Draft Watch: Whither the Safeties?

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Draft Watch: Whither the Safeties? by Rafael Vela on Feb 2, 2009 6:29 PM CST

Everybody knows safety ranks high on the Cowboys' wish list. The team lacks depth at the position. It's missed out on top prospects like Michael Griffin, Reggie Nelson and Tyrell Johnson the last two years. Roy Williams is due a huge payday in '09 and its not clear how much longer the team will carry his one-dimensional play.

This year offers more interesting safety prospects, but where will they go? The Cowboys pick 51st and 69th and depending on where you look for your draft information, that's either too late or just right to fill this need.





If you look at Scott Wright's just re-juggled draft rankings, you'll see the top four safety candidates -- William Moore, Rashard Johnson, Louis Delmas and Sean Smith -- all in the 30 to 44 range. Understand that these are raw rankings, not a prediction of where the players will be selected.

If history is any guide, the early second is where safety runs generally begin. Unless a player has a top, top ranking coming out of college, as Roy Williams (8th) Sean Taylor (5th) Michael Huff (7th) and Laron Landry (6th) Donte Whitner (8th) Troy Polamalu (most teams wait until the 2nd to fill the need. Mike Brown (39th) Ken Hamlin (42nd) Eugene Wilson (36th) Kenny Phillips (31st) Brodney Pool (32nd) and Bob Sanders (44th) were all snagged in this perennially meaty part of the draft.

There is no consistency to the rankings. The National Football Post's Wes Bunting predicted yesterday that Utah's Sean Smith, an early-entry junior, could be the first safety off the board -- because a team might play him at cornerback:

As of now, Smith is a bit of an unknown and is being looked at more as a second-round pick. But if he runs as well as expected (sub-4.5), I can’t see many teams passing on his tremendous upside in the first round.

Delmas, Johnson and Moore all appeared at the Senior Bowl and Delmas appears to have benefitted the most. He's now listed as 31st overall on Scout's Inc.'s ratings and he moved up a good dozen spots in Wright's ratings. If the Cowboys are serious about him, it seems they would have to consider moving up, as the Chargers did in '06 for Utah's Eric Weddle. Right? Here's where it gets murky.

In his ratings of risers and droppers, Scouts Inc's Todd McShay said this about the pre-Senior Bowl favorite William Moore:

We have had concerns about Moore's diagnostic skills and stiffness in his hips. Those concerns were confirmed when comparing him to other top safeties playing in the Senior Bowl, such as Delmas and Alabama's Rashad Johnson. Moore still could be a top-40 selection because of his outstanding size-speed combination, but he won't rank that high on our board.

So Moore might go in the top 40, but rank below Delmas and Johnson. More fuel for a move-up argument, right? Here's McShay again, rating the safeties as a group post-Senior Bowl:

Delmas and Johnson aren't as big as some of the other prospects but you wouldn't know it from watching them on the field. They were by far the most complete players of the group...While none of these prospects are expected to come off the board in the first two rounds, Delmas and Johnson project as early second-day selections. (emphasis mine)

See what I mean? Is McShay contradicting his own organization's ratings? Is this belief that the safeties won't go high based on talks with actual pro scouts at Mobile?

I'm hoping to split the difference. I'm hoping the group is undervalued as a whole and that just one of the Smith, Delmas, Johnson group drops into that early 2nd day, where Dallas is perfectly positioned, as they own Cleveland's pick, the 5th overall in the 3rd round.

Yesterday, the Post's Bunting gave some ammunition for this hope, with a four round deep, ten-tier board.

The Meat and Potatoes Draft

The breakdown shows that Dallas, if it stands pat, will likely compile a meat and potatoes draft, one short in skill position players and one heavy on offensive and defensive linemen, linebackers and a safety or perhaps two.

It won't be sexy, but if you're aware of Dallas biggest shortcomings, the breakdowns should make you smile. The Cowboys should get strong opportunities to fill their biggest needs -- safety, nose tackle, interior offensive linemen, with their first few picks. Using these deeper ratings as a guide, here is my latest mock. I'll probably change as the draft approaches, but for the moment, I'm assuming the Cowboys stay in their current slots.

2nd Round -- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

There's a bit of disagreement on him. Wright and Scouts Inc. rate him in the early 2nd. Bunting rates him as a solid 3rd rounder. I'm a big fan of the wisdom of crowds theory, that the group's cumulative knowledge is better than any single position, and the composite rating puts Johnson in the late-2nd/early-3rd tier.

