Ernie Sims

[AsthmaField]

I think Wilbur could make a very good 4-3 de . He has a very good straight burst .

Not sure how good a 43 DE Wilber would be, but I think he would be better as a 43 DE than a 43 OLB.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Yeah, but Von Miller is spit on a hot skillet quick and Wilbur is not. Wilbur may not fit a 43 at all. IDK.

I'm just talking size. Miller is incredible. Isn't he more ideal at 4-3 DE but Denver plays him at SLB anyway? I'm pretty sure he played 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB when he first entered the league. I may be wrong. Overall, Denver's 4-3 is rather unique. Dumervil plays the rushing DE and he's only 5'11", and Wolfe plays the other DE and he's built like a DT, short and stout.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I disagree I don't want a 5"8 LB covering jimmy graham or grankowksi I'd rather have carter or lee doing that job . We need another LB no doubt about it .

Sims is not 5'8". He is listed at 6' 230 lbs. Going and getting a LB who can cover Graham or Grankowski is going to be very expensive. We Don't Have Cap. That is why Sims is a very attractive option for us. He is a capable player who would fit the scheme and somebody we could likely affrord.

 

[xwalker]

I disagree I don't want a 5"8 LB covering jimmy graham or grankowksi I'd rather have carter or lee doing that job . We need another LB no doubt about it .

Ernie Sims is 5-11 and had a 41" vert at the combine.

Sean Lee is 6-2 and had a 37" vert.

Sims actually has a 1" advantage over Lee in a jump ball situation.

 

[unionjack8]

I don't follow.

in response to your "he will get better offers" quote, thought i had highlighted it, my bad

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Ernie Sims is 5-11 and had a 41" vert at the combine.

Sean Lee is 6-2 and had a 37" vert.

Sims actually has a 1" advantage over Lee in a jump ball situation.

I say keep Sims and Albright. You can never have enough LBs. We'll find a way to utilize them all. I don't know about Connor. I think he's our 5th best ILB. You can replace him with someone at the vet minimum.

 

[AsthmaField]

Wilber seems more the size of a 4-3 OLB. Von Miller is only like 6'3" 235.

Wilber does not have Miller's quickness or speed... both things that a 43 OLB needs a lot of.

Wilber is a pass rusher, not a run/hit, coverage type player. A 43 OLB needs to be fast and quick in order to protect the perimeter, get to the sideline, and cover backs and TE's. Wilber doesn't have the lateral quickness, change of direction, or speed needed for the position.

Just look at Jimmy Johnson's 43 OLB's. Dixon Edwards, Vincent Smith, Godfrey Miles... all of them were around 6-1 or 6-2 and went about 230-235. They were fast and changed direction on a dime.

Just like Charles Haley, who was an OLB in San Fran's 34, played DE for Dallas and their 43.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

If we go 4-3 we will draft LB in first 3 rounds .

 

[unionjack8]

You wouldn't get the chance to bring him to camp. He would have a contract somewhere. He's an FA and I am telling you, he's not going to be waiting on the streets to get a camp invite.

then i'd let him walk. If soebody wants to give him a 4 year deal i let him go. The max i give is a 2 year deal with a small SB, maybe some incentives in there.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

If we go 4-3 we will draft LB in first 3 rounds .

Why? We already have 2 obvious starters in Lee and Carter. We have more pressing needs. I'm sure we can find a starter between Sims, Albright and Connor. I want to draft O-line, safety and maybe 4-3 DE.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Why? We already have 2 obvious starters in Lee and Carter. We have more pressing needs. I'm sure we can find a starter between Sims, Albright and Connor. I want to draft O-line, safety and maybe 4-3 DE.

Because we would have a huge void at one OLB spot , I don't think they will resign sims . I think Albright is a solid back up or more of a 4-3 DE . Orie lemon would actually be a sleeper .

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why? We already have 2 obvious starters in Lee and Carter. We have more pressing needs. I'm sure we can find a starter between Sims, Albright and Connor. I want to draft O-line, safety and maybe 4-3 DE.

