Draft offense-trade offense

[visionary]

Drafting Waddle or Smith would be sheer craziness

Pitts or Sewell I’d be happy to take but then I’m not trading Tyron and Schultz will bring a bag of chips. I’d be happy to trade Gallup if I could but I think the FO plans to sign him and move on from Cooper next season

 

[visionary]

While I agree, the Bengals thought he was, that was the premise.

happens every year

people over rate WRs abd CBs

neither is worth it

 

[Typhus]

happens every year

people over rate WRs abd CBs

neither is worth it

While I tend to agree, if say Chase and Slater are your choices at 10 with no trade back options available, who are you taking?

 

[visionary]

While I tend to agree, if say Chase and Slater are your choices at 10 with no trade back options available, who are you taking?

I’d say tough choice

 

[gimmesix]

TE's dont really seem to get much trade value. Outside of that, Ive been on board with moving some of the offensive players if we draft at their position. Trading Tyron would suck, but he isnt really reliable at this point. If the Bengals pass on Sewell for Chase, I think they would give us their 2nd for Tyron. They have Reif, but he is basically a big name backup now

I don't know on Schultz. It's hard to figure out value, but he's in his prime and showed great value as a blocker and receiver last year. With the mistakes we've seen made by our own team on second-round tight ends, I figure Schultz would be at least worth a third, which is why I put down trading him and a fourth for a second and sixth.

 

[gimmesix]

If they took Slater, they could move him to OG or move Collins to guard. I wouldn’t trade Smith for a number of reasons. I think he’s got a decent amount of time left and by keeping him, the whole OL is upgraded with Slater instead of it being a wash by moving Smith.

If Pitts is the pick, you could in theory move on from both Shultz and Gallup, getting back some value to upgrade the defense. Or you could trade a TE and get the third round comp pick for Gallup by keeping him one more year.

If it is WR, I agree about Gallup. I might rather keep Gallup and take Surtain or Horn instead of taking Smith and trading Gallup. However, I might do it for Waddle because he provides something that Gallup (or any other Dallas WR) doesn’t have: blazing, field-stretching speed. I’d love to see that added to the Dallas offense. It would be hard to deal with and Dak is becoming very adept at throwing deep.

That’s my $0.02

I think it's too much of a luxury to keep Smith if we draft a starting OT with the 10th pick. My move would be to trade Smith, move Collins to left tackle (where I think he ultimately belongs) and put Slater at right tackle. I understand the idea of it being a wash, but essentially we get the opportunity with the pick to get a much younger and healthier top-quality lineman, plus we get the extra pick with the trade to use elsewhere.

I think we absolutely have to focus on defense, so if offense is our best choice at 10, then we have to recoup an early pick to use on the other side of the ball.

 

[gimmesix]

Smith or Pitts and Lamb and Cooper would be the trio of receivers we've had in a long time. Greatest show on turf II?

Definitely, makes it hard to pass on them if they are there at 10. The trades that allow us to get one more first- or second-round defender are the only things that would make it palatable for me.

I really do hope that Dallas is gauging the market for that possibility. If we could get something like Pitts, Onwuzurike/Nixon and Melinfonwu in the first couple of rounds, I'd be pretty happy with that group or Smith, Campbell/Stokes and McNeill.

 

[AsthmaField]

I think it's too much of a luxury to keep Smith if we draft a starting OT with the 10th pick. My move would be to trade Smith, move Collins to left tackle (where I think he ultimately belongs) and put Slater at right tackle. I understand the idea of it being a wash, but essentially we get the opportunity with the pick to get a much younger and healthier top-quality lineman, plus we get the extra pick with the trade to use elsewhere.

I think we absolutely have to focus on defense, so if offense is our best choice at 10, then we have to recoup an early pick to use on the other side of the ball.

I completely get that logic, and I understand that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[morasp]

Definitely, makes it hard to pass on them if they are there at 10. The trades that allow us to get one more first- or second-round defender are the only things that would make it palatable for me.

I really do hope that Dallas is gauging the market for that possibility. If we could get something like Pitts, Onwuzurike/Nixon and Melinfonwu in the first couple of rounds, I'd be pretty happy with that group or Smith, Campbell/Stokes and McNeill.

I've mostly been thinking Defense/OT at 10 but I went back as far as I could (2014) and the draft grades by the same analyst on the guys this year were quite a bit better.

 

[AbeBeta]

While I am a big proponent of taking defense with most of our picks because we have to fix that side of the ball, I acknowledge that most of the players who are considered to be the top 10 in this draft are not defenders. In fact, some don't have any defenders in the top 10.

Ideally, I'd like to deal that pick and move down some to take one of the corners, Moehrig or Barmore and pick up another pick, but there may be a way to pick offense in the first round and still get an early pick to spend on the defense. I see three possible scenarios.

Draft Waddle or Smith at receiver and trade Michael Gallup. I'm not sure exactly what we could get for Gallup, but I think it could be a second-rounder and possibly a first if we throw in a third-round pick. I'd be good with that.

Draft Pitts at tight end and trade either Schultz or Jarwin (whichever has the most value, which I believe would be Schultz). I think we could possibly get a second for Schultz (who was 11th in receptions last year among tight ends) if we swap our fourth for the other team's sixth.

