Early Prediction: Cooks Vs Cooper

[McKDaddy]

Cooper arrived in 2018, and was traded after the 2021 season. Based on Cooks history, I’ll be surprised if he’s here more than two seasons. Cooper had three 1000 yard seasons while he was in Dallas. With CeeDee as our number one I doubt Cooks will surpass what Amari did with the Cowboys.

The more mouths you have to feed ....

Regardless of the quality of player, opportunities are limited so it will largely come down to what is made of those opportunities. Excluding injuries which could shake up the dynamics of course.

 

[KJJ]

The more mouths you have to feed ....

Regardless of the quality of player, opportunities are limited so it will largely come down to what is made of those opportunities. Excluding injuries which could shake up the dynamics of course.

Cooper was our number one receiver. He was fed often until his final season. Ceedee will receive more targets than Cooks.

 

[aikemirv]

Cooper’s contract was designed specifically so they could walk away from it after 2 seasons. Lamb’s clear emergence as a #1 WR solidifies doing so as the 100% correct decision. Genius roster manipulation in the salary cap era!

Genius??? It costs us a chance at the Super Bowl - that's idiotic!

 

[exciter]

Genius??? It costs us a chance at the Super Bowl - that's idiotic!

Lol, the inability of Moore’s system (and refusal to stay in 12 personnel) to beat San Frans (bread and butter) cover 2 without a running game is what cost us the playoff game… just as it was the previous season when Cooper was still here. It’s really just that simple!

 

[Hennessy_King]

Career stats

Year Year	Team Team	REC Total receptions	YDS Receiving yards	AVG Receiving yards per reception	LNG Longest reception	TD Receiving touchdowns	YDS Rushing yards	AVG Average yards per carry
2022 2022	Browns	78 78	1,160 1,160	14.9 14.9	55 55	9 9	0 0	- -
2021 2021	Cowboys	68 68	865 865	12.7 12.7	41 41	8 8	0 0	-

Not exactly worth the 20 million $ we were paying him.....not his fault as a good horse needs a good jockey!

We never payed him $20 mil

 

[McKDaddy]

Cooper was our number one receiver. He was fed often until his final season. Ceedee will receive more targets than Cooks.

not disagreeing. just saying that there are lots of mouths to feed with TE's & RB's also getting a share. if we are successful as a team it probably means no one person puts up monster numbers.

 

[KJJ]

not disagreeing. just saying that there are lots of mouths to feed with TE's & RB's also getting a share. if we are successful as a team it probably means no one person puts up monster numbers.

When the Cowboys had their greatest teams, they had one person putting up monster yards. Michael Irvin was putting up huge numbers at WR during our championship seasons and so was Emmitt at RB. Having that one big threat at receiver, opens up opportunities for the others.

 

[Big_D]

Cooper’s contract was designed specifically so they could walk away from it after 2 seasons. Lamb’s clear emergence as a #1 WR solidifies doing so as the 100% correct decision. Genius roster manipulation in the salary cap era!

Unloading the contract was definitely the right move. It was time to move on. You knew it when he originally signed the deal that after the 21 season he would be gone.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Career stats

Year Year	Team Team	REC Total receptions	YDS Receiving yards	AVG Receiving yards per reception	LNG Longest reception	TD Receiving touchdowns	YDS Rushing yards	AVG Average yards per carry
2022 2022	Browns	78 78	1,160 1,160	14.9 14.9	55 55	9 9	0 0	- -
2021 2021	Cowboys	68 68	865 865	12.7 12.7	41 41	8 8	0 0	-

Not exactly worth the 20 million $ we were paying him.....not his fault as a good horse needs a good jockey!

Again since you like telling half truths, with the Browns he played 17 games in 2022 with the Cowboys he played 14.25 in 2021 and in 2020 in 16 full games with Dak he had 1114 yards 12.7 and his best year in his career was with Dak in 2019 but hey why tell the truth when you can use white lies to drive an agenda....or as we should call "I'll just puppydog the truth"

 

[stiletto]

#2 Cooks vs #1 Cooper is not a valid comparison. We want Cooks to have the same or better production than Lamb had when Cooper was here.

 

[eromeopolk]

Cooper’s contract was designed specifically so they could walk away from it after 2 seasons. Lamb’s clear emergence as a #1 WR solidifies doing so as the 100% correct decision. Genius roster manipulation in the salary cap era!

Not!