The safety spot is rather shallow. If you want a safety with range and ball skills -- and I do -- I think the Cowboys need to obtain one of Delmas or Johnson. Delmas, and Utah's Sean Smith, have zoomed up to the late-1st/early-2nd tier. I don't see Dallas moving up to get them. I think they can get Johnson at 51.

Johnson played for Nick Saban, and gets high marks for his instincts and range. Saban plays a pro-style defense, so his players have shorter learning curves. Laron Landry has Saban's last big FS prospect and he moved from LSU's to Washington's secondary seamlessly.

If the Cowboys go in another direction, look at the o-line beef that could be available. Tier five, the solid 2nd rounders, includes the top center prospects Alex Mack and Max Unger, and OU road grader Duke Robinson. I would not complain if one of them was the pick.

3rd round -- Ron Brace, NT, Boston College

He weighed in at Mobile at 329 lbs. His BC teammate B.J. Raji stole the week, but i think Brace had the better game. He shows raw power, can push guards and centers backwards, and showed some hustle. In the 2nd quarter Brace started a rush, pulled off when the opposing QB threw a quick flare to a running back, and made the tackle 25 yards upfield. Any NT Dallas acquires would only have to contribute 20 or so plays per week, playing behind Jay Ratliff. Hope the draft board is accuate here; Brace is rated as a solid 3rd rounder. Dallas owns the 5th pick of the 3rd round.

4th round -- Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas

A player whose composite rating is the mid-to-late 3rd round. Dallas owns the first pick of the 4th round. It's not a reach to get him here, as centers tend to drop. The center position is deep, and Luigs seems to have the 4th overall rating, behind fellow Cs Mack, Unger and Eric Wood. Luigs played C and both guard positions in the Senior Bowl. He needs to get stronger, but he pulled effectively and pass blocked extremely well. He's got quick feet and held his ground against B.J. Raji.

4th round -- Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma

Loadholt had a so-so Senior Bowl,and had trouble with speed rushers while playing at his college position of left tackle. If he's going to make it, he'll be a right tackle. The late 4th is a much better risk for him. He's an extremely effective drive blocker, but he'll need a lot of coaching to smooth out his position change and of course, he'll need a lot of work on pass blocking. He's had off the field problems that need to be checked out.
 
My dream of Sean Smith at #51 is going to go up in smoke after the Combines. Happens to me every year where I pick someone and then they start rising.

If Duke Robinson last until the 2nd round I will be ecstatic. Trade up to the top of the 2nd to grab him if you have to. I think he goes in the 1st.
 
Hostile;2618601 said:
My dream of Sean Smith at #51 is going to go up in smoke after the Combines. Happens to me every year where I pick someone and then they start rising.

If Duke Robinson last until the 2nd round I will be ecstatic. Trade up to the top of the 2nd to grab him if you have to. I think he goes in the 1st.

My dream of getting #1 round prospects as undrafted free agents goes up in smoke every year for me too! :laugh2:
 
I hope we pick up a LB either in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds, assuming a solid prospect is there.
 
I just hope we get a legit, solid, safety in here with one of those draft picks. The kid from Alabama I like, at this point, but I've got to see the combines as well to see what he can do there.
 
Woods;2618685 said:
I hope we pick up a LB either in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds, assuming a solid prospect is there.


If we do, I want a down souf playa from the hood that plays with some swag.... Not another 'finesse' linebacker.
 
I just hope we land real talent. Last year was a pretty good year. Give me another talent draw like last year and I will be damn happy. Just dump the garbage the polutes the minds of these young players.
 
nyc;2618702 said:
I just hope we land real talent. Last year was a pretty good year. Give me another talent draw like last year and I will be damn happy. Just dump the garbage the polutes the minds of these young players.

You talking about Proctor and Barbie?

Soft play will do that.
 
McCordsville Cowboy;2618712 said:
You talking about Proctor and Barbie?

Soft play will do that.

Nope, I'm talking about the Tank Johnson's, Pacman's, and probably even TO. There are others, but people don't like it when I mention *him*. :laugh2:

EDIT: If that bum Spencer doesn't get his act together, I would put him on the block.
 
i dont mind duke robinson with our # 2 pick, but if he lasts into the 2nd round, you will have to trade up,

and yes, if you have read most of my posts, thats what i have been pointing too, we need quality players, not quanity

you can trade one of those extra 5th or 6th to move up into 2nd

Hostile, how far do you think Herman Johnson will fall?

if he lasts to the 4th or 5th round he could be a steal in one of those rounds, as you know they played him at ROT, and he didnt have a good game, so he fell some
 
Phil Loadholt in the 4th???? Wow, that kid dropped big time.


