Drew Boylhart (the huddle report): Tyron Smith

[marchetta]

Drew's comments regarding Tyron during a recent PackersChatter draft chat...

Link: http://packerchatters.com/?p=21185

8:36 - Drew Boylhart:
"Tyron should be drafted as a RT and RT only because mentally, I don't think he can be a LT. It takes a lot of mental stamina to be a LT. Maybe, in a few years, he could be a LT, but I would draft him as a RT and not expect any more than that."

Regarding the Packers bundling up picks to move up in the draft to get Tyron...
8:54 - "Tyron, in my opinion, is very limited to RT and would definitely not be worth the trade value to move high in the 1st round to get him."

I've never heard any analyst question Tyron's mental stamina, or his ability to be limited to the ORT due to mental deficiencies. Thoughts?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think he has question as to why he did not play LT at USC. He believes he is physically the most gifted Tackle Prospect in the draft. He doesn't like the fact that He doesn't come off the ball very quickly and his slide step to his right is a bit lazy. He doesn't see him as very sudden out of his stance and I think he might attribute it to his mental ability at this point in his career. The kid has not seen a lot of time at Tackle and I think Drew probably feels as if he is uncertain in his actions. The right side is a more physical game then the left side for an Offensive Tackle. Drew feels like you have to be mentally tougher to play the left side because it is more strategy then just brute force.

He thinks that if you draft Smith, you should draft him with the intent of playing him at RT and not LT. It has more to do with the age of Smith and how Boylhart evaluates the OT position I think. That is my opinion of his evaluation.

 

[YosemiteSam]

What is Drew Boylhart's bio other than being an mediot? I can't find a single thing except the fact that he writes for the media. (The huddle report)

If that is all he has done, then he knows about as much as our armchair fans do. All of nothing.

I will listen to more credible sources before I accept that.

 

[Gaede]

What is Drew Boylhart's bio other than being an mediot? I can't find a single thing except the fact that he writes for the media. (The huddle report)

If that is all he has done, then he knows about as much as our armchair fans do. All of nothing.

I will listen to more credible sources before I accept that.

Can't you admit that it is just a little bit possible that Tyron Smith actually has some weaknesses?

 

[johnnyd]

Can't you admit that it is just a little bit possible that Tyron Smith actually has some weaknesses?

lol nice .. the under over on 41gy# respones to this thread is 5 .

My opinion is that most players get labeled by the position they play first. like remember last year when there where questions about Free having to play LT a position he never played before? it happens all the time in other sports as well. like netfali feliz is labled a closer now but he was a starter in the minors .

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Can't you admit that it is just a little bit possible that Tyron Smith actually has some weaknesses?

A mental weakness is a pretty low blow and you just don't see that with Tyron Smith who is an extremely hard worker and has a very positive attitude.


I don't agree with this mental assessment, Flo wasn't the brightest bulb anyway.

Just admitting that playing LT is pretty much all about physicality clears his erroneous statements up pretty quickly.

 

[SMCowboy]

Can't you admit that it is just a little bit possible that Tyron Smith actually has some weaknesses?

I will certainly admit that Tyron Smith has weaknesses. But when his own head coach in college and now current NFL head coach says he CAN play left tackle I personally put a whole lot more weight on his judgement of a player than Drew Boylhart's.

And I would still question his record at predicting success. I don't use his service because he tries to charge money for it. But the times I have seen his free stuff, I don't remember his success rate being anything to write home about.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Can't you admit that it is just a little bit possible that Tyron Smith actually has some weaknesses?

I never said he didn't have one, I just said he is WAY better than every other tackle in the draft. The guy saying he *mentally can't play* LT, is ignorant. The guy has no basis to say such a thing.

Show me someone who has a damn clue, you know a *real* scout that says he can't play LT. You can't find one, cause nobody except people without any real experience in the subject has said such a thing. (this guy and Bucky Brooks who was a freaking kick returner when he played)

 

[Gaede]

I never said he didn't have one, I just said he is WAY better than every other tackle in the draft. The guy saying he *mentally can't play* LT, is ignorant. The guy has no basis to say such a thing.

OK, sounds good. Btw, you and others have done a very job of selling Smith recently that I have actually come around on him at #9

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I will certainly admit that Tyron Smith has weaknesses. But when his own head coach in college and now current NFL head coach says he CAN play left tackle I personally put a whole lot more weight on his judgement of a player than Drew Boylhart's.

And I would still question his record at predicting success. I don't use his service because he tries to charge money for it. But the times I have seen his free stuff, I don't remember his success rate being anything to write home about.

For the record, Boylhart never said he could not play LT. He said that you should not draft him with the expectation that he could start at LT immediately.

That's a true statement as far as I can tell.

 

[YosemiteSam]

OK, sounds good. Btw, you and others have done a very job of selling Smith recently that I have actually come around on him at #9

Here, these are my issues with Tyron Smith.

