Drafting STs

[jobberone]

A lot of people here are all over this 'we drafted STs' this year. I don't understand this at all. Unless you're talking about many late round 2 picks being at the bottom of the roster and making the team as a secondary or tertiary backup AND STs player then ok.

If you're talking about those SP guys like a nickel LB or a slot CB then ok. You have to have either someone on the team who can play all three downs or have that cover LB for the nickel/dime. Even a third down RB.

I recognize the league has gotten into more and more specialty players and packages.

But I thought you were always looking for players to push for starting jobs in at least year 3. Was Burnett drafted to be a nickel LB? Or was he drafted to be a fast and physical enough LB to play somewhere in the 3-4 at some point in time. Was Scandrick drafted to be a slot CB? Or was he drafted as a very good value pick with hopes of being able to play some snaps at CB and contribute?

Personally, I think it's a mistake to draft too many specialized players, have too many on the active and game day roster, and not be looking down the road on each draft.

Certainly not a big deal but I'm just confused by the idea we drafted backups and ST's players.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

good post

I can't understand why people are complaining, when we had ONE 1st Day pick, and only 2 in the top 3 rounds
the 1st 3 rounds are where you traditionally go for starters in

plus it's not like we have that many holes to fill: a complementary receiver (although Crayton has proven to be a solid #2), a backup NT (those aren't hard to find), a nickel LB (we drafted Jason Williams), a backup QB (drafted McGee, traded for Kitna), possibly a LG to push Kosier (he's a solid starter and apparently the glue to our Oline)

we didn't get that LT, but they weren't in our range this year

oh yeah, SS, which we drafted Michael Hamlin and signed Sensy

 

[cowboyjoe]

Thats what some fans are upset about, trading out of 2nd round, and not getting a starter while the eagles and giants improved,


Yes, the cowboys got backups that can push for a starting job in 2 to 3 years, but the cowboys needed some starters now and to push players like greg ellis, flozell adams, its true we need special teams players, and its sad when you have guys on the roster that dont want to play special teams. Some of the attitude of this team and the players is way off and wrong.

 

[DallasEast]

Thats what some fans are upset about, trading out of 2nd round, and not getting a starter while the eagles and giants improved,


Yes, the cowboys got backups that can push for a starting job in 2 to 3 years, but the cowboys needed some starters now and to push players like greg ellis, flozell adams, its true we need special teams players, and its sad when you have guys on the roster that dont want to play special teams. Some of the attitude of this team and the players is way off and wrong.

Correction. Possibly getting a starter out of the second round. Unless we had traded up to the top of the second to land one of higher ranked safeties, it's highly unlikely that any of the targeted draft picks would have started in '09. That's one of the reasons why the trade down happened. Didn't shock me at all.

 

[jterrell]

Thats what some fans are upset about, trading out of 2nd round, and not getting a starter while the eagles and giants improved,


Yes, the cowboys got backups that can push for a starting job in 2 to 3 years, but the cowboys needed some starters now and to push players like greg ellis, flozell adams, its true we need special teams players, and its sad when you have guys on the roster that dont want to play special teams. Some of the attitude of this team and the players is way off and wrong.

No offense but that's why most fans have their football iqs questioned.

Who sitting there at 51 would have started for us?

We took Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins both in the 20s and neither guy was a walk in stater. We took Spencer two years ago well higher than 51 and he is a rotational player.

Nothing says none of these guys they drafted can or can't be starters.

The team drafted 3 or 4 pass rushers and a few cover guys to do those things and the fact they can play on special teams is what buys them time to learn those roles.

Did New England add Matt Cassell to beat out Tom Brady?

You add the best football players you can, hope you have a plan for those guys and let the chips fall where they may.

Last year's team had ignored Special Teams, and that showed up so they renewed an emphasis there with a new coach and some players capable of helping, but no one we drafted outside of the 5th round kicker is solely a special teamer. The best special teamer aside from the kicker is Stephen Hodge and already at rookie camp he was out there making plays as a linebacker.


We didn't draft Bobby Carpenter as a special teamer is just turned out that's what he is. We wish some of those guys we drafted could have at least played special teams because they in fact could play nothing.

I am struggling to come up with the last rookie that started for us in a base offense or defense and it may be Ware/Spears.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Correction. Possibly getting a starter out of the second round. Unless we had traded up to the top of the second to land one of higher ranked safeties, it's highly unlikely that any of the targeted draft picks would have started in '09. That's one of the reasons why the trade down happened. Didn't shock me at all.

all i know and believe is that unger would have been a starter by the end of the year and i heard that the cowboys wanted 2 of the players that went 3 spots before the cowboys picked in the 2nd round

here is list of players picked 3 spots before we drafted in 2nd round;
McBath, Darcel CB 6'0" 198 Texas Tech
Pick Analysis: null
[+] 17 (49) Seahawks (From Bears) Unger, Max OT 6'5" 309 Oregon
Pick Analysis: null
[+] 18 (50) Browns (From Buccaneers) Massaquoi, Mohamed

 

[arglebargle]

Yeah, you don't get a lot of immediate starters late in the 2nd round of the draft. Especially not at left tackle. And it's pretty apparent that the targetted safeties went off the board by the early 2nd.

