Elliott was made for this offense

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I was born in Ohio and when I was a kid I really liked College Football. I moved to Massachusetts when I was five, but I still always liked Ohio State. I also liked Michigan oddly enough. My two favorite players in college were Charles Woodson and Eddie George. I always envisioned Woodson joining the Cowboys. I would always trade for him in Madden. I also thought after Emmitt Smith went to Arizona that we would somehow get Eddie George, and while we did, it was too late.

One player that I was the most excited about coming out of College was Steven Jackson. I thought he was an absolute beast, but given our position in the draft, we would never get him. Well, he fell to us, and the Cowboys screwed up and traded out of the pick. It to me was the worst decision since not drafting Randy Moss. I think either of those two drafts would lead us to a Super Bowl.

The Cowboys continued to squander Romo's years, year after year playing with a terrible offensive line. But finally, there was this ray of hope. We started investing in the offensive line. I called early that I wanted us to get Frederick as he was the best center in the draft and would be a good addition to Tyron Smith. I had him on my mock draft in the 3rd round. There was a run on offensive linemen and so we drafted him at the end of the first instead of in the 2nd or 3rd, where we probably wouldn't have gotten him. People were furious, but I saw what was going on. We were putting together a stud offensive line for Romo. We were extending his chances to win a Super Bowl. When we drafted Martin over Manziel I thought I couldn't be happier, until the Cowboys landed 1st round graded La'el Collins in free agency. This is after failing to get David DeCastro or Chance Warmack, or Jonathan Cooper (who I expect will turn his career around in New England).

But we needed to get a running back again. I had hoped we could get Gurley, but when we failed to do so, I was upset, but I remembered the player I really wanted to get. It wasn't Gurley as much as I liked him.

I don't watch college football anymore, but I remember the media storm around a player who was taking over college football: Ezekiel Elliott. He had just run for 230 yards and 2 touchdowns against the best defense in college football. A defense that barely ever lets a running back get 100 yards, let alone 200. I was really impressed and instantly thought of what he might look like with a star on his helmet. But what happened the week after? He runs for 246 yards and 4 touchdowns winning a national title. Back to back milestone games... 476 yards, 6 touchdowns, in two weeks... against two of the best teams in football.

The Cowboys went on to have a great 2014 season where we were actually Super Bowl contenders, and we did so on the heels of DeMarco Murray. Elliott became a distant thought until the playoff run was stolen from us. I did not think we were going to be able to sign Murray and Bryant, and Bryant was much more important than Murray. We got McFadden, who I knew was only a stop gap. After a terrible year, we found ourselves in position to get that player who I thought could transform the Cowboys. A franchise cornerstone player. We could get Elliott.

It was with amazement that I saw people even consider other players ahead of him. This kid is a clear hall of fame caliber player behind this offensive line we've built, I thought to myself. He can do for us what Randy Moss did for the Patriots and turned that offensive into something entirely unstoppable. How could that be compared to a cornerback/safety hybrid who wouldn't have nearly the impact on the defense compared to a running back who would keep them off the field? How could that be compared to a defensive end who wasn't ever a pass rush specialist? How could that be compared to a couple QBs no one ever heard of until draft talk started?

Ezekiel Elliott was the obvious choice. It was a no-brainer to me. In 2006 the Patriots had a good offense. They were 7th in the league in points scored with 24.1 points per game. Definitely a good offense. They didn't need much help there. But they still traded for Randy Moss. The next year they were 1st in the league with 36.8 points per game. 8.4 points per game more than the next best team (The Tony Romo lead, Terrell Owens fueled, Marion Barber backed, Dallas Cowboys). The Patriots were only one of three teams to beat us that year in the regular season. They were a juggernaut who beat up on a smaller juggernaut. It's because you couldn't stop their offense.

That is what Elliott brings to the table. A complete transformation of our offense to not just good, but great. It makes us an offense that is truly terrible to deal with. Joey Bosa or Jalen Ramsey or Wentz or Goff wouldn't have done that. They would just be another guy. We had DeMarcus Ware here for years, a player infinitely better than Bosa or Ramsey, and he couldn't get us over the hump.