Where are the LBs??? Gotta take a LB (inside or even outside) before the 4th.
 
Sean Smith is a first round player. He is too fast to fall to 2 imho.

Loadholt to me a round 5 guy. He is a RT only and will struggle with nay quickness in pass rushers. He had a horrid Senior Bowl. In the practices I saw he was beaten routinely in pass rush drills.

I'd love the rest of the draft.

Brace is really a good motor and effort guy, reminds me of Casey Hampton a bit.

Rashad Johnson to me is a perfect fit here. He may not be an every down guy next year but he can play coverage schemes and he has a bright future. He is also going to go sometime close to where we pick, not 30 picks higher.

I think the safeties go:
Smith 20-30
Delmas 25-40
Johnson 35-50
Chung 45-60
Pegues 45-60
Moore 55-70

So obviously I see a pretty good round 2 run.

The one guy I would have loved last year but now avoid is Moore. He can play and will make a good player imho but he is not going to help much for a team badly in need of a safety who can man cover someone or make up lots of ground.
 
Our secondary has hurt us for too long. I dont think they mess around and miss on a guy they like.

Whatever it takes. Carpenter.... Curtis.... Crayton ..... could all be traded along w/ our 2nd to Miami for their 1st
 
Hostile;2618601 said:
My dream of Sean Smith at #51 is going to go up in smoke after the Combines. Happens to me every year where I pick someone and then they start rising.

Then from now on, PM Nors for advice on which player to pick...

That should immediately stop the prospect from rising anybody's board...
 
If Eric Wood is on the board when we pick in the 3rd, we better jump on him. I have a feeling that barring injury, he is going to have a very, very nice NFL career.
 
MarionBarberThe4th;2620110 said:
Our secondary has hurt us for too long. I dont think they mess around and miss on a guy they like.

Whatever it takes. Carpenter.... Curtis.... Crayton ..... could all be traded along w/ our 2nd to Miami for their 1st

rofl... dude, bill wouldn't give us his 1st for all those guys and our 2nd.

crayton might get us a 6th, curtis a 7th and carpenter i am not sure bill would even touch. yes, he drafted him, but he also cemented him to the bench.
 
Miami is hurting for WR's, Bill loves TE's, and Carpenter has to carry at least a 4th round value to Bill.
Plus Miami really does owe us :)

From where we are to Miami it wouldnt take a Ricky Williams type deal.

.....if we think Sean Smith is the guy
 
MarionBarberThe4th;2620110 said:
Our secondary has hurt us for too long. I dont think they mess around and miss on a guy they like.

Whatever it takes. Carpenter.... Curtis.... Crayton ..... could all be traded along w/ our 2nd to Miami for their 1st

That would never happen:laugh2: good joke though
 
Sean Smith will drop out of the first round. Look at the teams 20-32..are they going to draft a guy who they don't know will play safety or corner will that high of a pick? He's going as a Safety at the combine, so trying to convert him could be costly. He could slip by Miami and just keep tumbling

21-Philly..highly doubt it. Thier secondary is pretty solid and have alot of safetys that contribute already. PASS
22 Vikings-Paid a bunch of money for Madeu Williams last year and have Sharper. PASS
23-Pats- maybe, but they have Harrison and Meriwhether, I highly doubt they take him. PASS
24-Atlanta- They do need help on defense, but they will go D-line or OLB here.PASS
25-Miami- This is the only place I could see him go. This will be the deciding factor PASS*
26-Ravens- Ed Reed,Leonard/Landry.enough said PASS
27-Colts- Bob Sanders, Bethea PASS
28-Philly-PASS
29-Giants..spent a first rounder last year on Phillips and they like Tyrell and Butler. PASS
30. Tennessee- Hope and Griffin. PASS
31.Cards-Adrian Wilson and Antrell Rolle.PASS
32-Pitt- Poly and Ryan Clark. PASS

Of course teams can trade up and down and players could keep falling which changes alot, but there's still a good chance. If he's there at 35-40 I make no hesitation and trade for him!!
 
Pats are dying for a DB. And Harrison sounded pretty retired last time I heard him

And I think the CB/S thing helps him. Minny, Baltimore, Arizona, and Pitt could all use a corner
 

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