• He is young and could definitely use another year of experience before getting thrown to the wolves at the NFL level.
• He physically hasn't developed completely. You would prefer for him to be closer to his full physical maturity before being drafted.
• Again, at 20 he is very young and mentality not fully developed either. That isn't saying he can't play LT, it's a mental maturity thing. People don't question his worth ethic and characters, so I'm okay with him only being 20 in that aspect.
• Drafting someone in the top 10, you want them to be a starting LT from the get go.
• I would like him to have a meaner mentality. (not that he is soft mind you, but I like mean (Marc Colombo type guys)

All that said, I think the guy WILL be a LT when it's all said and done. If he is a Cowboy, I think he will at some point unseat Doug Free at the LT spot. The fact that he isn't ready for the LT position makes it harder to draft him top 10, but I have three reason make me over look that.

1. First is we have Doug Free at LT no I don't absolutely need him NOW at LT
2. Second is his potential is through the roof
3. Finally we do need a RT and I have no doubts that he can start at RT this year.

For me, it appears to be a win, win, win situation making the pick at #9 very much worth it.

 

[YosemiteSam]

8:36 - Drew Boylhart:
"Tyron should be drafted as a RT and RT only because mentally, I don't think he can be a LT. It takes a lot of mental stamina to be a LT. Maybe, in a few years, he could be a LT, but I would draft him as a RT and not expect any more than that."

For the record, Boylhart never said he could not play LT. He said that you should not draft him with the expectation that he could start at LT immediately.

That's a true statement as far as I can tell.

Actually, he did in fact say he didn't think he could play LT. He only threw out the "Maybe, in a few years, he could be a LT" to protect himself if he was wrong, but he clearly stated in perfect English that he didn't think he could play LT.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually, he did in fact say he didn't think he could play LT. He only threw out the "Maybe, in a few years, he could be a LT" to protect himself if he was wrong, but he clearly stated in perfect English that he didn't think he could play LT.

That's not what he said. He said he should be drafted as a RT only and perhaps in a few years he could be a LT. IE, don't expect him to start at LT if you draft him.

 

[speedkilz88]

lol nice .. the under over on 41gy# respones to this thread is 5 .

My opinion is that most players get labeled by the position they play first. like remember last year when there where questions about Free having to play LT a position he never played before? it happens all the time in other sports as well. like netfali feliz is labled a closer now but he was a starter in the minors .

In Free's case it was bogus. RT just happened to be the first position Cowboys fans saw him play. He was a LT in college, he was drafted by the Cowboys to project to LT and he practiced at LT. The only reason he played RT was because Colombo got hurt. He played well but he is not the ideal type to play RT because he isn't a power player. He is a technical, finesse guy with quick feet that is ideal for the left side.

 

[TheCount]

A mental weakness is a pretty low blow and you just don't see that with Tyron Smith who is an extremely hard worker and has a very positive attitude.


I don't agree with this mental assessment, Flo wasn't the brightest bulb anyway.

Just admitting that playing LT is pretty much all about physicality clears his erroneous statements up pretty quickly.

He's not saying he thinks Tyron is dumb.

He's saying he's not sure Tyron, at this point in his career, has the mental toughness to keep his head and battle throughout an entire game.

What he's basing that on, I have no idea.

 

[YosemiteSam]

8:36 - Drew Boylhart:
"Tyron should be drafted as a RT and RT only because mentally, I don't think he can be a LT. It takes a lot of mental stamina to be a LT. Maybe, in a few years, he could be a LT, but I would draft him as a RT and not expect any more than that."

That's not what he said. He said he should be drafted as a RT only and perhaps in a few years he could be a LT. IE, don't expect him to start at LT if you draft him.

/shrug It reads as though he doesn't believe at all that he can play LT and only threw out the maybe comment just in case he is wrong.

What he said seemed clear and concise to me, but I'm not going to argue his intent with you.

 

[SMCowboy]

/shrug It reads as though he doesn't believe at all that he can play LT and only threw out the maybe comment just in case he is wrong.

What he said seemed clear and concise to me, but I'm not going to argue his intent with you.

I agree. I am not going to argue about it. But he does go a step further even and say:

but I would draft him as a RT and not expect any more than that.

Sure sounds to me like he is saying you don't draft him expecting him to even be a left tackle. Maybe you get lucky in a few years, but don't draft him expecting it....

 

[TheCount]

Sure sounds to me like he is saying you don't draft him expecting him to even be a left tackle. Maybe you get lucky in a few years, but don't draft him expecting it....

That's exactly what he's saying.

That's still different than saying he can't play LT.

For what it's worth, I don't think you can take a tackle in the Top 10 unless A) He projects to the left side or B) He was absolutely dominant at RT in college

If you believe Boylhart, then I'd say that's two strikes right there.

 

[SMCowboy]

That's exactly what he's saying.

That's still different than saying he can't play LT.

I would disagree... Saying don't expect it, is another way of saying I don't think he can.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

He's saying he's not sure Tyron, at this point in his career, has the mental toughness to keep his head and battle throughout an entire game.

What he's basing that on, I have no idea.

Thus far the evidence sets purely to his own conjecture.