People want to argue that the offense did fine with McFadden and expect it would do better once Romo and Bryant are paired up with him. This is a bit ridiculous. McFadden doesn't fit this offense. Why would we cheap gas in a Ferrari? Even Alfred Morris doesn't take us to the next level. The answer is and always was Ezekiel Elliott. He is our Randy Moss addition that takes us to another level of play. Short of getting Adrian Peterson, this was the best thing we could have done, and it might even be better given the difference in age.

If this team is going to win, it's going to be on the strength of the Offensive Line doing what it can do best. And that is run blocking. And you want to put the best piece possible back there. And while people might think Gurley or Fournette are better runners than Elliott, I'm not sure any back in the country is a better fit for a zone scheme blocking offensive line that gives running backs opportunities if they have the vision to take them.

Elliot isn't only better than Alfred Morris and Darren McFadden. He is better than Todd Gurley and Leonard Fournette. He is better than Eddie George. He is a cornerstone franchise player, who every fan should be excited about. We got another shot at a player like Steven Jackson and we have the tools on offense to make best use of him. We have the chance to create an Emmitt Smith like beast. Nothing we could have done this year to help Romo compares to this.
 

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I do think Zeke is going to do great but this weird fantasy that we're going to recreate 2014 just isn't going to happen. It was a perfect storm of crummy run defenses, a back in a contract year, and most importantly our complete indifference to running that contract year back into the ground. I actually think Zeke is going to catch a load of passes and because of the gas can defense we employ I expect us to fall well short of 2014's totals (which still would be a formidable attack).
 

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I do think Zeke is going to do great but this weird fantasy that we're going to recreate 2014 just isn't going to happen. It was a perfect storm of crummy run defenses, a back in a contract year, and most importantly our complete indifference to running that contract year back into the ground. I actually think Zeke is going to catch a load of passes and because of the gas can defense we employ I expect us to fall well short of 2014's totals (which still would be a formidable attack).

That's because you continue to ignore who and what Elliott is. You see him as just another good running back. You don't realize how consistently dominant he is. Again, not because he is the fastest, strongest, or flashiest running back, because he has no real weaknesses and has amazing vision.

He is in a completely different world than Murray. Crummy defenses or good defenses, it doesn't matter to this kid. He is still going to find his creases and he is still going to get his yards.
 

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I'm with you. I think even some of the less confident fans are starting to believe.

Tough to do this with such a small sample, but 48 yards on 7 carries where he never took one to the house, I think is pretty fair to extrapolate.

On 20 carries with the same average you have 137 yards rushing against one of the best defenses in the nfl. You take that up to 25 rushes...
 

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That's because you continue to ignore who and what Elliott is. You see him as just another good running back. You don't realize how consistently dominant he is. Again, not because he is the fastest, strongest, or flashiest running back, because he has no real weaknesses and has amazing vision.

He is in a completely different world than Murray. Crummy defenses or good defenses, it doesn't matter to this kid. He is still going to find his creases and he is still going to get his yards.
He's a rookie. He's not going to break Eric Dickerson's record and the Cowboys are not going to rush him enough to approach it because they actually care about his health. Of course he's going to get yards, but he's going to fall short of whatever dumb number is in your head.

2014 is over, and it ain't coming back.
 

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I started to mention Zeke a few years back after they shocked everyone by winning the National Championship. But never thought it would be possible for him to become a Cowboy, until January or so.
I was pushing QB , then Henry in the 2nd, though I really knew Zeke would be better. Then as things unfolded with Goff and Wentz moving up, I started pushing for Zeke at #4. When Philly made that trade, man i knew it had to be Zeke. And to be truthful if they took Ramsey, I would be bumming still. But if they would have got Henry, that would have been a bit better. But Elliot is what and who this team needed so much more than any other player.

Zeke made his debut at AT&T Stadium against Oregon that night, as Emmitt told Jason that night, watch this kid run, he is special. He then became an object on Jason's radar in that game.
And I think Emmitt knows a little something about RB's. Who would argue against him. LOL.
 

