Draft notes/opinion over the last few days

[darthseinfeld]

Sadly I was out of touch for a few days as my mom passed away during the week. Talking Cowboys is my escape during this time. Things that I gathered over the last few days:

-As many know, fa deal's usually take place at the combine. There are some rumblings that the Cowboys are far apart in the contract talks with both Wilson/Lve. We have seen them show some interest in those positional groups. Think they will sign a veteran if Lve departs, but might look to the draft to replace Wilson.

-OBJ is going to be a Cowboy, unless someone goes Von Miller and sends the brinks truck to his house. Jerry cannot stop talking about him and even said he had a discussion with his mom.

-Speaking about the receivers, kind of disappointed. JSN refused to run, but tested very well outside of that. Surprised about some of the 40 times and Addison being so so light. Every top receiver has it's warts. Really like Mingo, huge hand size and runs a 4.4, much rather him in late day 2, then taking one of these top guys.

-Bobby Belt, who is a legitimate insider believes the team is targeting in no particular order: CB, RB and pass catcher WR or TE for our top 3 picks, with possibly OL sneaking in if a right player falls to them. He also said the Cowboys appeared fasiniated with the top TE's. Maybe they sign OBJ and get an elite TE and would fix our passing offense in a hurry. I wonder if this team will truly release Zeke, Jerry certainly wants to keep him, it's time to move on.

My thoughts and prayers. Lost mine last year

 

[reddyuta]

my guess is similar Belt but i think TE and CB have the best chance to be taken in the first RD.also condolences to he OP.

 

[xwalker]

Sadly I was out of touch for a few days as my mom passed away during the week. Talking Cowboys is my escape during this time. Things that I gathered over the last few days:

-As many know, fa deal's usually take place at the combine. There are some rumblings that the Cowboys are far apart in the contract talks with both Wilson/Lve. We have seen them show some interest in those positional groups. Think they will sign a veteran if Lve departs, but might look to the draft to replace Wilson.

-OBJ is going to be a Cowboy, unless someone goes Von Miller and sends the brinks truck to his house. Jerry cannot stop talking about him and even said he had a discussion with his mom.

-Speaking about the receivers, kind of disappointed. JSN refused to run, but tested very well outside of that. Surprised about some of the 40 times and Addison being so so light. Every top receiver has it's warts. Really like Mingo, huge hand size and runs a 4.4, much rather him in late day 2, then taking one of these top guys.

-Bobby Belt, who is a legitimate insider believes the team is targeting in no particular order: CB, RB and pass catcher WR or TE for our top 3 picks, with possibly OL sneaking in if a right player falls to them. He also said the Cowboys appeared fasiniated with the top TE's. Maybe they sign OBJ and get an elite TE and would fix our passing offense in a hurry. I wonder if this team will truly release Zeke, Jerry certainly wants to keep him, it's time to move on.

I don't know if the Cowboys would draft a sub 190 pound WR in the 1st.

This draft is more difficult than normal to predict which players will be available late 1st, IMO.

Some teams in the top 25 will pass on small WRs or small CBs regardless of talent.

RB and TE are lower value positions but there could be more of either drafted in the first than some other years.

There could be anywhere from 1 to 4 TEs in the 1st. I think 2 is most likely but it's difficult to know. The top 4 are all very different.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Sadly I was out of touch for a few days as my mom passed away during the week. Talking Cowboys is my escape during this time. Things that I gathered over the last few days:

-As many know, fa deal's usually take place at the combine. There are some rumblings that the Cowboys are far apart in the contract talks with both Wilson/Lve. We have seen them show some interest in those positional groups. Think they will sign a veteran if Lve departs, but might look to the draft to replace Wilson.

-OBJ is going to be a Cowboy, unless someone goes Von Miller and sends the brinks truck to his house. Jerry cannot stop talking about him and even said he had a discussion with his mom.

-Speaking about the receivers, kind of disappointed. JSN refused to run, but tested very well outside of that. Surprised about some of the 40 times and Addison being so so light. Every top receiver has it's warts. Really like Mingo, huge hand size and runs a 4.4, much rather him in late day 2, then taking one of these top guys.

-Bobby Belt, who is a legitimate insider believes the team is targeting in no particular order: CB, RB and pass catcher WR or TE for our top 3 picks, with possibly OL sneaking in if a right player falls to them. He also said the Cowboys appeared fasiniated with the top TE's. Maybe they sign OBJ and get an elite TE and would fix our passing offense in a hurry. I wonder if this team will truly release Zeke, Jerry certainly wants to keep him, it's time to move on.

