Dontari Poe

[JBS]

everybody here wants to do a couple of things

1) improve the trenches
2) improve the pass rush
3) draft a NT - either find a successor for Rat or move rat to DE

Poe could do all of these

why not take Poe at 14 if hes there? people say the production isnt there, but the production really doesnt need to be there..we need a monster in the middle, essentially a guy who can just clog the middle...

is there any question that ratliff, at least for the next couple years, will make out as a better 5tech than anyone else we could draft? i think Poe is a natural fit as a NT in a 3-4 front..Poe isnt a guy who is going to play the 3 tech in a 4-3 and dominate the line of scrimmage..thankfully, thats not what we need...while I was against Poe originally, I am starting to think he might be the absolute best player for this defense..

edit** the real key to this equation is how much will our pass rush improve with ratliff playing the 5tech..if rat can consistently win those 1-1 battles, its definitely worth it..if not, probably not

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

everybody here wants to do a couple of things

1) improve the trenches
2) improve the pass rush
3) draft a NT - either find a successor for Rat or move rat to DE

Poe could do all of these

why not take Poe at 14 if hes there? people say the production isnt there, but the production really doesnt need to be there..we need a monster in the middle, essentially a guy who can just clog the middle...

is there any question that ratliff, at least for the next couple years, will make out as a better 5tech than anyone else we could draft? i think Poe is a natural fit as a NT in a 3-4 front..Poe isnt a guy who is going to play the 3 tech in a 4-3 and dominate the line of scrimmage..thankfully, thats not what we need...while I was against Poe originally, I am starting to think he might be the absolute best player for this defense..

I wouldn't mind Poe at all. I prefer Cox and DeCastro though.

 

[supercowboy8]

This is stupid of corse the production needs to be there. How is he a unblockable monster if he has no production. Sorry but I don't like Poe and never had. I can get a NT in 3rd to 5th with the same or better production.
You don't draft a player at 14 based on size and combine numbers. That's how you get a bust.

 

[JBS]

This is stupid of corse the production needs to be there. How is he a unblockable monster if he has no production. Sorry but I don't like Poe and never had. I can get a NT in 3rd to 5th with the same or better production.
You don't draft a player at 14 based on size and combine numbers. That's how you get a bust.

this is what you dont understand..he isnt asked to be an unblockable mosnter as a NT..NTs dont put up gaudy stats..Poes stats are quite similar to those of BJ Raji when Raji was at BC

 

[SDogo]

everybody here wants to do a couple of things

1) improve the trenches
2) improve the pass rush
3) draft a NT - either find a successor for Rat or move rat to DE

Poe could do all of these

why not take Poe at 14 if hes there? people say the production isnt there, but the production really doesnt need to be there..we need a monster in the middle, essentially a guy who can just clog the middle...

is there any question that ratliff, at least for the next couple years, will make out as a better 5tech than anyone else we could draft? i think Poe is a natural fit as a NT in a 3-4 front..Poe isnt a guy who is going to play the 3 tech in a 4-3 and dominate the line of scrimmage..thankfully, thats not what we need...while I was against Poe originally, I am starting to think he might be the absolute best player for this defense..

edit** the real key to this equation is how much will our pass rush improve with ratliff playing the 5tech..if rat can consistently win those 1-1 battles, its definitely worth it..if not, probably not

No problem with the theory, don't like the player.

 

[JBS]

No problem with the theory, don't like the player.

you dont think Poe can eat up 2 blockers and plug the middle of the defense?? i dont think theres any question he can do that..he wont penetrate the line..but the LOS isnt moving backwards either

 

[neosapien23]

No problem with the theory, don't like the player.

Where do you think Ta'amu will go? I was thinking he could be the pick in the 2nd but am now thinking he could go in the lower end in first.

 

[SDogo]

you dont think Poe can eat up 2 blockers and plug the middle of the defense?? i dont think theres any question he can do that..he wont penetrate the line..but the LOS isnt moving backwards either

He can but so can my neighbor who played Semi-Pro ball and is still running 335 after a light dinner.

IMO, we don't need that guy. I have no problem going that direction but I don't think it's needed. I'm not in that group that thinks we need a 320+ NT to squat over the center for this defense to be successful.

 

[SDogo]

Where do you think Ta'amu will go? I was thinking he could be the pick in the 2nd but am now thinking he could go in the lower end in first.

