Draft Chase, trade Amari?

[DasSchnitzel]

I'm not trying to play fantasy football here, just wondering what y'all see as Amari's trade value.

I've been going through scenarios around not having a trade down partner and it really seems possible that Chase is the BPA and no one wants to admit it because we already have Cooper and Lamb.

If you could trade Cooper for a late 1st round pick and also get Chase, then I might be fine with that money saved and pairing Lamb with Chase. Moving Cooper may be a lot easier than finding someone willing to jump 13 spots in the draft.

Enter day 1 with Cooper and a first round pick, leave day 1 with Chase and a rookie 1st round defender and several million saved on the cap. Definitely not ideal but as the "30 seconds remaining to submit a name" emergency plan, I think it's reasonable.

 

[Future]

I'd do that, for sure.

Even with an Amari trade, I'd be still trying to move down, even if the return is less than normal. There's good value for this offense at WR after chase in Smith and Waddle.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

I'd do that, for sure.

Even with an Amari trade, I'd be still trying to move down, even if the return is less than normal. There's good value for this offense at WR after chase in Smith and Waddle.

Oh good point, we could trade down with or without moving Amari and pull a similar move to get younger and cheaper.

 

[Xavier187]

If u wanna do that u gotta talk to the Commanders they would be the most willing to trade a 1st rounder for him.

Its hard to say that but you could over play your hand and gain there 1st and 2nd for Amari Cooper and a 3rd rounder...
Js
Anything is possible. And Rivera loves Cooper

 

[cnuball21]

I'm not trying to play fantasy football here, just wondering what y'all see as Amari's trade value.

I've been going through scenarios around not having a trade down partner and it really seems possible that Chase is the BPA and no one wants to admit it because we already have Cooper and Lamb.

If you could trade Cooper for a late 1st round pick and also get Chase, then I might be fine with that money saved and pairing Lamb with Chase. Moving Cooper may be a lot easier than finding someone willing to jump 13 spots in the draft.

Enter day 1 with Cooper and a first round pick, leave day 1 with Chase and a rookie 1st round defender and several million saved on the cap. Definitely not ideal but as the "30 seconds remaining to submit a name" emergency plan, I think it's reasonable.

I actually started another thread on this with drafting Chase as the main topic.

There’s a fairly good chance that Parsons could be gone and we don’t have a trade down partner..in which case I’d definitely consider drafting Chase. It wasn’t popular on my thread but I think he’s a clearly better talent than what defenders would be left on the board.

Id be open to trading Cooper but I’d push harder on Gallup. Dak and Coop have a solid chemistry and the dude is incredibly consistent as a #1 WR . I also don’t think you’d get a 1 for him at this point and think a 2 is more realistic.

 

[Future]

Oh good point, we could trade down with or without moving Amari and pull a similar move to get younger and cheaper.

As good as I think he is - I'd very much trade Amari and draft another WR this year. I think the best value in picks 5-11 or so is WR, and what Cooper brings shouldn't be too hard to replace in this offense as Gallup and Lamb are both good route runners and able to get open.

I would very much like to go into next year with a WR corps of Gallup, Lamb, Waddle, Wilson and Brown. That gives you more flexibility, even though you're losing your best WR.

 

[Future]

I also don’t think you’d get a 1 for him at this point and think a 2 is more realistic.

I agree - though I wouldn't be surprised. Teams around the league have certainly seen the difference Diggs (22 overall, 5th, 6th, 4th) and Amari (17?) have made in those offenses.

I'd think Miami, Indy, SF, and Baltimore would all have a lot of interest in Amari if they're picking in the early 20s or so. With a young QB and what Tua is good at, Amari is a perfect fit in Miami especially.

After that, there are a few teams who could have an early second/multi-pick packages - LAC, CIN, JAX, NYJ - with young QBs who need support around them. There really aren't many guys in the league who fit better with inexperienced QBs than Amari. You don't have to learn how to play with him, just wait until he gets open.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

I actually started another thread on this with drafting Chase as the main topic.

There’s a fairly good chance that Parsons could be gone and we don’t have a trade down partner..in which case I’d definitely consider drafting Chase. It wasn’t popular on my thread but I think he’s a clearly better talent than what defenders would be left on the board.

Id be open to trading Cooper but I’d push harder on Gallup. Dak and Coop have a solid chemistry and the dude is incredibly consistent as a #1 WR . I also don’t think you’d get a 1 for him at this point and think a 2 is more realistic.

Idk for certain of course but I think you might find a day 1 pick for Amari and I think I'd need one to feel good about taking Chase. It might be best to shop Cooper around before the draft. If you can't get a good deal then this idea is bunk. If you can, then just take the deal, and we put "WR" back on the list of needs.

Suddenly the top of the draft isn't so bad for Dallas anymore, and we get a pick in a more appropriate range for a defender in this class.

Gives us lots of options, including trade down as @Future said.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

I agree - though I wouldn't be surprised. Teams around the league have certainly seen the difference Diggs (22 overall, 5th, 6th, 4th) and Amari (17?) have made in those offenses.

I'd think Miami, Indy, SF, and Baltimore would all have a lot of interest in Amari if they're picking in the early 20s or so.

Cleveland came to mind for me. They can cut OBJ at any point for massive savings, and I'm nearly certain they'll strongly consider it after this year and all the storylines regarding CLE and OBJ.

 

[visionary]

If I can’t find a trade down partner in going Pitts if Dak is signed or QB if he’s not

Pitts will have a huge impact on offense

 

[DasSchnitzel]

If I can’t find a trade down partner in going Pitts if Dak is signed or QB if he’s not

Pitts will have a huge impact on offense

We've got 2 starting WRs that cost us a 1st round pick each. We've got a 1st round RB. In all likelihood we're gonna have a 40M dollar QB.

