Aerolithe_Lion
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No, this isn’t another Foles-Wentz thread, but it might be a Dak-Tua thread. No, Instead, this is a Brady-Garappolo thread. 2 SB appearances later, does anyone still think Pats picked the wrong guy?
I still believe the Colts did in 2012. Peyton made 2 SBs and won 1 in the 4 years he was in Denver, plus made the divisional round all 4 years. Had the Colts stayed with Peyton, traded the Luck pick for 4 other first round picks, they’d be sitting here today with a much better 2010’s decade, and a QB from one of the next three post-2015 drafts named Goff/Wentz/Trubisky/Mahomes/Watson/Mayfield/Darnold.
Instead, who here genuinely believes Indianapolis will be in a Super Bowl any time in Luck’s career? Steelers will bounce back, Jax will fix their qb problem, Mahomes is just coming on, and Brady is coming back. SD is better. Houston won the division and should be back next year. Depending on what Denver does at QB they might be in it.
Conversely, Peyton would have had 4 additional top 10 1st rounders with him in Indy. Denver’s or Jax’s or whatever bottom feeding team gave them out. Add Zeke to Peyton’s team. Add Jalen Ramsey and Joey Bosa and Jamal Adams.
Does anyone see Garappolo beating KC in KC last weekend? Jax, down 20-10 with 5 min left?
Remember when the Titans dumped MVP McNair for Vince Young and McNair went 13-3 with the Ravens? Keep McNair, spend the first rounder on a DT. Remember when the Rams dumped Kurt Warner for Marc Bulger? Bulger made the playoffs a few times, and then the Rams experienced the worst losing streak in team history, while watching Kurt make the SB from their division!
GB is lucky Aaron won the SB in 2010, because they haven’t been back since. Remember when Packers went 11-5 in 2009, Aaron’s second year? They were 11-3 against everyone not named Favre. What if the kept Brett and traded Aaron for players/picks? Think about that, NFCCG would be in GB. Saints would have to travel to GB. No dome team has ever won an NFCCG as a visitor to a cold weather open air stadium. That goes DOUBLE for Lambeau field. Obvious Aaron is amazing and he won a SB, so it’s not a good point. But if he didn’t, there’d be some consideration to this. The 2010 run wasn’t a run of dominance, he was a WC team. We got close to beating him, Steelers got close to beating him, a few lucky bounces went their way. This isn’t just "let’s trade an all time great before he’s valued as an all time great!”
What did they give up when they gave up Favre? They made NFCCG in 2007 with Favre then the team was bad in 2008 with an inexperienced QB. 2008 NFCCG was 2 wildcard teams. 2009 we’ve discussed. There may have been opportunities there they threw away, all I’m saying. When Favre retires in 2010, they’re in line for Cam, for Luck, or maybe they settle with a Wilson, a Foles, a Cousins. Is their legacy so much better today that it would be in this scenario? They have a guy who sells tickets and 1 SB ring. They made the right choice? Okay, I don’t agree it was a no-brainer.
This is different than Philly’s situation, or Montana/Young or Kurt/Trent or Bledsoe/Brady or Bledsoe/Romo because the young backup PROVED he could continue the winning before they parted with the incumbent. But maybe not different than Dallas’s. Don’t trade away your superstar for an unproven backup. Rarely works out.
I still believe the Colts did in 2012. Peyton made 2 SBs and won 1 in the 4 years he was in Denver, plus made the divisional round all 4 years. Had the Colts stayed with Peyton, traded the Luck pick for 4 other first round picks, they’d be sitting here today with a much better 2010’s decade, and a QB from one of the next three post-2015 drafts named Goff/Wentz/Trubisky/Mahomes/Watson/Mayfield/Darnold.
Instead, who here genuinely believes Indianapolis will be in a Super Bowl any time in Luck’s career? Steelers will bounce back, Jax will fix their qb problem, Mahomes is just coming on, and Brady is coming back. SD is better. Houston won the division and should be back next year. Depending on what Denver does at QB they might be in it.
Conversely, Peyton would have had 4 additional top 10 1st rounders with him in Indy. Denver’s or Jax’s or whatever bottom feeding team gave them out. Add Zeke to Peyton’s team. Add Jalen Ramsey and Joey Bosa and Jamal Adams.
Does anyone see Garappolo beating KC in KC last weekend? Jax, down 20-10 with 5 min left?
Remember when the Titans dumped MVP McNair for Vince Young and McNair went 13-3 with the Ravens? Keep McNair, spend the first rounder on a DT. Remember when the Rams dumped Kurt Warner for Marc Bulger? Bulger made the playoffs a few times, and then the Rams experienced the worst losing streak in team history, while watching Kurt make the SB from their division!
GB is lucky Aaron won the SB in 2010, because they haven’t been back since. Remember when Packers went 11-5 in 2009, Aaron’s second year? They were 11-3 against everyone not named Favre. What if the kept Brett and traded Aaron for players/picks? Think about that, NFCCG would be in GB. Saints would have to travel to GB. No dome team has ever won an NFCCG as a visitor to a cold weather open air stadium. That goes DOUBLE for Lambeau field. Obvious Aaron is amazing and he won a SB, so it’s not a good point. But if he didn’t, there’d be some consideration to this. The 2010 run wasn’t a run of dominance, he was a WC team. We got close to beating him, Steelers got close to beating him, a few lucky bounces went their way. This isn’t just "let’s trade an all time great before he’s valued as an all time great!”
What did they give up when they gave up Favre? They made NFCCG in 2007 with Favre then the team was bad in 2008 with an inexperienced QB. 2008 NFCCG was 2 wildcard teams. 2009 we’ve discussed. There may have been opportunities there they threw away, all I’m saying. When Favre retires in 2010, they’re in line for Cam, for Luck, or maybe they settle with a Wilson, a Foles, a Cousins. Is their legacy so much better today that it would be in this scenario? They have a guy who sells tickets and 1 SB ring. They made the right choice? Okay, I don’t agree it was a no-brainer.
This is different than Philly’s situation, or Montana/Young or Kurt/Trent or Bledsoe/Brady or Bledsoe/Romo because the young backup PROVED he could continue the winning before they parted with the incumbent. But maybe not different than Dallas’s. Don’t trade away your superstar for an unproven backup. Rarely works out.
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