Earl Thomas new ultimatum

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But there are 2-3 good years in him easily. As you said, he doesn't need to be 4.4 speed to play safety.

Rod Woodson, Charles Woodson, Ed Reed........lots of guys can play safety into their 30s.

Sure but both Woodsons were CB, better athletes to start and then converted. There are plenty of extremely good S out there that have not had 12+ year careers for all the cherry picked preferred outcomes.

He could fall off a cliff like Byrd, Harris, Griffin, Collins or any other of a number of S that made at least 2nd team all pro. LEt's keep in mind that ET hasn't been 1st team all pro in a couple of years already.

I get that he has had no severe injuries to problematic joints like the knee and shoulder but the number and severity of his injuries has ticked up too.

And the Seachickens are going to want a top 100 pick, the most valuable assets a team has for him plus he wants to be paid like he is still 1st team All Pro at over $12m AAV.

He is undoubtedly a talented player who could help the defense where it really needs help but there is a limit to what that is worth. If the cost is a 2nd AND $13m AAV then to me that is too much particularly when can wait a year and save the draft pick.

One year of ET is NOT worth a 2nd round pick.

 

[CPanther95]

When owners start honoring contracts, players should reciprocate

The teams always honor the contracts.

How often have you heard of lawsuits from a player suing a team for breech of contract?

 

[northerncowboynation]

Don't be surprised to see him report to Seahawks with a bad attitude. Then they realize it's not going to work.

I don't know about you but I would not want that guy on our team. He's a self over team guy and we have enuff of those. Wrong message to send to our young, impressionable secondary. I understand he wants more money, so did Ron Leary but Leary showed up at practices and in games and laid it on the line. It's looking more and more like ET stands for Extra Trash or Extra Trouble

 

[Ranching]

at his age, i would not like to see us give him a long term deal.

We need ET!!!!

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The teams always honor the contracts.

How often have you heard of lawsuits from a player suing a team for breech of contract?

Teams cut players all the time, even when they have a contract in place.

 

[CPanther95]

Teams cut players all the time, even when they have a contract in place.

Only if the contract allows it. If it allows it, they aren't breaking the contract.

The player didn't have to sign with those terms.

 

[Cowboys22]

They'll get a 3rd comp pick if he walks in free agency.

Only if they sit out the big names in free agency and are willing to wait until the draft in 2020.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Only if the contract allows it. If it allows it, they aren't breaking the contract.

The player didn't have to sign with those terms.

It's still cutting a player under a signed contract.

 

[Cowboys22]

Don't be surprised if SEA trades him to NYG for a 4th round pick just to stick it to ET & DAL lol

No one will trade for him without a contract extension so ET can simply refuse to negotiate with any team except Dallas if that’s really the only place he wants to go.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Honor your damn contract and quit whining.

He is following the rules of the contract.

 

[erod]

Sure but both Woodsons were CB, better athletes to start and then converted. There are plenty of extremely good S out there that have not had 12+ year careers for all the cherry picked preferred outcomes.

He could fall off a cliff like Byrd, Harris, Griffin, Collins or any other of a number of S that made at least 2nd team all pro. LEt's keep in mind that ET hasn't been 1st team all pro in a couple of years already.

I get that he has had no severe injuries to problematic joints like the knee and shoulder but the number and severity of his injuries has ticked up too.

And the Seachickens are going to want a top 100 pick, the most valuable assets a team has for him plus he wants to be paid like he is still 1st team All Pro at over $12m AAV.

He is undoubtedly a talented player who could help the defense where it really needs help but there is a limit to what that is worth. If the cost is a 2nd AND $13m AAV then to me that is too much particularly when can wait a year and save the draft pick.

One year of ET is NOT worth a 2nd round pick.

Strong safeties tend to drop off quickly. Free safeties do not.

Dallas can just slow play this. Seattle does NOT want a full season with this hanging over every press conference. Can you imagine after every game, "Sean Lee says he wants to be traded to Pittsburgh. Will you accommodate him?"

Seattle will not get equal value for Thomas' efforts because of age and contract demands. The Cowboys can just wait.

PLUS, Thomas can step in quickly if this lasts until the season starts because he knows Richard's system already.

 

[erod]

The teams always honor the contracts.

How often have you heard of lawsuits from a player suing a team for breech of contract?

Actually, teams write contracts in a way that allows them to not honor them without violating them.

That's a big difference.

 

[CPanther95]

It's still cutting a player under a signed contract.

That's a signed contract that the player knows isn't guaranteed. That doesn't come anywhere near the team "not honoring the contract".

ET's contract had the first 2 years guaranteed plus a $10 million signing bonus. The trade off was that he's on the hook for 4 years and the final 2 aren't guaranteed - he could be cut. You want to know why he didn't just sign a 2 year deal instead? Because the Seahawks wouldn't have offered those terms with only a 2 year deal. There ARE such things as 1, 2 and 3 year contracts - but ET chose to go 4 for the more favorable terms. Now he's threatening to renege on the deal. That's a d-bag move.

 

[CPanther95]

He is following the rules of the contract.

As long as he stays and plays. But if he carries out the threat to hold out indefinitely, he's not.

If it's all just a negotiating tactic - no harm, no foul.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

That's a signed contract that the player knows isn't guaranteed. That doesn't come anywhere near the team "not honoring the contract".

ET's contract had the first 2 years guaranteed plus a $10 million signing bonus. The trade off was that he's on the hook for 4 years and the final 2 aren't guaranteed - he could be cut. You want to know why he didn't just sign a 2 year deal instead? Because the Seahawks wouldn't have offered those terms with only a 2 year deal. There ARE such things as 1, 2 and 3 year contracts - but ET chose to go 4 for the more favorable terms. Now he's threatening to renege on the deal. That's a ****** move.

No, it's a crap move for the NFLPA to allow non-guaranteed contracts, and individual players have no recourse.

 

[aikemirv]

Getting tired of new threads every time Earl Thomas breaks wind.

We all know the story. If a trade and/or extension happens, it'll be thread worthy. Otherwise it's just rehashing old news.

All we ever do is rehash through the whole summer! This is no different.

 

[CPanther95]

No, it's a crap move for the NFLPA to allow non-guaranteed contracts, and individual players have no recourse.

That's a problem they're free to address with the NFLPA for the next CBA.

But the players do have recourse. They can refuse to sign any contract that isn't fully guaranteed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Strong safeties tend to drop off quickly. Free safeties do not.

That is quite the claim. I have read a statistical analysis of players age vs performance curves and have seen nothing indicating there is a significant statistical difference. Anecdotally that has not been my experience either.

Either way, whether he peaks at 27 or 29, he still going to be a declining player going forward.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

That's a problem they're free to address with the NFLPA for the next CBA.

And yet individual players have no recourse if their representation doesn't represent them. So they hold out. If contracts were fully guaranteed I'd be on your side.

 

[aikemirv]

That is quite the claim. I have read a statistical analysis of players age vs performance curves and have seen nothing indicating there is a significant statistical difference. Anecdotally that has not been my experience either.

Either way, whether he peaks at 27 or 29, he still going to be a declining player going forward.

Yeah, he is not a "business decision" guy like Deion either. He has taken and delivered some shots!