Elimination games -- Most skewed statistic

[Califan007]

I keep hearing that Romo isn't very good in do or die games.

For the regular season, this means that your team from the get go isn't very good.

To be in a do or die game it generally means you're trying to get to 9-7 or 10-6.

Can someone compare a legit or elite QB who has a good record in regular season finales where they are 8-7 or 9-6 and needed the final game in order to make the playoffs?

I'm not sure what quarterbacks people are thinking about.

It is a completely skewed stat, that first off requires the quarterback to be on a poor team in the first place. Second the sample rate for such games is ridiculously small.

I would argue that Romo has more of these games than most quarterbacks do because the cowboys are that average type team that Romo puts in position to get to the playoffs in the first place.

Romo has failed to make the playoffs four years. Two of which he was injured and missed significant games.

If you put it on your QB that your 8-8 or 9-7 team doesn't make the playoffs, you're being terribly short sighted. And if you have any credibility you would create a neutral standard in which to compare Romo to.

Please let me know which clutch quarterbacks have great success on average teams.

You make the assumption that almost all of Romo's "do or die" games were regular season games. They weren't. Most of Romo's do or die games were in the playoffs, not the regular season.

The whole "team has to be bad to be in a do or die game" is faulty...when the Cowboys were 13-3 and 11-5 their "do or die" record was 1-2. It's also faulty because you assume that the team's opponent isn't also in a do or die situation...which by your logic means they are just as bad lol. If the other team has a good QB and they win, then yes, there are "bad" teams with good QBs who won those "do or die" games. And if the other team's QB is NOT good, then you have a bad team without a good QB that still finds a way to win the "do or die" games.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Until few years ago, no one ever mentioned elimination stat and only time this elimination stat is brought up is whenever mediots are talking about Romo, I have not seen any other QBs' (past or present) elimination stat.

There is no running tabulation of elimination stat on any other QBs, just on Romo.

Then show me where these stats are kept for Romo only.

The fact is there are Romo fans that want to relabel situations to take the onus off of Romo's results.

There have been situations throughout this league since the Super Bowl was created where teams had a potential to win and advance or lose and go home.

This is not about Romo but the sheer mathematics of one survives and other goes to the off-season.

This happens in many sports.

Earlier in this thread people were trying to claim the pressure of this game is the same as any regular season game.

Mathematically that is correct. One of sixteen.

But if you were to poll the players before the contest between the Commanders and the Cowboys last season, you'd find their emotional feelings over the game were higher than the first meeting.

Because it was a win or go home game.

Even in high school basketball tournaments there are single and double elimination criteria.

This was not invented because of ESPN or Romo.

Personally I have never really thought of or suggested he has a bad record in games where if the team loses the season is over.

But there is truth in this game that is unequivocal.

1. Head coaches and quarterbacks are saddled with the wins and losses, fair or unfair.

2. If a team losses games over and over that are win or the season ends, the quarterback will invariably be blamed, fair or unfair.

Some people get their panties in a wad over these truths.

Not one fan here made up those unwritten rules.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Then show me where these stats are kept for Romo only.

I have a better idea. What QB is discussed concerning said stat without Romo being in the conversation.

And in other news, the ten yard marker shows the ten yard line.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I have a better idea. What QB is discussed concerning said stat without Romo being in the conversation.

And in other news, the ten yard marker shows the ten yard line.

I have been a fan of this team since 1960.

I have been a sports fan most of my life.

I have heard this elimination comments long before Romo got into the league.

I remember playing high school basketball and going to Austin for a tournament and the criteria was double elimination.

I can remember heading to the state play-offs in baseball and it was double elimination.

The term elimination game was not created to skewer Romo, no matter how much people want to claim it is.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I have been a fan of this team since 1960.

I have been a sports fan most of my life.

I have heard this elimination comments long before Romo got into the league.

I remember playing high school basketball and going to Austin for a tournament and the criteria was double elimination.

I can remember heading to the state play-offs in baseball and it was double elimination.

The term elimination game was not created to skewer Romo, no matter how much people want to claim it is.

So it should be easy to find. Get cracking.

Oh wait, but you can't. Because it was created by ESPN.

 

[TwoDeep3]

So it should be easy to find. Get cracking.

Oh wait, but you can't. Because it was created by ESPN.

You do understand that term elimination game goes back to the 60's? Right?

You're trying to rewrite history to control dialog about Romo.

