Draft day trade scenario with ATL...

[Portland Fanatic]

Not a trade up in the first...

We all know Atlanta needs their future QB...let's say Brohm is on the board at #22 (phone rings)...ATL is offering:

#34 and #48 = 980 points
for our
#22 and #93 = 908 points

Dallas now has #28, #34, #48, #61, and #93 on day one.

There is good depth at CB, RB, and better value in the second rounds at WR (many don't think there is a rd one grade on any WR's)...options may include:

#28...could trade for Roy Williams, or Bolden...or land DB's like Cason, Phillips, Talib.
#34...could land players such as (Cason...maybe), Hardy, Ray, Felix (which I would feel better about in the 2nd).
#48...players like Lee, Porter, Kelly, Avery, Johnson.
#61...Harrison, Bennet, maybe Avery, Tyrell Thompson, Forte, Dre Moore...well anyways you get it. Best players that have fallen.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Interesting thought. I'd have to mull that over a little more but at first glance I don't believe I'd be upset with that move at all.

 

[adamknite]

Not a trade up in the first...

We all know Atlanta needs their future QB...let's say Brohm is on the board at #22 (phone rings)...ATL is offering:

#34 and #48 = 980 points
for our
#22 and #93 = 908 points

Dallas now has #28, #34, #48, #61, and #93 on day one.

There is good depth at CB, RB, and better value in the second rounds at WR (many don't think there is a rd one grade on any WR's)...options may include:

#28...could trade for Roy Williams, or Bolden...or land DB's like Cason, Phillips, Talib.
#34...could land players such as (Cason...maybe), Hardy, Ray, Felix (which I would feel better about in the 2nd).
#48...players like Lee, Porter, Kelly, Avery, Johnson.
#61...Harrison, Bennet, maybe Avery, Tyrell Thompson, Forte, Dre Moore...well anyways you get it. Best players that have fallen.

sounds good, but they moved the third round to day 2 this year I believe, and didn't you have us just trading that pick already?

 

[Hostile]

sounds good, but they moved the third round to day 2 this year I believe, and didn't you have us just trading that pick already?

My exact question.

I did a similar scenario in one of my Mocks with Atlanta lloking for a QB and making that trade.

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

Sounds good but I would like #34 and their #1 next year. WOuld be the Browns trade again almost exactley

 

[DasTex]

Sounds good but I would like #34 and their #1 next year. WOuld be the Browns trade again almost exactley

If I were Atlanta, I'd do that in a heartbeat...beacuse we all know that if you trade a future #1 to Dallas, it's almost a given you'll have a winning season the next year!!

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Brohm will still be on the clock when the Falcons pick in the 2nd round.

And if he isn't, then Henne or Falco will be.

 

[jterrell]

Brohm will still be on the clock when the Falcons pick in the 2nd round.

And if he isn't, then Henne or Falco will be.

What is interesting though is teams have seemed to want to draft QBs in round 1 for the longer rookie contracts. CBs and QBs get ridiculous money if they are any good and the longer you get them fairly cheap, the better.

Most agents are not going to let players drafted after round 1 sign 5 year deals.

BTW: This scenario was one norm talked up a few days ago pretty hardcore.

 

[DFWJC]

Brohm will still be on the clock when the Falcons pick in the 2nd round.

And if he isn't, then Henne or Falco will be.

This is what I'm thinking too. Atlanta is already lined up to get a good QB prospect without moving up, IMO.

 

[arglebargle]

This is what I'm thinking too. Atlanta is already lined up to get a good QB prospect without moving up, IMO.

But they have to risk losing the QB they want to another team. Especially if Miami has passed on Ryan, Atlanta may be looking at leftovers.

While these other QBs may be rated as roughly equivalent (late 1st, early 2nd), there may be significant differences in their value to the individual teams based on the schemes they run. Atlanta may view the value of choosing exactly who they want to be worth the trade. And Atlanta really has to come up with a QB to front for their team. I think this makes them more trigger happy than usual. But the same basic logic may apply to any of the teams with low second round picks and a serious need for a QB.

Hey, if someone else is on the line, maybe the Cowboys give Miami a call as well.....

 

[tyke1doe]

My exact question.

I did a similar scenario in one of my Mocks with Atlanta lloking for a QB and making that trade.

Agreed. I think the Falcons probably are already talking to the Cowboys about a possible trade down.

Teams generally have those discussions prior to the draft, maybe not revealing players, but saying "if the player you want isn't there at #22 or #28, would you be interested in a trade down?"

I think this is going on much more now because the time limit is shorter.

 

[tyke1doe]

This is what I'm thinking too. Atlanta is already lined up to get a good QB prospect without moving up, IMO.

Not necessarily.