Draft Sewell or Slater at tackle and trade Tyron Smith. Not sure we could pull this one off because we'd have to restructure at least one contract to eat Smith's restructure and coming off injury, it might be tough to trade him. I think he's still young enough, though, at 30 (and he's played in at least 13 games in every season but last year) that we could get a second for him or possibly a first if, like with Gallup, we throw in a third. Teams would probably like his relatively low base salaries for the next couple of years.

I'm probably overestimating the value of these players with other teams, but if I'm the Joneses, I'm already putting it out there that these players might be for sale depending on how the draft goes in order to get the best offer.

A second. For Schultz.

April Fool.

 

[gimmesix]

A second. For Schultz.

April Fool.

No. A second and sixth for Schultz and a fourth, which works out to around a third-round pick, Without our starting QB, Schultz had 63 receptions for 615 yards last year. Only four tight ends had more receptions while 10 had more yards

 

[CowboyRoy]

While I am a big proponent of taking defense with most of our picks because we have to fix that side of the ball, I acknowledge that most of the players who are considered to be the top 10 in this draft are not defenders. In fact, some don't have any defenders in the top 10.

Ideally, I'd like to deal that pick and move down some to take one of the corners, Moehrig or Barmore and pick up another pick, but there may be a way to pick offense in the first round and still get an early pick to spend on the defense. I see three possible scenarios.

Draft Waddle or Smith at receiver and trade Michael Gallup. I'm not sure exactly what we could get for Gallup, but I think it could be a second-rounder and possibly a first if we throw in a third-round pick. I'd be good with that.

Draft Pitts at tight end and trade either Schultz or Jarwin (whichever has the most value, which I believe would be Schultz). I think we could possibly get a second for Schultz (who was 11th in receptions last year among tight ends) if we swap our fourth for the other team's sixth.

Draft Sewell or Slater at tackle and trade Tyron Smith. Not sure we could pull this one off because we'd have to restructure at least one contract to eat Smith's restructure and coming off injury, it might be tough to trade him. I think he's still young enough, though, at 30 (and he's played in at least 13 games in every season but last year) that we could get a second for him or possibly a first if, like with Gallup, we throw in a third. Teams would probably like his relatively low base salaries for the next couple of years.

I'm probably overestimating the value of these players with other teams, but if I'm the Joneses, I'm already putting it out there that these players might be for sale depending on how the draft goes in order to get the best offer.

So basically our last 3 drafts you want us to take a WR with our first pick?

Cooper/Trade, Lamb, Waddle?

All while our Oline, and defense crumble? About the worst idea I have heard in a week.

 

[gimmesix]

So basically our last 3 drafts you want us to take a WR with our first pick?

Cooper/Trade, Lamb, Waddle?

All while our Oline, and defense crumble? About the worst idea I have heard in a week.

I find that hard to believe. You have at least one daily.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I find that hard to believe. You have at least one daily.

What do you find hard to believe?

 

[CowboyRoy]

While I tend to agree, if say Chase and Slater are your choices at 10 with no trade back options available, who are you taking?

Slater and its not a thought.

 

[gimmesix]

I've mostly been thinking Defense/OT at 10 but I went back as far as I could (2014) and the draft grades by the same analyst on the guys this year were quite a bit better.

Really, there are four players I'd probably be hesitant to pass on for Surtain because I believe they are a level above him. That's Pitts, Chase, Sewell and Smith. The good news is one of those players will probably be available when we pick. And if not, Slater, who I have right outside of that group, should be, but that also would mean one of the top five quarterbacks is there and I would hope for a trade down somewhere between 10-20, where there's good value on the defensive side of the ball with players like Jaycee Horn, Trevon Moehrig and Jarmin Davis, among a few others.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Really, there are four players I'd probably be hesitant to pass on for Surtain because I believe they are a level above him. That's Pitts, Chase, Sewell and Smith. The good news is one of those players will probably be available when we pick. And if not, Slater, who I have right outside of that group, should be, but that also would mean one of the top five quarterbacks is there and I would hope for a trade down somewhere between 10-20, where there's good value on the defensive side of the ball with players like Jaycee Horn, Trevon Moehrig and Jarmin Davis, among a few others.

The better offensive players at 10 the better a chance for a trade down. I would be very happy with a pick in the teens and an extra 2nd rounder.

 

[JBS]

2nd round pick for Schultz??? Lololol

 

[morasp]

Really, there are four players I'd probably be hesitant to pass on for Surtain because I believe they are a level above him. That's Pitts, Chase, Sewell and Smith. The good news is one of those players will probably be available when we pick. And if not, Slater, who I have right outside of that group, should be, but that also would mean one of the top five quarterbacks is there and I would hope for a trade down somewhere between 10-20, where there's good value on the defensive side of the ball with players like Jaycee Horn, Trevon Moehrig and Jarmin Davis, among a few others.

That sounds about right. A trade down could easily net us an extra player with a starting grade in the draft.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Some of these trade expectations for our own players are ridiculous.

No one is trading a pick earlier than the 4th for Gallup if that. You can find receivers anywhere in the draft. Why pay for a solid not great WR in the last year of his deal?

No one will trade anything for Tyron. His medicals will terrify teams and if Dallas trades him teams will view it as they know something the rest of the league doesn’t.

As for Schulz? Who would trade anything for basically a JAG. You can find Schulz TEs in the 6th round. When someone is your only option at a position it’s not hard for them to put up numbers.