I keep remembering the account that in the lower rounds the Cowboys tend to target players who do at least one thing exceptionally well. The targets this draft seemed to have been good character, hustle, and desire to play football. Being good pass rushers and showing a knack for interceptions seem to also have been high on the list.

 

[arglebargle]

all i know and believe is that unger would have been a starter by the end of the year and i heard that the cowboys wanted 2 of the players that went 3 spots before the cowboys picked in the 2nd round

here is list of players picked 3 spots before we drafted in 2nd round;
McBath, Darcel CB 6'0" 198 Texas Tech
Pick Analysis: null
[+] 17 (49) Seahawks (From Bears) Unger, Max OT 6'5" 309 Oregon
Pick Analysis: null
[+] 18 (50) Browns (From Buccaneers) Massaquoi, Mohamed

In retrospect, you might wish they'd've traded up five spots to nab Unger. On the other hand, with three picks to go, they were also probably looking at two to three guys that they liked. What are the odds they'd all be gone...

I am pretty sure that they ended up going with plan B, but a good strategy should always have a good fallback position.

 

[Angus]

No offense but that's why most fans have their football iqs questioned.

Who sitting there at 51 would have started for us?

We took Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins both in the 20s and neither guy was a walk in stater. We took Spencer two years ago well higher than 51 and he is a rotational player.

Nothing says none of these guys they drafted can or can't be starters.

The team drafted 3 or 4 pass rushers and a few cover guys to do those things and the fact they can play on special teams is what buys them time to learn those roles.

Did New England add Matt Cassell to beat out Tom Brady?

You add the best football players you can, hope you have a plan for those guys and let the chips fall where they may.

Last year's team had ignored Special Teams, and that showed up so they renewed an emphasis there with a new coach and some players capable of helping, but no one we drafted outside of the 5th round kicker is solely a special teamer. The best special teamer aside from the kicker is Stephen Hodge and already at rookie camp he was out there making plays as a linebacker.


We didn't draft Bobby Carpenter as a special teamer is just turned out that's what he is. We wish some of those guys we drafted could have at least played special teams because they in fact could play nothing.

I am struggling to come up with the last rookie that started for us in a base offense or defense and it may be Ware/Spears.

You make too much sense for some of these guys to follow, jterrell. Excellent post.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

In retrospect, you might wish they'd've traded up five spots to nab Unger. On the other hand, with three picks to go, they were also probably looking at two to three guys that they liked. What are the odds they'd all be gone...

I am pretty sure that they ended up going with plan B, but a good strategy should always have a good fallback position.

And didn't Adam say that to move up five spots, it would've take our 3rd and second 4th? Was Unger worth Jason and Brandon Williams?

I doubt it.

 

[jobberone]

And didn't Adam say that to move up five spots, it would've take our 3rd and second 4th? Was Unger worth Jason and Brandon Williams?

I doubt it.

Excellent points. I wanted Unger but you can't get caught up too much into one player. With no first it would have been very risky to give up two relatively high picks to move up five spots. IMO. Unger may bust and the Williams could be probowlers.

I wasn't particularly happy with some of the picks last year and that draft looks very good so far.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Someone in our Front office said we drafted Football players who play Special teams not Special team players. The Value just wasn't there in this years overall weak draft and Jerry didn't want to trade any of next years picks. I have a feeling down the road we will like this draft and at the least we got some Pass rushers and may have finally fixed the secondary.

 

[Rush 2112]

Given our last 10-12 years in the 2nd round i'll take 3's and 4's unless we think we've got a lock there.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Someone in our Front office said we drafted Football players who play Special teams not Special team players.

:signmast:

 

[MONT17]

good post

I can't understand why people are complaining, when we had ONE 1st Day pick, and only 2 in the top 3 rounds
the 1st 3 rounds are where you traditionally go for starters in

plus it's not like we have that many holes to fill: a complementary receiver (although Crayton has proven to be a solid #2), a backup NT (those aren't hard to find), a nickel LB (we drafted Jason Williams), a backup QB (drafted McGee, traded for Kitna), possibly a LG to push Kosier (he's a solid starter and apparently the glue to our Oline)

we didn't get that LT, but they weren't in our range this year

oh yeah, SS, which we drafted Michael Hamlin and signed Sensy

Its funny when ppl say we didnt have many needs... thats like saying I dont wanna have kids because I dont have any chores around the house.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I had no problem with this draft save for using a pick to get an additional pick next year. There just wasn't a lot of value in the second round especially and I am sure this played a big role in why they moved out of it.

 

[Biggems]

IMO, the guys I wanted would have been good ST players.....and even better role players. But, I dont get paid to scout the prospects or make these decisions.....so I will just have to trust those in charge.

really, my only complaint is drafting Johnson instead of Cosby.