I am not arguing about Romo. I am merely stating the term elimination game has been around for fifty years.

 

[03EBZ06]

Then show me where these stats are kept for Romo only.

This is rich. I said I have not seen any running tabulation of elimination stat for other QBs and you ask me to show you something that I've not seen? pretty comical.

Since you think there is an existence of said stat, why don't you show me the stat for other QBs.

 

[TwoDeep3]

This is rich. I said I have not seen any running tabulation of elimination stat for other QBs and you ask me to show you something that I've not seen? pretty comical.

Since you think there is an existence of said stat, why don't you show me the stat for other QBs.

I think the point seems to have been lost here. I do not think there is this stats of elimination games. Hence me asking to be shown the list.

I think this is Romo fans who are up in arms about a term that has been used for much longer than some of you have been alive.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I think the point seems to have been lost here. I do not think there is this stats of elimination games. Hence me asking to be shown the list.

I think this is Romo fans who are up in arms about a term that has been used for much longer than some of you have been alive.

Fair enough, but I think you have also pretty obviously lost the point about what "Romo fans" are up in arms about.

 

[Nightman]

Fair enough, but I think you have also pretty obviously lost the point about what "Romo fans" are up in arms about.

It's not a real "statistic" but his record in those games is real. Statistics are kept to compare players to other players over similar criteria. Since many QBs haven't faced non-playoff elimination games, it is not something that is easily compiled or accessible as a list, but if someone wanted to look through each teams individual games over the last ten years, a list could be compiled. Dallas has had an unusual amount of elimination games over the last decade and therefore Romo's performance in these games is easily studied. Cowboy fans are keenly aware of Romo playoff record and the team's overall playoff futility over the last 2 decades and it's an easy angle for ESPN to sell. They know Dallas is a national team and drives ratings and even if people are "hate" watching they are still watching. It has obviously gotten under your skin and that is precisely what ESPN wants from most of it's debate style programming.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Then show me where these stats are kept for Romo only.

The fact is there are Romo fans that want to relabel situations to take the onus off of Romo's results.

There have been situations throughout this league since the Super Bowl was created where teams had a potential to win and advance or lose and go home.

This is not about Romo but the sheer mathematics of one survives and other goes to the off-season.

This happens in many sports.

Earlier in this thread people were trying to claim the pressure of this game is the same as any regular season game.

Mathematically that is correct. One of sixteen.

But if you were to poll the players before the contest between the Commanders and the Cowboys last season, you'd find their emotional feelings over the game were higher than the first meeting.

Because it was a win or go home game.

Even in high school basketball tournaments there are single and double elimination criteria.

This was not invented because of ESPN or Romo.

Personally I have never really thought of or suggested he has a bad record in games where if the team loses the season is over.

But there is truth in this game that is unequivocal.

1. Head coaches and quarterbacks are saddled with the wins and losses, fair or unfair.

2. If a team losses games over and over that are win or the season ends, the quarterback will invariably be blamed, fair or unfair.

Some people get their panties in a wad over these truths.

Not one fan here made up those unwritten rules.

So people should not care about fairness? I guess we should throw out the equal protection clause and forget about notions of egalitarianism too so that other people can enumerate their version of failure for the misery of us all.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have been a fan of this team since 1960.

I have been a sports fan most of my life.

I have heard this elimination comments long before Romo got into the league.

I remember playing high school basketball and going to Austin for a tournament and the criteria was double elimination.

I can remember heading to the state play-offs in baseball and it was double elimination.

The term elimination game was not created to skewer Romo, no matter how much people want to claim it is.

You are talking about the name of a playoff format. That's why they call and have called it PLAYOFF record.

ESPN frames narratives for you to be spoonfed and you eat it up.

 

[Doomsay]

The last game or two in a 16 game season is = to a playoff game in many cases, it's just simple math. Not often as true in 48, 82, and 162 game seasons. To suggest that a week 17 do-or-die match-up isn't as important as the following wild-card week elimination game, is disingenuous.

The reason the elimination game stats are so readily applied to the Cowboys is that the current team has been awful in the measurement. It's only a numerical representation of the poor end of season performance that we have all witnessed for the better part of the last decade. If you measure other teams by the same standard, they probably more or less regress to the mean - (Giants, Pats, and Ravens are probably upper quartile exceptions).

Don't blame the measurement, scrutinize the performance.