Draft Overview: This Was Actually A Solid Draft For Us

[fishspill]

Winston Wolfe had a saying about times like these. I think we best let time tell how this draft went.

 

[cowboyz]

lets look at 2011

tyron
carter
Murray
arkin
josh Thomas
Dwayne Harris
chapas
Nagy


Kowalski
Bailey
Albright
tanned

looking pretty good, hope those guys continue to improve

 

[CT Dal Fan]

My only problem was the Escobar pick. I thought James Hanna was going to be the mis-match guy opposite Witten. Liked every other move...and Terrance Williams was a steal.

 

[Blackspider214]

Why on earth did we go TE in the 2nd round? That was ridiculous. That is not a need right now with Witten and we got Hanna last year. Get a d linemen right there or even another solid OL.

The back end of the draft made much more sense than the first part of it.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Every year NFL coordinators say they have the right talent to field a great offense/defense and every year at least half of them are wrong. Don't be afraid to think for yourself.

I think the point the guy was making was the Monte Kiffen gets the benefit of the doubt here. The guy has coached defensive football his entire life and is universally considered one of the best defensive minds in the game.


If Kiffen says he can make his defense work with what we have, then I got no problem drafting other areas. Besides, if our offense can give Kiffen 25 points a game to work with, it doesn't have to be shut down.

What I mean is, you ask Kiffen if he can hold the other team to 24 points or less with what we currently have on the roster on defense. If he says yes, then I got no problem drafting Miles Austin's replacement.

 

[Risen Star]

If you just look at the players it's probably a solid B draft. I like them all with maybe the exception of the last pick.

The fact that we took 2 secondary players that starts 4, to 1 lineman that starts 9, on a team so pathetically weak at the line of scrimmage, you have to downgrade it.

We once again half-bleeped and/or ignored our real issue. And we go into next season nearly the same team.

I can't give it anything higher than a C-. It's like they held their nose for the Frederick pick and then went back to having fun stockpiling players that don't matter when you can't block or get off blocks.

But hey. At least "The defensive line is a position of strength for this team." So we got that going for us.

 

[DFWJC]

Just a quick glance at the thread but my first impression was we added some speed.

But our first two picks will be two of the slowest in the entre nfl at the respective postions.
Not that 40 speed means anythng for a center. lol

 

[Teague31]

I liked it. Sure it would have been nice to address the DL. But you stick up there and you have holes elsewhere. No way we could solve all our problems in one draft.

 

[Risen Star]

I liked it. Sure it would have been nice to address the DL. But you stick up there and you have holes elsewhere. No way we could solve all our problems in one draft.

We can never find the value in linemen. We always manage to find defensive backs though. Tight ends too.

Hey, we couldn't do it all this year.

As I heard last year. And the year before. And the year before that.

 

[jamesdojr]

Couldn't have said it better myself... We needed Olinemen and Safety. Not TEs and CBs.

TE - Witten and Hanna - A-
CB - Claiborne and Carr, and Scandrick - A
WR - Bryant and Austin, and Harris - A-

Oline - Tyron Smith and scrubs - F
Safety - Church and Johnson? - ?

Even Dline is ok with...Ratliff, Spencer, Ware, Hatcher - B-

With no cap space we REALLY needed to use the draft to strengthen our weaknesses more so than most years... Unless our Oline magically improves or we sign some good free agents, this draft is disappointing... Not that the players are bad but that we didn't improve out team.. We are an 8-8 team going into the season with pretty much the exact same team. Not well thought out. Romo has had broken ribs, punctured lungs, broken collar bones, broken hand swollen up like a balloon.. What part of "we need to protect our QB" does management not understand???? What part of "we need to give our QB time to make throws and win games" does management not understand?
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SuperBowl! LOL

Its always funny to hear people act like all these draft picks will be immediate starters, none of them will bust and holes are filled.

If you want the truth about this draft it goes something like this:

1. First year lineman struggle mightely. So we can only pray that the new center not only becomes the guy we hope, but it is doubtful he is going to turn around our woes in one year.

2. This guy may be a good TE, but for next year, he will be a #3 TE. We have heard this 12, two TE nonsense for years and it has NEVER panned out. Why now?

3. Williams seems like a great value and may replace Austin in a year or two. However for next year he will be lucky to get 20 receptions and he ist our #4 WR at this point.

4. The safety only has one year at safety in his life so although he may turn out to be something down the road, he will be nothing but a special teams player next year.

So in summary, we will lucky to get one starter next year out of this draft and it will be a rookie lineman. The rest will all be backups that will hardly sniff the field in during games or not at all.

And last time I checked Free, and our two guards still needed to be replaced.

 

[Gaede]

Gotta agree with RS.

