Drew after 9 games: 2002 vs 2005

[Trip]

On the other hand, there probably isn't a lot of Hall of Fame support here for a guy with a career 70-something rating and no SB wins, either.

He's sweet to our sore eyes, but he ain't Aikman.

 

[gbrittain]

PS Neil. I came to Dallas fandom via Bill. It can happen that you too will get addicted to the team as well as one personality.

I hope it does.

Your pleasure will increase a hundredfold once it becomes about the team more than the coach or player.

You may have addressed this in the past, but what happens to you when Big Bill is outta here?

 

[big_neil]

On the other hand, there probably isn't a lot of Hall of Fame support here for a guy with a career 70-something rating and no SB wins, either.

He's sweet to our sore eyes, but he ain't Aikman.

Aikman never threw for even 3500 yards in a season, even with all those great teams. Drew will do that in his first try. Drew did it 7 straight times (1994-2000). Only an injury or Buffalo's O-Line could prevent Drew from doing that.

Only once did Aikman throw 20 TDs in a season. Drew did that 2/3 times in Buffalo, and also 94,96,97,98, (every playoff year).

Aikman had 141 interceptions in 140 games, and only 165 TDs (1.17 TD/INT ratio). Drew is 235/189 (1.24 ratio).

Statistically, Aikman really can't compete with Drew. And his rating was only about 3 points higher (81 vs 78).

 

[big_neil]

Face it bashers: Drew is a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame.

 

[big_neil]

No QB can carry a bad team to 3 Super Bowls. The mid-90's Dallas Cowboys were one of the best teams of all time. I find it hard to believe Drew wouldn't have had a higher rating and won a few SB if he played in Dallas his whole career. Dallas is not New England in the winter. Have any of you even been to New England in the winter? Ever hear of a Noreaster?

 

[Hostile]

Aikman never threw for even 3500 yards in a season, even with all those great teams. Drew will do that in his first try. Drew did it 7 straight times (1994-2000). Only an injury or Buffalo's O-Line could prevent Drew from doing that.

Only once did Aikman throw 20 TDs in a season. Drew did that 2/3 times in Buffalo, and also 94,96,97,98, (every playoff year).

Aikman had 141 interceptions in 140 games, and only 165 TDs (1.17 TD/INT ratio). Drew is 235/189 (1.24 ratio).

Statistically, Aikman really can't compete with Drew. And his rating was only about 3 points higher (81 vs 78).

A wise old cowboy once told me, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Another wise old cowboy once told me "liars figure and figures lie."

What does this have to do with your post? Okay, I'll explain it to you. Troy Aikman was better than Bledsoe without a doubt.

If both guys were in their prime and on the same team regardless of the offense Troy Aikman would start and Bledsoe would backup.

Season and career statistics can be manipulated. The fact of the matter is Aikman never played for a coach or offense that threw the ball like Bledsoe has. He did 1 thing as good as anyone who ever played the game. He won when it mattered. Bledsoe hasn't. Period.

You never answered my question above. You're going to get athlete's tongue if you keep sticking your feet in your mouth.

Oh, and yes we've all heard of a noreaster. If you think it's more difficult to play in the cold than it is the heat you'd be mistaken. Over 90 degrees and high himidity can put a player in life threatening situations. The cold is more uncomfortable for the fans and players, but it is hardly life threatening. In other words cold, heat, wind, elevation, hostile crowds, all make playing hard and no one is really that much harder than the other.

 

[Cowchips]

It's also cool to change Divisions and Conferences!

You guys will really like me and my brother-in-law. He is a fan of the Giants and New England and I am a fan of the Cowboys and Colts. Does it get any better than that for rivalrys on the holidays

 

[Cowchips]

Aikman was a game manager with a great running back. He never had Drew's natural ability.

Drew has had to carry bad teams (accept the C. Martin years) because their running games always sucked or the runner was undependable (T. Henry).

Neither is better than the other, both styles work. Having said that I wonder if Drew would trade places with Aikman, whose great D's and running games let him win a few SB's even if he own ability was average.