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He's a rookie. He's not going to break Eric Dickerson's record and the Cowboys are not going to rush him enough to approach it because they actually care about his health. Of course he's going to get yards, but he's going to fall short of whatever dumb number is in your head.

2014 is over, and it ain't coming back.

The biggest thing is, that he is not used to the rigors of a complete off season program, the grueling work of a TC with 4 PS games, which he only has what 15 plays maybe. But still going through the process of a TC. Then to ask him to be the workhorse for 16 games.
This is why they have Morris, it is why they will keep McFadden. To not wear out and down, possibly causing injury to their franchise RB.
Murray was used to the grind, Zeke is not. I think he will have some very good numbers, but he won't have the workload like Murray did either.

So agree, 2014 numbers won't be there, records won't be broken. But sure would be nice if he does. But as a team effort those 2014 number will be there. Too much depth at RB not to utilize that, and these coaches know that.
 

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Tough to do this with such a small sample, but 48 yards on 7 carries where he never took one to the house, I think is pretty fair to extrapolate.

On 20 carries with the same average you have 137 yards rushing against one of the best defenses in the nfl. You take that up to 25 rushes...
I feel he can't be in great football shape yet. Also, with more carries I think he gets at least a 20plus run at least.

Our misfortune last year could really benefit us going forward.
 

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The biggest thing is, that he is not used to the rigors of a complete off season program, the grueling work of a TC with 4 PS games, which he only has what 15 plays maybe. But still going through the process of a TC. Then to ask him to be the workhorse for 16 games.
This is why they have Morris, it is why they will keep McFadden. To not wear out and down, possibly causing injury to their franchise RB.
Murray was used to the grind, Zeke is not. I think he will have some very good numbers, but he won't have the workload like Murray did either.

So agree, 2014 numbers won't be there, records won't be broken. But sure would be nice if he does. But as a team effort those 2014 number will be there. Too much depth at RB not to utilize that, and these coaches know that.
I don't think team numbers will be there either, because Randle also had pretty ridiculous, unsustainable numbers behind him... again it was just a perfect storm. We're not playing the wretched AFC South this year. Our defense will probably not get as many turnovers as 2014, and if they are anything like last year's when it comes to turnovers we'll be throwing the ball like crazy just to stay in games.

To get 2014's numbers, we had to run Murray for an absolutely insane 392 carries and at a pretty good clip at that (4.7 yards per carry). I think the ceiling for Zeke could be something like Peterson and Sanders rookie years, where they ran a reasonable 240 and 280 times respectively on other-worldy yards per carry (well over 5) to get in the 1300-1400 yard range... MAYBE. Let's not forget he's a rookie. If he even gets over 1000 yards that would be fantastic.

Edit: When I say Randle had unsustainable numbers, I meant from a production standpoint not workload (dude rushed for almost 7 yards a carry!)
 

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Our success is going to be determined, like it always has with play-calling. In fact, the tools are more present now then ever before and anything other than winning the division and making a run for the SB with a few play-off wins is a disappointment...

Zeke should be catching passes like Bush was in Detroit with Linehan. No more vanilla garbage.
 

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If Zeke breaks Murray's numbers, then the organization is doing something wrong, unless he's somehow managing like 10 yards a carry. If you have a standout back, you don't want to run the guy into the ground, especially when you have another great back in Morris right next to him. What will be more important to me is our 3rd down conversion percentage and yards per carry.
 

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I actually like McFadden but there's no doubt he's not in the same league as Zeke. I loved the way he ran. I liked watching him talk back to the Chancellor and Sherman. Chancellor saying it would of been a bloodbath. Zeke had no problem running into him and pushing him back. He definitely ignites the offense
 

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If Zeke breaks Murray's numbers, then the organization is doing something wrong, unless he's somehow managing like 10 yards a carry. If you have a standout back, you don't want to run the guy into the ground, especially when you have another great back in Morris right next to him. What will be more important to me is our 3rd down conversion percentage and yards per carry.

What if he breaks Murray's total numbers with less carries and with less hits?
 
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