Easterling 7 Rd. Mock

[Alexander]

28. Tyus Bowser, EDGE, Houston
60. Evan Engram, TE, Mississippi
92. Desmond King, CB, Iowa
133. Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA
211. Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan
228. Tanner Vallejo, LB, Boise State
246. Collin Buchanan, OT, Ball State

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/...-7-round-projections-with-compensatory-picks/

 

[Sydla]

I just feel when you get these late risers like a Bowser that teams grab in the first round, it always seems to backfire on you.

That draft isn't the worst. I could live with it. I like King and Stribling is a DB that I had my eye on in later rounds.

I wonder if we really like Bowser that much if we could slide back into the mid to late 30s and still get him and possibly pick up another 3rd or 4th rounder?

And Floaty should be happy.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I like the 3rd and 4th round picks, not much after that

 

[darthseinfeld]

I just feel when you get these late risers like a Bowser that teams grab in the first round, it always seems to backfire on you.

That draft isn't the worst. I could live with it. I like King and Stribling is a DB that I had my eye on in later rounds.

I wonder if we really like Bowser that much if we could slide back into the mid to late 30s and still get him and possibly pick up another 3rd or 4th rounder?

And Floaty should be happy.

Alot of people seem to think Bowser won't even make it to our pick

 

[Sydla]

Alot of people seem to think Bowser won't even make it to our pick

I know. And actual data likely doesn't support me but my gut tells me when you get these late rising guys that people suddenly start falling in love with, they end up being mess ups. A guy like Mahomes is another one. In the last month or so he's gone from project QB in the 2nd and 3rd round to a guy who might go to Arizona in the Top 15.

 

[Alexander]

I know. And actual data likely doesn't support me but my gut tells me when you get these late rising guys that people suddenly start falling in love with, they end up being mess ups. A guy like Mahomes is another one. In the last month or so he's gone from project QB in the 2nd and 3rd round to a guy who might go to Arizona in the Top 15.

Prospects are only "late rising" once the media figures out that teams really like them.

The concept of "rising" only means something to us on the outside. The clubs know most of these players and have been grading them an entire year.

 

[Sydla]

Prospects are only "late rising" once the media figures out that teams really like them.

The concept of "rising" only means something to us on the outside. The clubs know most of these players and have been grading them an entire year.

I don't think that's totally true. So you mean to tell me that guys don't start rising up teams draft boards based on workouts, etc? Or even based on rumors and inside info they are picking up from other teams, scouts, etc?

In other words, Mahomes has always been viewed as a first round pick by NFL teams?

 

[jday]

28. Tyus Bowser, EDGE, Houston
60. Evan Engram, TE, Mississippi
92. Desmond King, CB, Iowa
133. Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA
211. Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan
228. Tanner Vallejo, LB, Boise State
246. Collin Buchanan, OT, Ball State

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/...-7-round-projections-with-compensatory-picks/

In Scandrick and in Brown, I believe the Cowboys have two solid Nickel corners. They can play outside, but they excel working the slot. I'm not sure what Nolan Carroll is considered, but I doubt the Cowboys have him inked in to starting outside full-time. I see him as more of a reliever. With that said, I suspect the Cowboys will be looking for 2 corners capable of manning outside positions. I suspect Desmond King, in this scenario, is being drafted with the intent to move him to Safety. That would mean the only corner of note would be drafted in the fourth round. Surely they don't think Stribling would come right it in and man the outside!?!? Given that, I think this draft would spell a high draft pick in 2018.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I don't think that's totally true. So you mean to tell me that guys don't start rising up teams draft boards based on workouts, etc? Or even based on rumors and inside info they are picking up from other teams, scouts, etc?

In other words, Mahomes has always been viewed as a first round pick by NFL teams?

Workouts tend to solidify whats seen on tape

Mahomes has been veiwed as a potential first round pick by alot of people. Even here, he was alot of peoples "pet cat" before Prescott emerged

 

[phildadon86]

King doesnt last till the 3rd round

 

[baltcowboy]

I just feel when you get these late risers like a Bowser that teams grab in the first round, it always seems to backfire on you.

That draft isn't the worst. I could live with it. I like King and Stribling is a DB that I had my eye on in later rounds. Demarcuse Ware was a late riser.

I wonder if we really like Bowser that much if we could slide back into the mid to late 30s and still get him and possibly pick up another 3rd or 4th rounder?

