Double trouble: Teams should keep option of tagging a player twice

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Pat Kirwin

The collective bargaining agreement in its present form gives clubs the right to use the franchise tag on a player more than once. With the July 15 deadline for franchise-tagged players to sign their tender offers fast approaching, some of these disgruntled players may suggest they will sign the franchise tender if the club promises not to use the tag again next year. If I were the team, I would not make such a promise and I would bet on the player signing anyway and playing out the season.

As a point of reference, the Seahawks gave up their right to use the franchise tag a second time on Shaun Alexander a few years ago and still got him signed to a long-term deal. But the Patriots did the same thing with Asante Samuel last year and never did lock him up.

The Titans are in that situation right now as Albert Haynesworth is "willing" to sign the defensive tackle tender that will pay him $7.25 million this season -- if Tennessee promises not to re-tag him in 2009. The tag goes up for players tagged the year before and a guy like Haynesworth would earn close to $15 million over the next two seasons as a franchise player. Not bad for a guy who turned 27 this week.

Haynesworth suggests he may not show up for the start of training camp if the club doesn't surrender its right to the tag in 2009, but I doubt he would give up his $424,000 weekly paycheck once the regular season begins -- and he may not want to incur the $14,000-a-day fine (a tab that could run over $400,000) for missing camp.

Haynesworth had a great season last year and arguably was the best defensive tackle in the league, which means he wants to be the highest-paid DT in the NFL. To do the deal, the Titans would have to come up with upwards of $35 million in guaranteed money and probably pay him that much in the first three years of the contract. No wonder Haynesworth doesn't want the tag for 2009. The club should stick to its guns and bank on his return without giving up a thing.

The Cowboys have a similar situation with safety Ken Hamlin, although Hamlin doesn't have nearly the same leverage as a player like Haynesworth. Hamlin is a nice player but he's not the best at his position. Yet he probably looks at the deals signed this offseason by Gibril Wilson (Oakland) and Madieu Williams (Minnesota) and seeks something close to those. But as one GM said, "I would not be so fast to sign Hamlin long-term; the tag is the right way to go for another year and the Cowboys have enough cap space that they don't have to put a big deal on the table."

I suspect the Cowboys' safety will be signed long-term before the July 15 deadline because he seems to know his place in the market. At no time should the Cowboys surrender the use of a franchise tag next year if they can't get Hamlin signed.
Problem contracts


I hear more complaints from players, club executives, agents and coaches about some recent contracts as they relate to other players wanting new deals. Players under contract want new deals because they see themselves as better than these other guys. Players not under contract are frustrated by offers on the table because of these other deals. Club executives feel like the increased money demands will leave their teams unable to sign other players before the season. Overall, things are at an all-time frustration level.

One GM said, "It was just two years ago $10 million guaranteed got anyone signed in this league. Now they all think $20 million guaranteed is closer to the right number and $30 million gets it done."

Players who stirred the pot the most in 2008, based on the number of times they were mentioned to me over the past three weeks, are: Tommie Kelly, DT, Oakland; Javon Walker, WR, Oakland; Matt Ryan, QB, Atlanta; Madieu Williams, S, Minnesota; DeAngelo Hall, CB, Oakland.

Granted, guaranteed money can be misleading and occasionally it is a pumped-up number, but the truth is there continues to be a ripple effect on all concerned from these contracts.

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Dallas WR Terry Glenn is hesitant to sign a waiver that would protect the Cowboys in the event that he re-injures himself.

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The Glenn situation

Terry Glenn can be upset about the Cowboys asking him to sign a split contract which would drop his salary from $1.7 million to $500,000 if he re-injures his knee again. After all, Glenn feels like he hurt his knee helping the Cowboys win games. The team wants to protect itself against what happened last year when he couldn't play until Week 17. Glenn has to ask himself: If I don't sign the split and the team releases me, can I make this kind of money anywhere else at this point in my career?