CB could line up best with value. I could also see them having a very grade on Gibbs as well, so that could be something to watch. WR, I think Hyatt would probably be the top guy available and I don't know that he is great value at 26. I think JNS will be gone

 

[sbark]

What makes you think they don't already have Wilsons replacement in Markquese Bell?

Agree on OBJ, and think they trade for Ramsey too.

They seem to be showing interest in darnell washington. Could be the pick at 26.

TE Washington size gotta bring back memories of what they hoped they had in Rico....

His 1 handed catch in drills was pretty good
He was only TE that literally drove blocking sled 10yrds back...wow

 

[Cowboyny]

R.I.P to your mother.

I hope we don't waste a pick on a WR early.

DT, CB, LB, S, TE, RB and OG are the positions I hope to see addressed.

I agree with Belt CB, pass catcher and running back top 3 priorities. Hope DT and WR are addressed prior to the draft

 

[Cowboyny]

CB could line up best with value. I could also see them having a very grade on Gibbs as well, so that could be something to watch. WR, I think Hyatt would probably be the top guy available and I don't know that he is great value at 26. I think JNS will be gone

What helps Gibbs Is his frame, over 200 I believe

 

[Cowboyny]

I think Mukuamu ends up back at Safety, especially if the draft a CB early.

Bell also got some snaps last season.

Wilson does not play 100% of snaps in Dallas. He would play 100% with most other teams. Even if the money iscequal, he likely takes an offer from another team.

I think CB is highly likely to be the pick at #26. I don't know if they would draft any sub 190 pound WRs in the 1st.

Which corner do you like after the top 4, with Banks being the last guy

 

[Cowboyny]

TE Washington size gotta bring back memories of what they hoped they had in Rico....

His 1 handed catch in drills was pretty good
He was only TE that literally drove blocking sled 10yrds back...wow

I wonder if MM prefers the so called big receiver type of TE over the in-line guys the Cowboys have always targeted. They met with Kincaid, Mustgrave

 

[Cowboyny]

my guess is similar Belt but i think TE and CB have the best chance to be taken in the first RD.also condolences to he OP.

How do you rank the top TE’s?

 

[reddyuta]

How do you rank the top TE’s?

Kincaid
Washington
Mayer.

to me the possibility of Washington hitting his ceiling is too much to pass up if he is there at 26(assuming Kincaid is already gone).its a risk but he has really high floor too.

 

[Cowboyny]

Kincaid
Washington
Mayer.

to me the possibility of Washington hitting his ceiling is too much to pass up if he is there at 26(assuming Kincaid is already gone).its a risk but he has really high floor too.

Have like Mayer the most, but it’s really about what type of TE you want. Mayer is probably the best combo one in the class

 

[reddyuta]

Have like Mayer the most, but it’s really about what type of TE you want. Mayer is probably the best combo one in the class

Mayer is really good too but we have a guy like him on the team in Ferguson.

 

[Malhavoc]

If this team signs OBJ, as many expect they will not take a WR in round 1. I think Kincaid if available would be a real possibility.

 

[Cowboyny]

Mayer is really good too but we have a guy like him on the team in Ferguson.

Fair point.

 

[Cowboyny]

If this team signs OBJ, as many expect they will not take a WR in round 1. I think Kincaid if available would be a real possibility.

Certainly in the conversation

 

[darthseinfeld]

Mayer is really good too but we have a guy like him on the team in Ferguson.

Mayer is way better than Ferguson. Ferguson is decent, but he may max out as a Cameron Brate clone

 

[xwalker]

Which corner do you like after the top 4, with Banks being the last guy

I like Ringo's game footage. His arm length and vert/broad jumps were dissappointing but he can muscle WRs better than some higher rated players.

Banks might be higher than 4th. Based on game footage I might have him above Witherspoon. Add in the measurables and it's another plus in favor of Banks.

After the 1st:
Darius Rush is interesting at some point after the 1st round.
- His game footage looks good and he has a wow combination of measurables.
- He was up/down in Senior Bowl 1-on-1 drills. Great on some but completely faked out on a couple of others.

Forbes is a terrific player college player but 166 pounds it just too big of an issue to be a 1st round pick.

In the 4th/5th range maybe DJ Turner II. Short, lightweight with short arms but nice game footage and wow 4.26 forty and 38.5 vert.


I did a spreadsheet of the combine measurables and listed them in Brugler's pre-combine ranking order.