The Ravens, Dolphins, Falcons, Jets, Bears and Chiefs are all looking for a quarterback.

Flacco and Brohm are the next tier. I don't know whether Henne is worth a second round pick.

So let's say that Flacco is left after the Falcons take Dorsey (which I expect them to do) and the Jets or Chiefs take Ryan.

You still have other teams vying for Brohm and Flacco.

The Falcons have enough ammunition to trade up to get the quarterback they want. We don't know whether the grade they have on each quarterback, so if they deem Flacco slightly better than a second round pick, why not get Dorsey and Flacco than wait to get Dorsey and two other picks that may not equal one Flacco?

 

[Maxmadden]

Did anybody other than Washington have Campbell rated as a 1st round pick?

 

[adamknite]

Did anybody other than Washington have Campbell rated as a 1st round pick?

I believe there was somebody in the early second that Washington was trying to leap frog over. I'm not positive on this though. Maybe the browns? Sorry I can't remember the situation too well.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Not a bad thought at all provide the qb does not slide down to Atl anyways

 

[dbair1967]

With our team contructed as it is, we dont need to be trading down to acquire more picks (and lesser talented guys)

We've already been down that road (mid 90's)...we dont have many roster openings anyway

we didnt do the deal last yr with Atlanta to set up a repeat scenario this yr

we either need to target a couple of specific guys and move up to grab one of them, or just sit tight and see who falls in our lap...you dont improve a talented team by drafting a multitude of lesser guys, and like I said, we really dont have that many roster openings anyway

David

 

[DFWJC]

Not necessarily.

The Ravens, Dolphins, Falcons, Jets, Bears and Chiefs are all looking for a quarterback.

Flacco and Brohm are the next tier. I don't know whether Henne is worth a second round pick.

So let's say that Flacco is left after the Falcons take Dorsey (which I expect them to do) and the Jets or Chiefs take Ryan.

You still have other teams vying for Brohm and Flacco.

The Falcons have enough ammunition to trade up to get the quarterback they want. We don't know whether the grade they have on each quarterback, so if they deem Flacco slightly better than a second round pick, why not get Dorsey and Flacco than wait to get Dorsey and two other picks that may not equal one Flacco?

I see. I still think one of those 3 QBs (and very likely 2 of 3) will be there at for Atlanta's Rd2 pick, but you paint a scenario were they may want to jump. That would be if they have one of those widely separated from the other 2. Even then, I think Brohm could be had at 28.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

sounds good, but they moved the third round to day 2 this year I believe, and didn't you have us just trading that pick already?

I did not realize that they moved the third rd to day two...bummer. I goofed on keeping the #93 in the equation...scratch that one.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Brohm will still be on the clock when the Falcons pick in the 2nd round.

And if he isn't, then Henne or Falco will be.

I don't believe he will be...however that is my opinion. I think he will be a better Pro then Ryan in the end. He has the mobility you need in the league now, along with the tools needed to make tough and timing throws.

I'm not sold on Henne and Falco at all...people get enamored with big arms...that's is not what wins games.

I feel Brohm is a first rd talent...and may be there at #22. We could have a similar situation as we did with Brady Q.

 

[jobberone]

Agreed. I think the Falcons probably are already talking to the Cowboys about a possible trade down.

Teams generally have those discussions prior to the draft, maybe not revealing players, but saying "if the player you want isn't there at #22 or #28, would you be interested in a trade down?"

I think this is going on much more now because the time limit is shorter.

There have been newspaper reports about this scenario so you're right. And this has been gone over. But there is new info here and its a worthwhile thread.

With our team contructed as it is, we dont need to be trading down to acquire more picks (and lesser talented guys)

We've already been down that road (mid 90's)...we dont have many roster openings anyway

we didnt do the deal last yr with Atlanta to set up a repeat scenario this yr

we either need to target a couple of specific guys and move up to grab one of them, or just sit tight and see who falls in our lap...you dont improve a talented team by drafting a multitude of lesser guys, and like I said, we really dont have that many roster openings anyway

David

David, you're are dead on here. They need to be careful here. As long as they don't diminish the talent by dropping then they're ok. But if he does this to show the league how smart he is and drops down in talent then he'll rue the day.

I don't believe he will be...however that is my opinion. I think he will be a better Pro then Ryan in the end. He has the mobility you need in the league now, along with the tools needed to make tough and timing throws.

I'm not sold on Henne and Falco at all...people get enamored with big arms...that's is not what wins games.

I feel Brohm is a first rd talent...and may be there at #22. We could have a similar situation as we did with Brady Q.

You make a good point. Which is why some teams may have the hots for a QB. And if so then the 22 and 28 picks are in a good position for that. I still think we will end up with the Kansas CB.