The answer to that question is probably no.

As a counter to Dallas' offer, Glenn might want to ask for some incentives on the back end of the deal if he does play the season without injury. On the other hand, the Cowboys might want to sign Koren Robinson or some other free agent now and just play hardball with Glenn.
Three to go

Keep an eye on the developments surrounding these key players whose statuses for 2008 remain in question:

LaMont Jordan: He can't stay on the Raiders' roster much longer with the team up against the salary cap and Jordan scheduled to make $4.7 million. By now, it's clear that no team is going to trade for Jordan and it's time to let him go. With issues surrounding running backs in Buffalo, Denver, Arizona and a few other teams, he will be signed quickly.

Greg Wesley: The Chiefs safety is another player with little to no trade value as teams wrap up OTAs and get ready for summer vacation. Let him go find work; the Chiefs are in excellent salary cap shape and are not being pressed to do anything with Wesley at this time.

Chris Simms: I talked with Bruce Allen on Wednesday about Simms and he considers his backup quarterback a "fine young man" who started for the Bucs on three different occasions. Simms is frustrated, as the team is unsure whether to trade him or put him in the competition for a roster spot. This one is stalled for now. A team interested in a QB like Simms needs to see him throw and evaluate his health. A sensible deal could be a conditional one -- a seventh-round pick to move the player that climbs to a sixth if he makes the team; a fifth if he plays in three games; and a fourth if he plays in six games.
 

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"The Cowboys have a similar situation with safety Ken Hamlin, although Hamlin doesn't have nearly the same leverage as a player like Haynesworth. Hamlin is a nice player but he's not the best at his position. Yet he probably looks at the deals signed this offseason by Gibril Wilson (Oakland) and Madieu Williams (Minnesota) and seeks something close to those. But as one GM said, "I would not be so fast to sign Hamlin long-term; the tag is the right way to go for another year and the Cowboys have enough cap space that they don't have to put a big deal on the table."

I suspect the Cowboys' safety will be signed long-term before the July 15 deadline because he seems to know his place in the market. At no time should the Cowboys surrender the use of a franchise tag next year if they can't get Hamlin signed
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I agree with the sentiments of the anonymous GM that Kirwan cited. I was all for signing Hamlin long-term when the season ended but as time has gone on I have changed my mind.

Hamlin had a career year last year on an uber-talented team while in a contract year. How does Jerry know that it wasn't a fluke season for him? How does Jerry know that once Hamlin gets paid he won't revert to the Seattle FS who came to Dallas with less career INT's than the SS Cowboys fans want to run out of town for deficiencies in coverage?

Cowboys fans were cautious when it came to Flo getting a long-term deal the 1st time and advised Jerry to make Flo prove himself. The same sentiments were expressed when it came to Romo's long-term deal. The argument went, "Romo's only played half of a season. What's the rush? Let's wait and see how he plays in the 1st half of the season before throwing the $$$$ at him." If that was the idea for two homegrown products, I suggest the same course of action with Hamlin. If he has a good season in '08 then reward him with a new deal in February '09. If he balks at it, then franchise him again and try to seek a trade before the draft.

Edit: Dallas has used the same approach with Columbo and he has given two solid years of service and is in a contract year right now. There has been no talk of a long-term deal for him.
 

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Robinson?

he is worth looking at.......guy can play
[Edit: posted before checking links. Some are linked to archived articles. These will not display properly. My apologies.]

