Drew Henson: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

kartr said:
I enjoyed your analysis. Some of it was fair and some not so fair, but the bottom line is that he hasn't distinguished himself as a world-beater in an inferior league where other qb's such as Rohan Davey did, yet can't find a starting gig or even a 2nd string gig. This tells you that Henson project is a waste of time cause even an underachiever like Chris Simms began to put it together in his 3rd year. Chris Simms was 3rd round pick who had first round talent, Henson is a 3rd round pick who supposedly has talent. Clearly drafting a qb last year, such as Jason Campbell or Omar Jacobs this year, both of whom were available to us would have been better options. Yes I know we already had two young qb's, but logically neither have ever been realistic options. If Henson doesn't develop, we'll have thrown away a 3rd round pick that won't even start as many as games as Chad Hutchinson. And that's pathetic.
Rohan Davey..........:lmao2:Good call. Hey. Ya think he's still pissed that he got beat out by 41 year old Doug Flutie? I mean, being an NFLE world-beater and all he may have took it personally.

You. You're good you.
 
The AnswerDeep Ball: Henson don't really have the ability to stretch the defense said:
One of the reason's Bledsoe has been so successful is that he can make the deep pass over the middle[/B], it's truly a requisite in this league yet so few are capable of doing it consistently.

and one of the reasons Bledsoe gets knocked in this league because he holds onto the ball too long waiting for things to open up deep, and Tom Brady does well dinking and dunking
 
summerisfunner said:
and one of the reasons Bledsoe gets knocked in this league because he holds onto the ball too long waiting for things to open up deep, and Tom Brady does well dinking and dunking

Great point !
 
summerisfunner said:
and one of the reasons Bledsoe gets knocked in this league because he holds onto the ball too long waiting for things to open up deep, and Tom Brady does well dinking and dunking

Nice Summer. Touche' young lad. I rather enjoyed that.

Move to the front of the class please.:)
 
and frankly The Answer, I only agree with you about Henson's good, the bad and the ugly are way off, w/ the exception of Henson's deep ball, although towards the end of the season he was doing pretty well in that department, placing the ball where only his receiver could get it, just they would keep dropping them for the most part.

glad you finally agree that Mroz's chances of pushing Henson off the depth chart is a pipedream, and you mentioned twice that Henson is a backup in the NFL, I just dont' agree with that idea, his physical skills have the potential to make him so much more than that, and he's progressing in the mental part of the game, which is more important than physical skills, and the Cowboys are giving him the time to develop them even further, the Cowboys organization has high hopes for him, and Henson's NFLE experience hasn't dampened that spirit
 
oh yeah, Romo isn't #2 on the depth chart, so I don't see how he's standing in Henson's way, or the fact that Romo only has 1 year remaining on his deal while Henson has 5
 
Before I left I said that success in NFLE means nothing but failure is very meaningful. If he failed it would mean there was no way he could be an NFL QB. Henson showed that he could get it done in NFLE AND that he has some areas to improve. That strikes me as a good outcome for a guy who hadn't seen this sort of playing time in many years.

You guys can "Rohan Davey" all day but you can't look at whether guys had success in NFLE but HOW they had success there and with what. Henson played pretty well despite receivers that couldn't catch (one estimate placed it at about 20 drops of clean throws), a WR crew that couldn't stay healthy, and a weak OL.
 
abersonc said:
Before I left I said that success in NFLE means nothing but failure is very meaningful. If he failed it would mean there was no way he could be an NFL QB. Henson showed that he could get it done in NFLE AND that he has some areas to improve. That strikes me as a good outcome for a guy who hadn't seen this sort of playing time in many years.

You guys can "Rohan Davey" all day but you can't look at whether guys had success in NFLE but HOW they had success there and with what. Henson played pretty well despite receivers that couldn't catch (one estimate placed it at about 20 drops of clean throws), a WR crew that couldn't stay healthy, and a weak OL.

:hammer:
 
If you want to measure Henson's ability, think about what would happen if the Boy's released him. He would be scooped up by someone else and immediately be in competition for a starting job. Having the tools necessary to compete is essential, and it has never been said that he doesn't have these.

I enjoyed the analysis, even though I thought it overly critical. Football is the consumate team game. Statistics depend on other people doing their job. It was very obvious that his team mates were below par and that hurt him. His receivers dropped balls and his line ole' blocked.