Lamb is on a rookie deal anyway you look at it. 2020 Amari Cooper signed a 5 year, $100,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $20,000,000. In 2023, Cooper will earn a base salary of $20,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $23,776,000 and a dead cap value of $15,104,000.

2023 NFL WR salary rankings

• Tyreek Hill, Miami Dolphins: $30 million (4 years, $120 million)
• Davante Adams, Las Vegas Raiders: $28 million (5 years, $140 million)
• Cooper Kupp, Los Angeles Rams: $26.7 million (3 years, $80.1 million)

Don't believe nothing Jerry Dumbo GM Jones tells you that the Cowboys are trying to win a Super Bowl when you let Pro Bowl players go free for nothing in return, you subtract from the roster annually more than you add, and the last 23 years prove that I am right and that Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is about being relevant and not winning championships.

The Dolphins signed and traded for Hill, drafted Waddle, and signed C Dub. Why because they wanted to win and enhance their QB targets. $30M for Hill vs. $20M for Cooper with 1 more year left on a 5 year deal in 2023. The Cowboy WR core could have been stabilized with Lamb, Cooper, Cook, and Gallup for 5 years.

 

[Big_D]

It's Lamb vs Cooper. And it's exactly why he's gone.

 

[Big_D]

Not!

Lamb is on a rookie deal anyway you look at it. 2020 Amari Cooper signed a 5 year, $100,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $20,000,000. In 2023, Cooper will earn a base salary of $20,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $23,776,000 and a dead cap value of $15,104,000.

2023 NFL WR salary rankings

• Tyreek Hill, Miami Dolphins: $30 million (4 years, $120 million)
• Davante Adams, Las Vegas Raiders: $28 million (5 years, $140 million)
• Cooper Kupp, Los Angeles Rams: $26.7 million (3 years, $80.1 million)

Don't believe nothing Jerry Dumbo GM Jones tells you that the Cowboys are trying to win a Super Bowl when you let Pro Bowl players go free for nothing in return, you subtract from the roster annually more than you add, and the last 23 years prove that I am right and that Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is about being relevant and not winning championships.

The Dolphins signed and traded for Hill, drafted Waddle, and signed C Dub. Why because they wanted to win and enhance their QB targets. $30M for Hill vs. $20M for Cooper with 1 more year left on a 5 year deal in 2023. The Cowboy WR core could have been stabilized with Lamb, Cooper, Cook, and Gallup for 5 years.

The Cooper fan club is hilarious. He's nowhere near any of those receivers.

 

[eromeopolk]

The Cooper fan club is hilarious. He's nowhere near any of those receivers.

Its not a fan club. It is about the athlete, the football player, and the production. 2018 season was lost until Jerry listen to Michael Irvin and Will McClay to trade for Cooper to give Dak a number 1 WR again after Jerry said the Cowboys never had one (Duh what is no. 88 all about!). Cooper put up bigger numbers with no Dak Prescott at QB in 2020 season that was lost. The 2020 season saw Cooper reach at least 100 receiving yards in four games. Despite having four quarterbacks start over the season due to injuries, Cooper finished the 2020 season with a career-high 92 receptions for 1,114 yards and five touchdowns in 16 games and 15 starts. The Athlete, the football player, and the production.

Cooper was a All rookie and Pro Bowler, a Cowboy Pro Bowler, and put up same 1K yards and 9TD production going through the Deshaun Watson suspension. If he was on the field vs. the 49ers, the Cowboys would have beat the 49ers. Why? Athlete, football player, and the production (scored all the receiver TDs in both playoff appearances in 2018 and 2021). Cooper scores 1 TD in the playoff game vs. the 49ers last year, Cowboys are in the NFC Championship game. As Irvin would say, Cooper is a playmaking WR.
Cooper Cowboys Post Season

2018	DAL	2	2	13	171	13.2	34	1	0	0	0.0	0	0	1	0
2021	DAL	1	1	6	64	10.7	20T	1	0	0	0.0	0	0	1	0

 

[Big_D]

Its not a fan club. It is about the athlete, the football player, and the production. 2018 season was lost until Jerry listen to Michael Irvin and Will McClay to trade for Cooper to give Dak a number 1 WR again after Jerry said the Cowboys never had one (Duh what is no. 88 all about!). Cooper put up bigger numbers with no Dak Prescott at QB in 2020 season that was lost. The 2020 season saw Cooper reach at least 100 receiving yards in four games. Despite having four quarterbacks start over the season due to injuries, Cooper finished the 2020 season with a career-high 92 receptions for 1,114 yards and five touchdowns in 16 games and 15 starts. The Athlete, the football player, and the production.