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  • ACC Rookie of the Year (1999)
NFL
  • 1,240 receiving yards (2002)
  • Pro Bowler (KR, 2005)
April 1998

“Police charged Robinson with an attempted first-degree sex offense, first-degree kidnapping and discharging a firearm in the city. Charges were dropped because, according to the report, police were ‘unable to locate the prosecuting witness.’" – source

September 1999

“N.C. State wide receiver Koren Robinson will not play Saturday against Wake Forest after missing an academic meeting, Wolfpack coach Mike O'Cain announced on Wednesday. "He's fine academically," O'Cain said. "He just didn't do what he's supposed to do.” – source

December 2000

“Robinson, a first-team All-ACC selection, had two suspensions this season - held out of the first quarter at Maryland, then the first half of the Pack's regular-season finale against Wake Forest. In both cases, Amato cited academic reasons without being specific.” – source

March 2002

“…Robinson was pulled over on his 22nd birthday in North Carolina for driving 90 miles per hour in a 60-mph zone. The police report lists his blood alcohol level at .16, but police charged Robinson only with exceeding safe speed. The report lists the verdict as "responsible" and Robinson paid $90 in court costs and a $10 fine.” – source

February 2003

“…Koren Robinson was arrested this weekend after refusing to leave the street outside a packed Durham nightclub. Robinson, 22, was charged with failure to disperse…” –
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March 2003

“The most recent case against Robinson in North Carolina came after he was arrested by the Raleigh police on March 14, 2003, for carrying a concealed weapon. That case was dismissed.” – source

November 2004

“Robinson has been suspended without pay for the next four Seahawks games for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy, according to a statement from the NFL released this afternoon. Robinson, 24, is believed to have drawn the suspension for a third violation of the league policy, each involving marijuana use.” -
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“Turns out Koren Robinson will miss more than the four games originally anticipated. That's because Robinson did not play yesterday for what coach Mike Holmgren called a ‘team-rule situation’.” - source

January 2005

“Wide receiver Koren Robinson was sent home for disciplinary reasons and did not play.” – source

June 2005

“Seahawks send Robinson packing” - source

August 2005

“Former Seattle Seahawks receiver Koren Robinson has checked himself into a 28-day alcohol rehabilitation program in South Carolina…” - source

September 2005

“Wide receiver Koren Robinson, an often-troubled player in his four seasons with the Seahawks, agreed to terms yesterday on a two-year contract with the Minnesota Vikings. The deal reportedly is worth about $1.5 million.” – source

August 2006

“The Minnesota Vikings' long-term investment in receiver Koren Robinson seemed shaky Wednesday after a DWI arrest that might cost the team one of its top offensive players. Robinson's blue BMW sedan was caught on radar going more than 100 mph in a 55 mph zone at 10:45 p.m., and he refused to stop…” - source

“Robinson was released by the Vikings 11 days after he was arrested, the second time in 15 months a team released him following an alcohol-related arrest.” – source

September 2006

“The Green Bay Packers have agreed to terms with wide receiver Koren Robinson, who was recently cut by the Minnesota Vikings after being charged with drunken driving.” – source

October 2006

“Koren Robinson was sentenced to 90 days in jail for violating terms of his probation from a drunk-driving conviction in Kirkland in 2005… The probation department reported Robinson had numerous violations, ranging from new law violations to failing to pay fines to operating a vehicle without an ignition-lock device and the continued use of alcohol or other non-prescribed drugs.” – source

“Green Bay Packers wide receiver Koren Robinson was suspended without pay Tuesday for a minimum of one year for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy.” - source

October 2007

“Robinson has a final chance under the NFL's substance abuse policy after the league reinstated the former Seahawks wide receiver from his one-year suspension on Wednesday.” – source

May 2008

“The Green Bay Packers released Koren Robinson on Friday…” – source

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“…a search of public records revealed 21 cases implicating Robinson for various misdeeds, including four allegations of negligent driving since 2003.

There were 13 other traffic-related cases, including one from April 2004 in which an officer cited Robinson for traveling 105 mph in a 60 zone. That case was later dismissed, court records showed.

Six other incidents originated from Robinson’s home state of North Carolina, including four in 1998.” – source
 

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Deals signed with Oakland by free agents should be automatically discounted. Al Davis is somewhere between desperation and dementia. Other NFL salaries should not be pegged to anything that old coot does. Talk about a loose cannon!
 
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