And Floaty should be happy.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think that's totally true. So you mean to tell me that guys don't start rising up teams draft boards based on workouts, etc? Or even based on rumors and inside info they are picking up from other teams, scouts, etc?

In other words, Mahomes has always been viewed as a first round pick by NFL teams?

The whole concept of rising up a board isn't entirely real life though. All teams have different constructs and they don't have boards created at the end of the year and then revise through the process like we would see from our perspective. What we see is what we are told from the media.

 

[Derinyar]

The whole concept of rising up a board isn't entirely real life though. All teams have different constructs and they don't have boards created at the end of the year and then revise through the process like we would see from our perspective. What we see is what we are told from the media.

My guess is that teams are finalizing their boards right now after they've gotten all the data, but had an idea of where they thought people would fall since somewhere around December. The biggest things that can cause a rise or fall is the stuff we have no clue about, how the player does in the interviews/visits and the medical checks/intelligence(weed) test.

So like right now I'm guessing Reuben Foster is falling because of the incident at the combine and that his shoulder is worrisome that he might have to have another surgery on it.

 

[Tristan]

I know. And actual data likely doesn't support me but my gut tells me when you get these late rising guys that people suddenly start falling in love with, they end up being mess ups. A guy like Mahomes is another one. In the last month or so he's gone from project QB in the 2nd and 3rd round to a guy who might go to Arizona in the Top 15.

Its boom or bust with those guys it seems.
Ware was an example of a last minute riser that worked out great, Floyd and Wents both rose late and proved legit so far too.
Theres definately plenty example of busts too so we better have good scouts

 

[ConceptCoop]

Prospects are only "late rising" once the media figures out that teams really like them.

The concept of "rising" only means something to us on the outside. The clubs know most of these players and have been grading them an entire year.

Exactly. We're seeing the mock draft community adjust to what the pros think.

 

[Alexander]

Exactly. We're seeing the mock draft community adjust to what the pros think.

I can't count the number of Tweets the last few days where the "hot takes" are getting stronger.

"I'm told that Player X is way too far down my board", "My guy says this", etc.

It is about the time where the supposedly sourced up start to talk up various prospects.

It is all part of the game.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Boooooooo!!!!!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

28. Tyus Bowser, EDGE, Houston
60. Evan Engram, TE, Mississippi
92. Desmond King, CB, Iowa
133. Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA
211. Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan
228. Tanner Vallejo, LB, Boise State
246. Collin Buchanan, OT, Ball State

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/...-7-round-projections-with-compensatory-picks/

More people are having us take Bowser in the first. You were the first I seen even mention the possibility. So if it happens you will either get credit if he turns out to be a good player...or rued if he does not.

 

[Floatyworm]

I just feel when you get these late risers like a Bowser that teams grab in the first round, it always seems to backfire on you.

That draft isn't the worst. I could live with it. I like King and Stribling is a DB that I had my eye on in later rounds.

I wonder if we really like Bowser that much if we could slide back into the mid to late 30s and still get him and possibly pick up another 3rd or 4th rounder?

And Floaty should be happy.

Hate this mock...even w/ Tanner.

28. Tyus Bowser, EDGE, Houston...Screams of going back to the 3-4. Why would we do this? don't like it.
60. Evan Engram, TE, Mississippi...Why? we have the same type player in Hanna. Would be a wasted pick.
92. Desmond King, CB, Iowa...Like the player..not sure of position in the NFL.
133. Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA...over-rated
211. Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan...over-rated
228. Tanner Vallejo, LB, Boise State......was a nice college player...doesn't belong in the NFL. Tweener LBer/SS
246. Collin Buchanan, OT, Ball State...@ this pt...worth a shot. developmental OT better suited for G.

 

[gimmesix]

I know. And actual data likely doesn't support me but my gut tells me when you get these late rising guys that people suddenly start falling in love with, they end up being mess ups. A guy like Mahomes is another one. In the last month or so he's gone from project QB in the 2nd and 3rd round to a guy who might go to Arizona in the Top 15.

DeMarcus Ware was a late-rising guy as far as the media was concerned. This could simply be another case where teams have Bowser rated higher than draft gurus do. Bowser's numbers when he wasn't injured seem to suggest that he deserves first-round consideration.

I would like to see him at 28 if he's there, and T.J. Watt is Bowser is gone over going with some of the lesser straight DE prospects who don't seem to fit what Marinelli likes at the position.