Don't underestimate impact of Moss, T.O.

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Tom Brady has wrapped up the MVP and Tony Romo, who is on pace to throw 43 touchdowns, has a good chance at finishing in the top three in the voting.
But perhaps everyone is overlooking Randy Moss and Terrell Owens as legitimate candidates, even though the Associated Press has never named a receiver MVP. Maybe Brady's and Romo's super seasons are mostly a result of their future Hall of Fame receivers.
When Moss and Owens show up, funny things happen to quarterbacks' number. Consider:
* Randall Cunningham came out of retirement at 35 and threw a career-high 34 TDs in 1998, his one season with Moss.
* A supposedly washed up Jeff George was exiled from Oakland and threw 23 touchdowns in 14 games with Moss as his prime target in '99.
* Daunte Culpepper averaged 2.6 touchdowns per game when he was teammates with Moss in Minnesota. He's thrown .8 TDs per game since the two have been separated.
* Jeff Garcia threw for 4,288 yards in 2000 with Owens in San Francisco. That's the 30th most yards ever by a QB in a season. And he threw 31 TDs in '00 and 32 TDs in '01. He's thrown 34 TDs in the 3 ½ seasons since he left San Francisco.
* Donovan McNabb threw 31 TDs and completed 64 percent of his passes his first season with Owens. His highs without T.O. is 25 touchdowns and a 59.1 completion percentage.
Brady and Romo are also thriving off the Moss and Owens effect.
Although it's considered sacrilege to discuss Brady as anything but God's gift to quarterbacking, even your average supermodel knows the Pats QB has never had a season like this one. He has 38 touchdowns through 10 games, and his career high for a season is 28.
And if you took T.O. out of the equation, there's no telling what kind of QB Romo would be. The Cowboys quarterback has thrown 22 of his 46 career TD passes to Owens.
Moss and Owens help QBs' numbers in so many ways. Moss allows Brady to simply toss it deep and has turned what would be interceptions into spectacular touchdowns. In Sunday night's four-touchdown performance against the Bills, Moss didn't even appear to be running patterns. He was just running downfield and grabbing the ball away from everyone. And Owens' ability to run after the catch has padded Romo's numbers all season, like when he streaked down the sideline for his fourth touchdown against the 'Skins on Sunday.
Not to mention how much extra time in the pocket both QBs get because teams are scared to death to blitz a DB for fear of single-covering Moss and Owens. Brady, in particular, has had more time to throw than any quarterback in recent memory.
And when they're behaving, Moss and T.O. add a swagger to an offense that lifts everyone's game. Brady has always been confident, but now he seems intent on making defenses look bad on every play. And Romo has extra confidence because he knows he has T.O. as a safety valve.
I won't argue against Brady winning the MVP, because he is just about perfect. But maybe we should add an asterisk, to acknowledge Moss' impact on his record-setting season. I'll call Don Shula and ask what he thinks.
 

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thekavorka;1779933 said:
That offensive line should be Co-MVPs.

I Disagree

Tom Brady never put up numbers like this before and if you take Randy Moss off of Patriots' roster, he doesn't sniff these types of numbers even with the offensive line.
 

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Have no doubt Brady wins the MVP. No doubt having Moss on the team is impacting Brady numbers but these numbers are the best that has ever been seen in the NFL. Brady takes this with ease.
 

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mickgreen58;1779942 said:
I Disagree

Tom Brady never put up numbers like this before and if you take Randy Moss off of Patriots' roster, he doesn't sniff these types of numbers even with the offensive line.

Brady should have won the MVP two years ago. Obviously, Randy Moss adds that extra dimension that further improves Brady's game. But none of that would have been possible without the offensive line. That offensive line has been absolutely amazing this year and the most important aspect of that offense.
 

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thekavorka;1780021 said:
Brady should have won the MVP two years ago. Obviously, Randy Moss adds that extra dimension that further improves Brady's game. But none of that would have been possible without the offensive line. That offensive line has been absolutely amazing this year and the most important aspect of that offense.

Yes, but Brady is going to win the MVP because he is putting up historic numbers not because he was winning. Similar to what you mentioned, if it was about winning he would have several by now.

Moss is the main reason he is going to smash every dang single season QB record, not the offensive line.
 

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zeroburrito;1779950 said:
randy moss is by far the best wr the game has ever seen.

behind Jerry Rice and T.O.

Brady is MVP without doubt, Moss has sure added a lot but so has Welker and Stallworth. Brady is putting together the best QB season of all time, given that Manning won it a few years ago for doing something similar Brady has to get it.
 

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mickgreen58;1780040 said:
Yes, but Brady is going to win the MVP because he is putting up historic numbers not because he was winning. Similar to what you mentioned, if it was about winning he would have several by now.

Moss is the main reason he is going to smash every dang single season QB record, not the offensive line.

Moss makes Brady go from amazing to legendary. I don't know if that means MOST VALUABLE. Obviously, Brady is going to win it this year. I just wish the MVP award would branch out and not just give it to the guys that make highlights.

I think you're seriously underrating the effects of that offensive line.
 

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Arync is correct. Brady and Romo are excellent QB's. But Moss and TO help them go to the next level. Brett Favre wanted Randy Moss in Green Bay for a reason. Does anyone here think that GB wouldn't be a MUCH better team with Randy Moss? It's clear that Moss couldn't make Oakland go from a bad team to a good team, but Moss and TO can take good teams (and QBs) and make them something special.
 

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lspain1;1780104 said:
Arync is correct. Brady and Romo are excellent QB's. But Moss and TO help them go to the next level. Brett Favre wanted Randy Moss in Green Bay for a reason. Does anyone here think that GB wouldn't be a MUCH better team with Randy Moss? It's clear that Moss couldn't make Oakland go from a bad team to a good team, but Moss and TO can take good teams (and QBs) and make them something special.

Very true. Brady on the other hand though has shown he can lead a team to a SB without Pro Bowl WR or future HOF WR.
 

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YoMick;1780111 said:
Wow... I was thinking Brady and Romo should....

That's fine and I am sure a cogent argument can be made for why you think that.

The world would be a boring place if we all agreed.
 
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