I understand people liking or even picking Pitts but I just dont want the TE and can't imagine a scenario where I personally would take him.

Even though I dont like Surtain or Parsons as 5th overall picks, I'm taking either of them before Pitts. So I'm only getting him on a trade down, and at any trade down target where Pitts is still on the board, there's gonna be a defender I would rather have instead.

 

[Daygoboy6191]

Trade Cooper and Gallup should be able to get you a couple more picks in the top 100
Draft WR's in the 2nd day and maybe go sign 1 in FA on a shorter-term deal.
Franchise Dak get yourself a couple more picks.
We'd have little money to spend this year, but a ton of picks and a clean cap sheet for the foreseeable future.
We could have 7 plus picks in the top 100.
Man that would be so much fun!!

 

[DasSchnitzel]

Trade Cooper and Gallup should be able to get you a couple more picks in the top 100
Draft WR's in the 2nd day and maybe go sign 1 in FA on a shorter-term deal.
Franchise Dak get yourself a couple more picks.
We'd have little money to spend this year, but a ton of picks and a clean cap sheet for the foreseeable future.
We could have 7 plus picks in the top 100.
Man that would be so much fun!!

It would be fun but realistically i would trade Cooper or Gallup but probably not both.

 

[cnuball21]

Idk for certain of course but I think you might find a day 1 pick for Amari and I think I'd need one to feel good about taking Chase. It might be best to shop Cooper around before the draft. If you can't get a good deal then this idea is bunk. If you can, then just take the deal, and we put "WR" back on the list of needs.

Suddenly the top of the draft isn't so bad for Dallas anymore, and we get a pick in a more appropriate range for a defender in this class.

Gives us lots of options, including trade down as @Future said.

Yea I guess crazier things have happened...I'd just be hard pressed shopping Cooper before the draft because you don't know if you're going to be able to land Chase until the draft happens. I like some of the other WRs this year but not as legit, blue chip #1 WR prospects. I love Smith, but his size is a little concerning.

I"d start shopping after the selection at which point I'm also more flexible on what I"d take. I'd be ok with a 2nd rounder for Cooper to get his contract off the books and probably a mid rounder for Gallup knowing his contract is expiring.

 

[Future]

Pitts will have a huge impact on offense

Not really. He doesn't give Dallas anything they don't already have.

Pitts is most effective operating in the same space as CeeDee, and he doesn't present a new matchup issue for the defense that they can't create with Jarwin. There's just no new element to the offense that Pitts gives you.

End of the day, Pitts' greatest value to Florida is that they can split him out wide in the red zone and beat man coverage - Dallas already has 3 WRs who do that. It's not like using Pitts instead of, say, Gallup, makes you much better.

 

[Daygoboy6191]

It would be fun but realistically i would trade Cooper or Gallup but probably not both.

Not very realistic at all, but I am all for rebuilding.

Over this team TBH with you. Mismanagement of contracts, poor decisions on draft picks this team needs a refresh.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I agree - though I wouldn't be surprised. Teams around the league have certainly seen the difference Diggs (22 overall, 5th, 6th, 4th) and Amari (17?) have made in those offenses.

I'd think Miami, Indy, SF, and Baltimore would all have a lot of interest in Amari if they're picking in the early 20s or so. With a young QB and what Tua is good at, Amari is a perfect fit in Miami especially.

After that, there are a few teams who could have an early second/multi-pick packages - LAC, CIN, JAX, NYJ - with young QBs who need support around them. There really aren't many guys in the league who fit better with inexperienced QBs than Amari. You don't have to learn how to play with him, just wait until he gets open.

I think with what could be a triple digit catch season, and a flexible contract, I think we could probably get a late first for Amari. Especially in this draft where the WR depth tails off a little after the Bama and LSU guys.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm not trying to play fantasy football here, just wondering what y'all see as Amari's trade value.

I've been going through scenarios around not having a trade down partner and it really seems possible that Chase is the BPA and no one wants to admit it because we already have Cooper and Lamb.

If you could trade Cooper for a late 1st round pick and also get Chase, then I might be fine with that money saved and pairing Lamb with Chase. Moving Cooper may be a lot easier than finding someone willing to jump 13 spots in the draft.

Enter day 1 with Cooper and a first round pick, leave day 1 with Chase and a rookie 1st round defender and several million saved on the cap. Definitely not ideal but as the "30 seconds remaining to submit a name" emergency plan, I think it's reasonable.

You can't say let's trade this guy or that guy, without factoring in the cap charges. Cooper just signed a deal, there is an out after next season, but if you dealt him prior to the 2022 year, there is going to be an huge cap charge. There would be dead money charge close to 30 million. The net I believe would be 6-7 millions against the cap. So you are losing cap money for 2021 and you still have to find his replacement. This is more the following yr discussion.

 

[Daygoboy6191]

You can't say let's trade this guy or that guy, without factoring in the cap charges. Cooper just signed a deal, there is an out after next season, but if you dealt him prior to the 2022 year, there is going to be an huge cap charge. There would be dead money charge close to 30 million. The net I believe would be 6-7 millions against the cap. So you are losing cap money for 2021 and you still have to find his replacement. This is more the following yr discussion.

Draft him

 

[Sydla]

Doesn’t make sense to me. Use a Top 5 pick on a WR and then trade Cooper for likely a pick in the teens, at best?

The only value there is swapping out a high contract for a low one.