I think he's going to be one of those head scratches at the end of the 1st round. I don't like the player at all, don't like Poe but I would take Poe every day of the week over Ta'amu.

 

[supercowboy8]

this is what you dont understand..he isnt asked to be an unblockable mosnter as a NT..NTs dont put up gaudy stats..Poes stats are quite similar to those of BJ Raji when Raji was at BC

But you don't understand is production doesn't mean stats. Raji was a beast at BC. He played vs top players ad held up the lines. Poe couldn't even do that in the conference USA. I like your idea but not Poe, he isn't the answer. I'm finetaking a NT in the 3rd to 5th and moving Rat over but this draft doesn't have a good NT in the 1st round.

 

[JBS]

He can but so can my neighbor who played Semi-Pro ball and is still running 335 after a light dinner.

IMO, we don't need that guy. I have no problem going that direction but I don't think it's needed. I'm not in that group that thinks we need a 320+ NT to squat over the center for this defense to be successful.

exactly why i said the key is Ratliff..if rat can kick out to DE and wreak havoc then thats why you pick Poe..and THAT is precisely what this defense needs..more pressure

 

[jswalker1981]

you dont think Poe can eat up 2 blockers and plug the middle of the defense?? i dont think theres any question he can do that..he wont penetrate the line..but the LOS isnt moving backwards either

Does he have the talent to do this? Yes.
Does he have the motivation to do this? Doesn't sound like it.

Second team Conference USA? SECOND TEAM.....So there were some guys that none of us can name off the top of our heads that according to coaches were better than Poe. He is a guy, that if you could promise me that we'd get 100% effort from him 100% of the time, I'd be running the card up to the podium myself, but you can't. Heck, not sure you could get 100% effort 75% of the time from him.

 

[dantheman41]

If you just want a big guy to clog middle, then why not just start Josh Brent? That would not help this team one bit

 

[SDogo]

exactly why i said the key is Ratliff..if rat can kick out to DE and wreak havoc then thats why you pick Poe..and THAT is precisely what this defense needs..more pressure

I'm also in the minority that does not believe moving Rat to DE is the answer. I guess I'm a bad person to have in this thread.

 

[dantheman41]

Dontari Poe is not your typical 3-4 nose tackle. Can't take on more then 1 gap. Despite his size, he's more of a DE in a 3-4

 

[JBS]

But you don't understand is production doesn't mean stats. Raji was a beast at BC. He played vs top players ad held up the lines. Poe couldn't even do that in the conference USA. I like your idea but not Poe, he isn't the answer. I'm finetaking a NT in the 3rd to 5th and moving Rat over but this draft doesn't have a good NT in the 1st round.

Raji was a beast at BC w his 24 tackles and 3 sacks??

 

[supercowboy8]

He can but so can my neighbor who played Semi-Pro ball and is still running 335 after a light dinner.

IMO, we don't need that guy. I have no problem going that direction but I don't think it's needed. I'm not in that group that thinks we need a 320+ NT to squat over the center for this defense to be successful.

I agree with everything you have said sdog.

 

[supercowboy8]

Raji was a beast at BC w his 24 tackles and 3 sacks??

Man this is like talking to a 5 year old. Did you watch him play at BC or do you just look at stats. Production isn't just about stats. It's about his whole game. You must have never seen Poe play. I have two times in person. The guy couldn't even hold a single block no way he can hold a double team in the nfl

 

[Hoofbite]

this is what you dont understand..he isnt asked to be an unblockable mosnter as a NT..NTs dont put up gaudy stats..Poes stats are quite similar to those of BJ Raji when Raji was at BC

Well, one guy was All-ACC for a few seasons and the other guy couldn't even stand out in Conference USA.

Also, if NTs don't put up awesome numbers, any difference in numbers at all should be pretty heavily considered.

Furthermore, if NTs don't put up awesome numbers they're obviously drafted based on something other than production such as how their tape looks, something that is without a doubt Poe's weakest area.

 

[JBS]

Man this is like talking to a 5 year old. Did you watch him play at BC or do you just look at stats. Production isn't just about stats. It's about his whole game. You must have beer seen Poe play. I have two times in person. The guy couldn't even hold a single block no way he can hold a double team in the nfl

nobody is an absolute beast in college and wreaks havoc and generates 25 tackles and 3 sacks..you cant bull**** a bull****ter