I don't know if Henson can develope into an elite QB, but I believe he definately has more skills than either Hutchinson or Carter ever showed. I was really surprised with the way he moved in the pocket and scrambled when the pocket broke down. I did not expect to see that watching the games this spring. I knew he had the arm strength, size, etc., but the ability to scramble convinced me he would land somewhere if we cut him, and that he was a true NFL prospect.
 
The answer should go back and review the games, counting the number of dropped passes by receivers and also the number of passes that were wisely thrown away.

A QB, even in NFLE, is only as good as those around him. So the best way to judge Henson is to compare him to Chang, who played with the same players...Chang absolutely sucked when he played an entire game. To me, that showed how good Henson actually is.
 
calcbfan1 said:
The answer should go back and review the games, counting the number of dropped passes by receivers and also the number of passes that were wisely thrown away.

A QB, even in NFLE, is only as good as those around him. So the best way to judge Henson is to compare him to Chang, who played with the same players...Chang absolutely sucked when he played an entire game. To me, that showed how good Henson actually is.

:hammer:
 
This is starting to sound like those heated Clint Stoerner - Anthony Wright arguments.

Why are we fighting over our backup and 3rd string QB's?
 
kartr...comparing Simms and Henson is not exactly fair. Simms played a full career at a major college and then went directly to the NFL. Henson played sporadically in college and then left the game completely.

Big difference.

One thing about the drops....we must assume that other QB's numbers probably are affected by drops as well, so we can't just automatically add 7-8 points to Henson's completion rate because of his drops.
 
Fla Cowpoke said:
kartr...comparing Simms and Henson is not exactly fair. Simms played a full career at a major college and then went directly to the NFL. Henson played sporadically in college and then left the game completely.

Big difference.

One thing about the drops....we must assume that other QB's numbers probably are affected by drops as well, so we can't just automatically add 7-8 points to Henson's completion rate because of his drops.

Maybe it's not fair to compare Henson to Simms, but it is reality. The reason that Simms is farther along is cause he chose to stick with football and since he's played more football, he is automatically more NFL ready and so is every qb stuck with football during their whole career. Believing that Henson will ever turn out is a flight of fantasy. He might, but there's 90% likelyhood that he wont.
 
I hear all this stuff about physical skills, what physical skills? Do you even know what you are talking about or repeating the talking point from a 2002 draft profile? 53% sucks. I dont care about inferior talent, every NFLE QB in the history of the league has had to deal with bad talent, and the ones that make it do a helluva lot better than 53% passing. He did nothing in the NFLE to show he wasnt a waste of a draft pick. When people like Jonathin Quinn the medicine woman hit at a higher rate in the NFLE than Henson, it means on e thing. Henson sucks. Wake me up when he isnt on the roster.
 
JustSayNotoTO said:
Wake me up when he isnt on the roster.

OK, if you want.

But we're talking like....a 10 year coma here.

Are you sure that's what you want?:)
 
superpunk said:
OK, if you want.

But we're talking like....a 10 year coma here.

Are you sure that's what you want?:)

I only expect a hibernation of another year or two.
 
kartr said:
He might, but there's 90% likelyhood that he wont.

Just so we're clear - that is a completely made up percentage. I could make one up that says that QBs who finish second in NFLE in terms of QB rating, succeed in the NFL at a much higher level than those who finish first....
 
JustSayNotoTO said:
I hear all this stuff about physical skills, what physical skills? Do you even know what you are talking about or repeating the talking point from a 2002 draft profile? 53% sucks. I dont care about inferior talent, every NFLE QB in the history of the league has had to deal with bad talent, and the ones that make it do a helluva lot better than 53% passing. He did nothing in the NFLE to show he wasnt a waste of a draft pick. When people like Jonathin Quinn the medicine woman hit at a higher rate in the NFLE than Henson, it means on e thing. Henson sucks. Wake me up when he isnt on the roster.

Henson will go to training camp and compete if he takes the job away then maybe you and some of Henson critics will shut up and face the fact we are dealing with a player who has been in the NFL 2 years and will be starting his 3rd year after being away from the game. No one is handing Henson anything if he makes the roster it will be because he earned his way on this team.
 
JustSayNotoTO said:
I only expect a hibernation of another year or two.

Still, we're in coma territory there. Just so you know, there's a danger of blood clots in the legs, bed sores, and maybe even bed-bugs (if they're real, of course).
 

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
465,232
Messages
13,859,910
Members
23,788
Latest member
mattyice
Back
Top