PLAYER​	HGT​	WGT​	ARM​	HAND​	40 (O)​	10 (O)​	VJ​	BJ​
Christian Gonzalez​	6013​	197​	32​	9 1/2​	4.38​	1.54​	41.5​	11'1"​
Joey Porter Jr​	6024​	193​	34​	10​	4.46​	1.5​	35​	10'9"​
Devon Witherspoon​	5114​	181​	31 1/4​	8 7/8​	DNP​	DNP​	DNP​	DNP​
Deonte Banks​	6001​	197​	31 3/8​	9 3/8​	4.35​	1.49​	42​	11'4"​
Kelee Ringo​	6016​	207​	31 1/4​	8 1/2​	4.36​	1.54​	33.5​	10'2"​
Emmanuel Forbes​	6006​	166​	32 1/4​	8 1/2​	4.35​	1.48​	37.5​	10'4"​
Cam Smith​	6006​	180​	31 5/8​	9 1/8​	4.43​	1.49​	38​	DNP​
Clark Phillips III​	5090​	184​	29 1/8​	9 1/8​	4.51​	1.51​	33​	DNP​
Kyu Blu Kelly​	6003​	191​	32​	9 3/4​	4.52​	1.49​	36​	10'11"​
Tyrique Stevenson​	6002​	198​	32 5/8​	9 5/8​	4.45​	1.51​	38.5​	10'5"​
DJ Turner II​	5112​	178​	30 3/4​	9 5/8​	4.26​	1.47​	38.5​	10'11"​
Darius Rush​	6015​	198​	33 3/8​	9 1/2​	4.36​	1.51​	35​	10'1"​

 

[Beaker42]

Sadly I was out of touch for a few days as my mom passed away during the week. Talking Cowboys is my escape during this time. Things that I gathered over the last few days:

-As many know, fa deal's usually take place at the combine. There are some rumblings that the Cowboys are far apart in the contract talks with both Wilson/Lve. We have seen them show some interest in those positional groups. Think they will sign a veteran if Lve departs, but might look to the draft to replace Wilson.

-OBJ is going to be a Cowboy, unless someone goes Von Miller and sends the brinks truck to his house. Jerry cannot stop talking about him and even said he had a discussion with his mom.

-Speaking about the receivers, kind of disappointed. JSN refused to run, but tested very well outside of that. Surprised about some of the 40 times and Addison being so so light. Every top receiver has it's warts. Really like Mingo, huge hand size and runs a 4.4, much rather him in late day 2, then taking one of these top guys.

-Bobby Belt, who is a legitimate insider believes the team is targeting in no particular order: CB, RB and pass catcher WR or TE for our top 3 picks, with possibly OL sneaking in if a right player falls to them. He also said the Cowboys appeared fasiniated with the top TE's. Maybe they sign OBJ and get an elite TE and would fix our passing offense in a hurry. I wonder if this team will truly release Zeke, Jerry certainly wants to keep him, it's time to move on.

So very sorry for your loss, our Cowboys brother. I'll talk Cowboys with ya any day, any time. This is the draft where I wished we hadn't gone on that streak under Rush and just totally sucked this season. We can do well but things are going to have to fall right for us to get our guys.

_As for Addison, I'd rather have Flowers. If he's there at 26 I'll be elated.

 

[baltcowboy]

Sadly I was out of touch for a few days as my mom passed away during the week. Talking Cowboys is my escape during this time. Things that I gathered over the last few days:

-As many know, fa deal's usually take place at the combine. There are some rumblings that the Cowboys are far apart in the contract talks with both Wilson/Lve. We have seen them show some interest in those positional groups. Think they will sign a veteran if Lve departs, but might look to the draft to replace Wilson.

-OBJ is going to be a Cowboy, unless someone goes Von Miller and sends the brinks truck to his house. Jerry cannot stop talking about him and even said he had a discussion with his mom.

-Speaking about the receivers, kind of disappointed. JSN refused to run, but tested very well outside of that. Surprised about some of the 40 times and Addison being so so light. Every top receiver has it's warts. Really like Mingo, huge hand size and runs a 4.4, much rather him in late day 2, then taking one of these top guys.

-Bobby Belt, who is a legitimate insider believes the team is targeting in no particular order: CB, RB and pass catcher WR or TE for our top 3 picks, with possibly OL sneaking in if a right player falls to them. He also said the Cowboys appeared fasiniated with the top TE's. Maybe they sign OBJ and get an elite TE and would fix our passing offense in a hurry. I wonder if this team will truly release Zeke, Jerry certainly wants to keep him, it's time to move on.

My brother my prayers are with you and your family.
We pretty much have predicted on this site what the Cowboys are looking at. I think offensive line has fallen back because of the health of Steele and what they saw from Tyron at the end of the season. Tyron is still a top 15 left tackle and the best swing tackle in the league.