Twitter: Eight years ago today, "Dez Caught It"

[BoysForLife]

Wannabe tough guy on the internet. Guaranteed you wouldn't in person. All talk little hater.

Yada yada yada. Anyone disagrees with you you start hurling insults and get instantly aggressive. It's unbecoming

 

[America's Cowboy]

Agreed but their pattern of censorship has nothing to do with football

If you were thinking logically you'd realize Romo is a Christian family man, near as I can tell

If anything that's the type of guy they would love to humiliate. Not shelter

If enough people complain, they remove content. Why else are those 2-3 negative highlights videos no longer available?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yada yada yada. Anyone disagrees with you you start hurling insults and get instantly aggressive. It's unbecoming

No, you're the one who starts getting personal and throwing insults. When people retaliate, you play the victim as usual.

 

[BoysForLife]

If enough people complain, they remove content. Why else are those 2-3 negative highlights videos no longer available?

Then prove it by getting your army to start complaining about anyone who criticizes Dak on YouTube. Anything negative about him should be gone within hours.

Your not thinking logically. You're thinking --and posting--emotionally. Take a breath and you'll see and then we can have a legit discussion

 

[BoyzBlaster]

You don't get it. I never said anti-Cowboys. I used them as social media sites who censor certain people. That's a fact.

Your theory is that Google decided to censor people who are critical of Tony Romo?

 

[BoysForLife]

No, you're the one who starts getting personal and throwing insults. When people retaliate, you play the victim as usual.

You called me a jerk. Before I called you a prick. It's all above, plain to see. If I'm guilty of anything it's reciprocating. Not playing the victim. I can take it and dish it out. You're extremely aggressive and ridiculously thin skinned. And I guarantee you almost everyone on this board would agree with me.

 

[Surfguy]

Dez got greedy and went for the TD instead of just focusing on the catch. Dez could have rolled and landed on his back on the catching motion to secure the ball but he had his mind made up that he was stretching to the end zone when it wasn't necessary and we just needed to be in position to score which we were. Smart players find a way and Dez wasn't smart as far as securing the catch on that play.

That said and as ugly as the play looked...it probably should have been ruled a catch cause it was 3 steps and a football move imo while he had possession before he lost the ball.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You called me a jerk. Before I called you a prick. It's all above, plain to see. If I'm guilty of anything it's reciprocating. Not playing the victim. I can take it and dish it out. You're extremely aggressive and ridiculously thin skinned. And I guarantee you almost everyone on this board would agree with me.

You started the personal attacks with your ridiculous "get help, you're not well" comment.

 

[MarcusRock]

Here you go. I have looked for this angle for a while. Found it.

This video shows the play from three different angles.

At the 2:00 mark you will see slow motion, with the camera facing Dez. Watch the ball move. The point of the ball toward the crook of his arm ends up pointing straight up, and then the ball flies up in the air for him to snag.

The Ball Moved because of the ground. When he lost control of the ball, which caused the ball to fly out of his hands, that negates all the arguments.

And all of this is predicated because he and the defender bumped legs, and Dez went to the ground. Intentions mean nothing. He was going to the ground and lost control of the ball.

People aren't going to want to have this discussion. Back then you were either upright or going to the ground. A yes/no determination. He was deemed going to the ground. It's clear the ball hit the ground and it's clear the ball came totally out of his possession. That rule states, a player "... must maintain possession throughout the process of contacting the ground..." Pretty clear that didn't happen.

So people try to argue the hands, turning, and steps, etc. but as Pereira said in that video I posted here twice that's been ignored every single time I post it, those rules are for a player who's upright and the going to the ground rule overrules those upright rules. That's when people get creative and say the ball didn't touch the ground or make up and define procedures in the rules that aren't there.

 

[BoysForLife]

You started the personal attacks with your ridiculous "get help, you're not well" comment.

that's an attack?

Wow. like I said. Thin skinned. that was an honest observation. you are literally convinced that YouTube is shadow banning people to protect Tony Romo.

C'mon man. Seriously.

 

[TwoDeep3]

If he bumped legs with the defender that means down by contact because he possessed the ball as soon as his arm touched the ground, and the ground can’t cause a fumble. What you want to do is override this with the notion that he was going to the ground because the ball came loose when his arm hit the ground reaching for the goal line. Just like you want to override the football move of being able to switch from two hands to one and cradle it while attempting to reach the goal line as non-existent when he’s going to the ground. But all of these interpretations violate the rule itself because Dez never lost possession while going to the ground until his arm his the ground and the ball came up into the air onto his, arm shoulder, where he repossessed it in the end zone without it touching the ground again.