Cooper was a All rookie and Pro Bowler, a Cowboy Pro Bowler, and put up same 1K yards and 9TD production going through the Deshaun Watson suspension. If he was on the field vs. the 49ers, the Cowboys would have beat the 49ers. Why? Athlete, football player, and the production (scored all the receiver TDs in both playoff appearances in 2018 and 2021). Cooper scores 1 TD in the playoff game vs. the 49ers last year, Cowboys are in the NFC Championship game. As Irvin would say, Cooper is a playmaking WR.
Cooper Cowboys Post Season

2018	DAL	2	2	13	171	13.2	34	1	0	0	0.0	0	0	1	0
2021	DAL	1	1	6	64	10.7	20T	1	0	0	0.0	0	0	1	0

2018 was lost because Jerry's a dumazz and they were desperate as usual. But when you replace your number 1 with a better #1 which is exactly what happened last year when Lamb took over, you don't then relegate that guy to #2. He was a low end #1 at that who wasn't worth the contract and it was time to unload it.


They were able to find one team dumb enough to take the deal. Not a single team besides the Browns wanted anything to do with that contract. Tell me how he stepped up after that Seahawks playoff game 5 years ago? Complete overvalue of production that can be replaced far cheaper and spent elsewhere.

 

[exciter]

Not!

Lamb is on a rookie deal anyway you look at it. 2020 Amari Cooper signed a 5 year, $100,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $20,000,000. In 2023, Cooper will earn a base salary of $20,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $23,776,000 and a dead cap value of $15,104,000.

2023 NFL WR salary rankings

• Tyreek Hill, Miami Dolphins: $30 million (4 years, $120 million)
• Davante Adams, Las Vegas Raiders: $28 million (5 years, $140 million)
• Cooper Kupp, Los Angeles Rams: $26.7 million (3 years, $80.1 million)

Don't believe nothing Jerry Dumbo GM Jones tells you that the Cowboys are trying to win a Super Bowl when you let Pro Bowl players go free for nothing in return, you subtract from the roster annually more than you add, and the last 23 years prove that I am right and that Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is about being relevant and not winning championships.

The Dolphins signed and traded for Hill, drafted Waddle, and signed C Dub. Why because they wanted to win and enhance their QB targets. $30M for Hill vs. $20M for Cooper with 1 more year left on a 5 year deal in 2023. The Cowboy WR core could have been stabilized with Lamb, Cooper, Cook, and Gallup for 5 years.

We’re paying Cooks and Gallup about half of what it would has cost to keep Cooper for this season. Thus we’re able to discuss extending lamb and resigning Diggs, Steele etc.
100% correct decision!

 

[OmerV]

Coop vs Lamb would be my first thought because they are their teams #1, I dont think you can expect Cooks to give the numbers Coop had if Lamb is healthy.

Coop vs Lamb would be my first thought because they are their teams #1, I dont think you can expect Cooks to give the numbers Coop had if Lamb is healthy.

Right, but regardless of #1 vs. #2, Cooks is replacing Cooper in the lineup. Ultimately the question is how does Lamb/Cooks compare to Lamb/Cooper

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Cooper was the better overall player, but Cooks is the better fit. Even when Cooper was a Cowboy it always felt like you were asking more of him than he was capable/mentally available for

But then Cooper was the #1, especially with Gallup coming back it may be a tall order for Cooks to reach 1100 yards.

So the question would be is an 1100/8TD Amari Cooper season on a 10 win team as the undisputed #1 as impactful as a 700 yard/5TD season as the #2.5 on a 12 win team?

 

[khiladi]

Is it asking too much for 2 guys to have 1000 yard seasons? Hell he may have a better year than Ceedee

2019, both Gallup and Cooper gained over 1000 yards receiving and that was still a 16 game season.

The talk the next year with the addition of Lamb was 3 1000 yard WRs, but that didn’t happen and in 2021, Lamb became the 1000 yard WR and Cooper caught less than 900 yards in a 17 game season.

Ability at WR has not been the issue here.

 

[khiladi]

Lol, the inability of Moore’s system (and refusal to stay in 12 personnel) to beat San Frans (bread and butter) cover 2 without a running game is what cost us the playoff game… just as it was the previous season when Cooper was still here. It’s really just that simple!

No, the ability of Dak not being able to consistently throw against a zone and his stupid TOs is what killed this team..