3 Tech. That's what you have to have in a 43 and we don't.

 

[unionjack8]

it'll be interesting for sure how this plays out if we go to a 4-3.

How does everyone see the DL shaking out?

 

[unionjack8]

3 Tech. That's what you have to have in a 43 and we don't.

IF healthy i think rat is a perfect 3 tech. I would still llike to get a space eater in the middle though. Kind if like the Williams tandem used to be in Minny. Kevin alongsidse Pat.
I think Hatcher projects inside as well and Lissemore.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Because we would have a huge void at one OLB spot , I don't think they will resign sims . I think Albright is a solid back up or more of a 4-3 DE . Orie lemon would actually be a sleeper .

My bad. I was thinking you were saying with our first 3 picks. Yeah, I agree. In the first 3 rounds, one of our picks should be 4-3 OLB.

 

[AsthmaField]

If we go 4-3 we will draft LB in first 3 rounds .

43 OLB's are much easier to find than 34 OLB's are and you don't spend the resources on them that you do for the pass rushing OLB's. The big money goes for the pass rushing DE's in a 43.

That's why you always saw Jimmy Johnson drafting DL in the first round but only once (Robert Jones) did he draft a LB in the first round... and Jones was a MLB.

Think Charles Haley and Tony Tolbert going after the QB with Dixon Edwards and Vincent Smith in coverage.

We already have two very good 43 LB's in Lee and Carter. All Dallas would need to do is get one more starter and they'd be set barring injuries.

Actually, in last year's draft, Bobby Wagner would be a perfect example of a move they might would make to fill the third spot. Wagner is the guy we supposedly would have taken out of Utah State had we kept our 2nd round pick. He's fast and aggressive, but isn't a pass rusher. We would use him in a 43 scheme the same way Seattle is. He would be a perfect fit with Lee and Carter.

A second is about as high as I could see us going on a LB... unless there is someone who they think is just head and shoulders above the others in round 1 (maybe Manti Te'o). But a 43 OLB just isn't as much an impact position as a DT or DE is, so that is much more likely to be the first round pick if it is on defense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

IF healthy i think rat is a perfect 3 tech. I would still llike to get a space eater in the middle though.
I think Hatcher projects inside as well and Lissemore.

Rat is gone. After the incident with Jerry, I doubt Rat is on this team after June. Besides, he's long in the tooth. Even if he somehow survived which I think unlikely, you still need somebody there long term. That position is very critical in a 43.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I think we could all agree if all healthy

Ware , Ratliff , hatcher , spencer

Could fit perfect as a really nice starting DL in a 4-3 !!! I could see huge sack numbers !

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Rat is gone. After the incident with Jerry, I doubt Rat is on this team after June. Besides, he's long in the tooth. Even if he somehow survived which I think unlikely, you still need somebody there long term. That position is very critical in a 43.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there no financial gain in cutting Rat? Like it doesn't hurt or help the cap any more than it would if we keep him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

43 OLB's are much easier to find than 34 OLB's are and you don't spend the resources on them that you do for the pass rushing OLB's. The big money goes for the pass rushing DE's in a 43.

That's why you always saw Jimmy Johnson drafting DL in the first round but only once (Robert Jones) did he draft a LB in the first round... and Jones was a MLB.

Think Charles Haley and Tony Tolbert going after the QB with Dixon Edwards and Vincent Smith in coverage.

We already have two very good 43 LB's in Lee and Carter. All Dallas would need to do is get one more starter and they'd be set barring injuries.

Actually, in last year's draft, Bobby Wagner would be a perfect example of a move they might would make to fill the third spot. Wagner is the guy we supposedly would have taken out of Utah State had we kept our 2nd round pick. He's fast and aggressive, but isn't a pass rusher. We would use him in a 43 scheme the same way Seattle is. He would be a perfect fit with Lee and Carter.

A second is about as high as I could see us going on a LB... unless there is someone who they think is just head and shoulders above the others in round 1 (maybe Manti Te'o). But a 43 OLB just isn't as much an impact position as a DT or DE is, so that is much more likely to be the first round pick if it is on defense.

In this year's draft, that guy is Chase Thomas.