You continue to ignore the fact he has to maintain control to the end of the play. That is why the contact was essential in making this not a catch. You can argue forever, but that video tells the tale. He lost control of the ball and thus is wasn't a catch.

It's okay if you don't agree. But the "catch" was not a catch. And it still isn't. The video doesn't lie.

 

[America's Cowboy]

that's an attack?

Wow. like I said. Thin skinned. that was an honest observation. you are literally convinced that YouTube is shadow banning people to protect Tony Romo.

C'mon man. Seriously.

That's not what I said. I said YouTube caters to the masses. If the masses complain, YouTube does their bidding, even though a fair thought would be to allow both positive and negative videos.

 

[GMO415]

Just a professional diagnosis, but there's a lot of "Hurt Harvesters" in here. Hahaha

 

[SultanOfSix]

You continue to ignore the fact he has to maintain control to the end of the play. That is why the contact was essential in making this not a catch. You can argue forever, but that video tells the tale. He lost control of the ball and thus is wasn't a catch.

It's okay if you don't agree. But the "catch" was not a catch. And it still isn't. The video doesn't lie.

Where is the indisputable end of the play? Dez possesses the ball in the air with two hands, and while taking a few steps falling to the ground, he shifts it to one hand, cradles it in his forearm and then lunges for the goal line with it. All of these actions prove he possesses the ball before making contact with the ground. It is only when his arm contacts the ground as does the ball, does it pop up into the air, rolls up onto his shoulder then onto his torso where it is cradled with both of his arms again never to touch the ground again until after he stands up in the end zone to give it to the official who called it a catch. If we take into account the exact wording of the rule - "If he loses control of the ball and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior [to] the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete." - at what point in this stated sequence of events is it indisputable that the process of maintaining control of the ball has ended for Dez? Dez doesn't lose control of the ball before he hits the ground. He loses control only when his arm hits the ground lunging for the goal line at a slight angle and part of the ball simultaneously hits it because a football is much wider than a forearm.

 

[TwoDeep3]

while taking a few steps falling to the ground,

This triggers the rules he has to control the ball. When you see the video, as I posted, and you see the point of the ball that was in the crook of his arm move to a point where the point of the ball was straight up, the ground caused that and the rules are specific. All the rest of your argument might be correct, if.................the ball didn't move when he hit the ground because of the contact of the defender and him falling and the ball hitting the ground.

The ball was pinioned between his hand and the crook of his arm. The ball left the crook of his arm, moved by the ground.

There is no regains control once the ball is moved by the ground.

At what point? - you ask.

When the ball flew into the air after hitting the ground this is indicative of the ball being out of his control. And that started when the ball was dislodged by the ground. and coming loose to fly above him when he rolled over.

Start at the 2:00 mark where it is in slow motion. You see the pylon and Dez hitting the ground and the ball shift.

 

[SultanOfSix]

This triggers the rules he has to control the ball. When you see the video, as I posted, and you see the point of the ball that was in the crook of his arm move to a point where the point of the ball was straight up, the ground caused that and the rules are specific. All the rest of your argument might be correct, if.................the ball didn't move when he hit the ground because of the contact of the defender and him falling and the ball hitting the ground.

The ball was pinioned between his hand and the crook of his arm. The ball left the crook of his arm, moved by the ground.

There is no regains control once the ball is moved by the ground.

At what point? - you ask.

When the ball flew into the air after hitting the ground this is indicative of the ball being out of his control. And that started when the ball was dislodged by the ground. and coming loose to fly above him when he rolled over.

Start at the 2:00 mark where it is in slow motion. You see the pylon and Dez hitting the ground and the ball shift.

There’s no indisputable evidence that the ball hitting the ground caused loss of control anymore so than if his arm hit the ground at a perfectly parallel angle to the ground and the ball didn’t touch the ground. The mere fact of him falling to the ground at a velocity and have is arm hit it could have easily dislodged the ball. He had control all the way through until his arm hit the ground. The ball still popped up into his upper arm onto his shoulder and rolled into his possession while in the end zone without it touching the ground again. That’s all you people have — the ball touching the ground which happened simultaneously to a possible loss of control, not anytime during the process of going to the ground as the rule explicitly states as a sequential process.