Draft our next QB in '14.

[Doomsday101]

if a good one falls to us early. To me that is the key. Main thing I want to see is this franchise continue to bring in good talent. Does Dallas have to get a QB this next draft? In my view no but if a quality QB is there and they like what they see in him the take him. As for McCarron I don't know Bama is not all about QB and yes the Tide wins. There are guys who are very good college QB but just do not have all the tools they need at this next level.

 

[Doomsday101]

Never said one thing about where you take QBs. However, since you bring it up, the stats say that QBs taken in the 1st round have a much higher probability of making it in the NFL. Now, it is possible that because of the salary scale now in place, those numbers might change a bit. Teams no longer have as large of an investment so the pressure to keep high picks on the roster are not as great. We will have to see how that plays out.

Not opposed to 1st rd QB and my comment was not to you to begin with and what I was responding to was the person who said we had to take a QB in the 1st rd. No you don't and there are enough QB current and in the HOF who were not 1st rd picks that can prove that point. We see a lot of the 1st rd QB who bust or never live up to the 1st rd pick.

 

[Doomsday101]

I like McCarron a lot. He does two things very well that the NFL likes. He takes care of the ball and he throws very accurately deep.

Yes and he plays for Bama, he is a good QB not a guy I would take in rd 1 and I think his future is iffy at best at the next level. He does protect the ball but the offense does not really center around the QB at Bama. Running game and defense does and they do not ask a lot out of the QB in terms of taking risk. I'm not shocked that he does a good job of protecting the ball so did Greg McElroy

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not opposed to 1st rd QB and my comment was not to you to begin with and what I was responding to was the person who said we had to take a QB in the 1st rd. No you don't and there are enough QB current and in the HOF who were not 1st rd picks that can prove that point. We see a lot of the 1st rd QB who bust or never live up to the 1st rd pick.

Perhaps the comment was not to me, and that is fine but you sent it directly to me and made no indication that is was for another poster. Just saying, responding to what you sent.

Stats do suggest, however, that QBs who are taken in the 1st round are much more prone to success in the NFL. The stats are staggering in this area. However, if we are looking for a QB to develop, with the intent to sit said QB and let him learn behind Romo for a few years, then I think we can look at other QBs who will not be 1st round picks. Chances of them developing are much less then QBs taken in the 1st but obviously it can be done. I am not apposed to this line of thought but I also can not say that posters who say 1st round QBs are the way to go are wrong either. Statistics support that approach much more then developing QBs taken later in the draft, if you truly want a starter and are not just looking for a decent backup.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes and he plays for Bama, he is a good QB not a guy I would take in rd 1 and I think his future is iffy at best at the next level. He does protect the ball but the offense does not really center around the QB at Bama. Running game and defense does and they do not ask a lot out of the QB in terms of taking risk. I'm not shocked that he does a good job of protecting the ball so did Greg McElroy

But I suspect that he is capable of much more then just driving the bus. His completion percentage when throwing long is very impressive. I think somebody is going to be very happy with him.

 

[Doomsday101]

Perhaps the comment was not to me, and that is fine but you sent it directly to me and made no indication that is was for another poster. Just saying, responding to what you sent.

Stats do suggest, however, that QBs who are taken in the 1st round are much more prone to success in the NFL. The stats are staggering in this area. However, if we are looking for a QB to develop, with the intent to sit said QB and let him learn behind Romo for a few years, then I think we can look at other QBs who will not be 1st round picks. Chances of them developing are much less then QBs taken in the 1st but obviously it can be done. I am not apposed to this line of thought but I also can not say that posters who say 1st round QBs are the way to go are wrong either. Statistics support that approach much more then developing QBs taken later in the draft, if you truly want a starter and are not just looking for a decent backup.

If I took a QB in rd 1 I would have to really be impressed in all phases. Frankly watching some of these #1 QB I don't know how the hell they were drafted in rd 1. Vince Young? JaMarcus Russell, Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, Matt Leinart. No doubt there are guys like when Aikman came out I was excited about him I'm not claiming to be an expert but I just saw a guy who just played and conducted himself as a true winner. Hard to explain. Some of these other may have had great athletic ability but lacked in areas I think are critical in NFL. Looking at this crop of QB none of them knock my socks off. Last QB that really impressed me was Luck.

 

[Doomsday101]

But I suspect that he is capable of much more then just driving the bus. His completion percentage when throwing long is very impressive. I think somebody is going to be very happy with him.

Maybe so, I'm not big into trashing young players and I think McCarron is a smart QB but I do question his overall ability. I just do not see a franchise QB when I watch him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If I took a QB in rd 1 I would have to really be impressed in all phases. Frankly watching some of these #1 QB I don't know how the hell they were drafted in rd 1. Vince Young? JaMarcus Russell, Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, Matt Leinart. No doubt there are guys like when Aikman came out I was excited about him I'm not claiming to be an expert but I just saw a guy who just played and conducted himself as a true winner. Hard to explain. Some of these other may have had great athletic ability but lacked in areas I think are critical in NFL. Looking at this crop of QB none of them knock my socks off. Last QB that really impressed me was Luck.

A lot of it, IMO, is the situation they get drafted into. A lot of them don't fit and a lot of them are reaches to begin with so I can see how they fail. The QB position is just so highly prized that you get players being artificially pushed up the draft board, which is why, IMO, the success rates for 1st round QBs are what they are. I'm not saying they are great. I'm saying they are much better if you take one in the 1st, then lower, if you want a starter. That's how bad it is in the NFL for starting QBs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maybe so, I'm not big into trashing young players and I think McCarron is a smart QB but I do question his overall ability. I just do not see a franchise QB when I watch him.

I think it's hard to tell with that team. They are good everywhere and so they don't always need to have him stand out. However, they did need him in the TAM game and he showed up.

 

[Displaced Cowboy]

Look at the current starters in the NFL.

Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, A Smith, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan, Stafford, Bradford, Locker, Newton, Tannehill, RGIII, Luck, Manuel. That is 17 former 1st round picks. That doesn't include Vick or Palmer current starters but not for much longer.

Add in Brees, Kaepernick, Dalton, and Geno Smith who were all taken in the first 7 picks of the second round.

That is 23 of 32 current NFL starters who were taken in the first 39 picks. That doesn't even account for guys like Ponder, Weeden, Gabbert, Freeman, etc who may be current starters but not long term solutions.

Look at the draft history. In the last 20 years the only guys who are viable NFL quarterbacks taken outside the top 39 (or not taken at all) are Brady, Romo, and Wilson. That's the list.

And that is my point. Sure you stand a pretty decent chance to bust on a 1st round QB, I know all the names. But history indicates you have next to no chance of landing a QB outside the top 40.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Just gimme a QB who is either tall and can hang tough in the pocket or a QB with some running ability. It's very tough being a QB without size and without much running ability in this league. Drew Brees is the lone exception but he has an offensive guru as coach who built an entire system around him.