call, but it would have been 1st and goal at the 1yd line.so.......

But did you see what happened the last time it was 1st and goal on the 1 yard line? Fumblerooski.

 

[conner01]

It depends on where you put the electrodes

I bet bradie james could give them some idea's as to where to put those elctrodes

 

[Echo9]

Very good observation. I never thought of it that way, but in retrospect I should have. Good call and I agree.

Thank ya all. Occasionally I have a good point to make.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I bet bradie james could give them some idea's as to where to put those elctrodes

It would get their attention and make them get the call right the next time

 

[DragonCowboy]

That would be awesome. If I were a coach, and I had a zapper, I'd zap the refs every time a call went against us, even if it was right.

 

[FLcowboy]

The Dolphins were done in by their horrible QB much more than they were ripped off by the refs on a marginal call that would have resulted in the ball being first and goal on the 1 yard line.

You're right, what was Culpepper doing in training camp that made everybody so high on him. I don't think Miami has a very good WR corp, but that wasn't the problem. Culpepper looked slow and indecisive.

 

[The30YardSlant]

They wouldnt have won anyway

 

[FLcowboy]

You know who else got ripped? Fantasy owners who had an opponent starting Heath Miller. That's a six to eight point difference in scoring depending on the league and it's scoring system. Even worse, if you had Willie Parker and your opponent had Miller, that's probably a 12 point swing right there as Parker would have probably dived in for the TD had the challenge been made and the ball spotted at the 2.

That's called football.

 

[FLcowboy]

i can't believe we can put a man on the moon but we can't develope a better system than throwing a flag at the official. we should have a buzzer system that works.
saben should have been more forceful but this is a billion doallr business and we can't come up with a buzzer system that works

A whistle would work too, but the refs have a monopoly on whistles. If Saben had wanted to really call for a review, he could have run out onto the field.

 

[Waffle]

That's called football.

I guess you have Heath Miller. Congratulations!

 

[Seven]

Refs need glasses...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo6F0TiTBjI

Dolphins didn't get ripped. They got Culpepper.