 

[dbair1967]

Aikman never threw for even 3500 yards in a season, even with all those great teams. Drew will do that in his first try. Drew did it 7 straight times (1994-2000). Only an injury or Buffalo's O-Line could prevent Drew from doing that.

Only once did Aikman throw 20 TDs in a season. Drew did that 2/3 times in Buffalo, and also 94,96,97,98, (every playoff year).

Aikman had 141 interceptions in 140 games, and only 165 TDs (1.17 TD/INT ratio). Drew is 235/189 (1.24 ratio).

Statistically, Aikman really can't compete with Drew. And his rating was only about 3 points higher (81 vs 78).

again the argument is clear- stats are for losers

there isnt a single GM who'd have taken Drew Bledsoe over Troy Aikman if both were in their primes...Bledsoe probably has a slightly stronger arm, but Aikman was far more accurate and a better overall passer...Aikman was also fearless in the pocket...he would stand in there and take the big hits while delivering a perfect pass for a big play

David

 

[big_neil]

If you think it's more difficult to play in the cold than it is the heat you'd be mistaken.

This is a ridiculous statement. It is shameless self service and ignorance. It's a fact that ALL QBs see their numbers decline in the snow and cold.

 

[Hostile]

This is a ridiculous statement. It is shameless self service and ignorance. It's a fact that ALL QBs see their numbers decline in the snow and cold.

You're talking about numbers.

I'm talking about hard to play.

There's a difference.

You still haven't answered my question.

 

[big_neil]

Aikman and Bledsoe are very different QBs. Neither was remarkably better than the other. But longevity was not Aikman's strength. Bledsoe has already played 41 more games than Aikman did.

 

[Hostile]

Aikman and Bledsoe are very different QBs. Neither was remarkably better than the other. But longevity was not Aikman's strength. Bledsoe has already played 41 more games than Aikman did.

You still haven't answered my question.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

This is a ridiculous statement. It is shameless self service and ignorance. It's a fact that ALL QBs see their numbers decline in the snow and cold.

Really ? A Fact ?

If I recall Jim Kelly was a hell of a QB.

What number are we talking about completion percentage ?
Because honestly thats the only one that would matter.

Yards ? Pointless.
Attempts ? Pointless.

Seriously what numbers ?

 

[dbair1967]

Aikman and Bledsoe are very different QBs. Neither was remarkably better than the other. .

please...one WAS markedly better than the other...

I am guessing there is a 99.9% chance your another one of these people who never saw Aikman play from 91-95

David

 

[big_neil]

Hostile, I thought it was a rhetorical question. I still think it is.

 

[big_neil]

Really ? A Fact ?

What number are we talking about completion percentage ?
Because honestly thats the only one that would matter.

Seriously what numbers ?

Drew throws for way more yards than Aikman did, 15% more yards per game. On average his completions were for 1 yard more than Aikman's. Naturally as you go from an 11 yard pass to a 12 yard pass, your completion percentage goes down. AIkman was a short pass QB, Drew is a long pass QB.

Drew had more TDs, and a better TD to INT ratio.

Drew had 8 3500+ yard seasons: Aikman none.

Drew is in the top 10 all time in Comp, Att and Yards.

Drew is nearly on a 4000 yard pace, meaning he would hold the season yardage record for 3 clubs in the NFL, and not just any franchises: New England, Buffalo and Dallas who have gone to at least 14 Super Bowls between them.

 

[big_neil]

please...one WAS markedly better than the other...
David

In the playoffs yes, but not statistically in the regular season. They're not leagues apart as some claim. Based on ratings, Aikman was a B- and Bledsoe a C+, and he's not done yet. If he has a couple seasons like he's having, his rating could reach 81 too.

 

[big_neil]

Aikman started awesome in the playoffs, but in his last 3 playoff games (at only age 30-31) he was 0-3 with 2 TDs 8 INT

 

[big_neil]

Did Troy age that quickly or was the team not so good anymore?