I like pretty much all of the players that we drafted, but we seriously ignored the weakest areas on the team for quality role players at positions that are already stacked.

Again, we got good players. And I am really excited about the offense with Escobar, Randle and Williams--but these aren't even starters (at least not right away)...Meanwhile, we will go into the season with livings and bernie in there, and possible even Free. That really hurts. We're good to draft backups at TE, RB, S, and CB, but we can't even throw a pick at a quality backup OL?

I think DL is good enough to get by. But that OL, even with Frederick, has the possibility of being really bad again. If they're counting on Leary, then we're screwed.

 

[InTheClouds]

I don't get your draft.

I thought Frederick was a bad pick in terms of value but hey, he was a high floor guy at an absolute need position. And then in round 2, you go with...a tight end. When you have Witten and Hanna. And I don't think he was anywhere near BPA; Hankins was the clear BPA at a need position, and Swearinger was better too, again at a need position. I love Terrance Williams and think he was a steal. Semi-need position and clear BPA. But then J.J Wilcox...? I thought there were at least 3 or 4 better safety prospects and he was miles from BPA. DaMontre Moore would have been a perfect pick for you, the Tampa 2 needs a solid rush rotation. Or just taken Shamarko or Phillip Thomas. B.W Webb is uh, okay? Meh pick, his talent didn't really pop off the screen. Khaled Holmes would have been another great value pick. The sheer depth of this class means that blowing 4ths and 5ths means you're actually giving up potential starters and I think Dallas did there. Holloway probably should have been Rambo. Swearinger round 2, Holmes round 5, and Rambo round 6 and this is suddenly a B+ draft. Right now it's a C minus. Or maybe reach for Brennan Williams round 2 who I did not like but he's gotta be better than Free...right? To be fair, the massive run on OL put you in a horrible spot.

I think after the first pick, your draft lost quite a bit of direction and you were unsure whether you're drafting for need or BPA.

 

[Zordon]

It's funny as soon as the season ends everyone starts demanding oline and dline for the next year.

Then the offseason progresses and the fervor weakens to the point that some of you are totally fine with the lack of upgrades in the trenches.

It's disgusting how quickly some of you forget the team going backwards on 3rd and 1, romo having a defender in his lap a second after snapping the ball and eli manning scrambling eggs while in the pocket.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Solid draft. Listening to the talking heads about how we are going to use the players and the skill set they bring explains a lot.

 

[wileedog]

It's funny as soon as the season ends everyone starts demanding oline and dline for the next year. .

Bottom line is if someone had told this board last Wednesday that we were going to reach to draft a C/OG in the first and then ignore the lines the rest of the draft, only draft a long term project at safety, and that our 2nd and 3rd round picks would be a TE and WR, this place would have gone ape-poop. Seriously.

As others have said I don't necessarily have a problem with most of the players we drafted. But its like we ignored what we actually needed. BPA can be taken too far.

 

[Ren]

We'll go into the next draft with more or less the same needs as this one. We got some good value in the later rounds but we didn't address the main holes holding this team back after the first round which is the trenches.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Why on earth did we go TE in the 2nd round? That was ridiculous. That is not a need right now with Witten and we got Hanna last year. Get a d linemen right there or even another solid OL.

The back end of the draft made much more sense than the first part of it.

And to think the Cowboys tried to trade next years 7th rounder late in the draft to get another TE (blocking TE). No team was interested, thanxfully. We could have had 4 TE's on next years roster. lol

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's funny as soon as the season ends everyone starts demanding oline and dline for the next year.

Then the offseason progresses and the fervor weakens to the point that some of you are totally fine with the lack of upgrades in the trenches.

It's disgusting how quickly some of you forget the team going backwards on 3rd and 1, romo having a defender in his lap a second after snapping the ball and eli manning scrambling eggs while in the pocket.

I would not call drafting a center in the first round ignoring the trenches. Its only the 2nd time Jerry has ever drafted an offensive lineman in the first round, Tyron Smith being the other.

If Jerry keeps using first rounders every year on o-line or d-line, he can spend the rest of the picks on whatever he wants the way I look at it.

 

[respectdatstar]

I am confused. Wasn't this the deepest draft at OL and DL in quite some time? Aren't those units where our biggest needs were heading into the draft? So, how can we be happy coming away from it all with one player from either category? Especially when said player was a phenomenal reach. Just seems like the same old thing. Jerry just went for the shiny objects that sell jerseys and did nothing to solidify the trenches.

 

[waving monkey]

If i may interject .My guess is Escobar will produce some TD's this year and 3-4 hundred yards. His presence on the field will take pressure off all the other weapons including Rb.If reports are true about his hands Romo will have another safety value that moves chains. As we all know big chucks of yards are wonderful but consistently moving the chain wins ball games.