ESPN-1660: Tim McMahon Interview

[cowboyjoe]

http://www.1660espn.com/includes/news_items/6/674/120710_timmcmahon.mp3

 

[cowboyjoe]

wow Hostile had better listen to the very last of this interview, with comparisions of Kitna in leadership next to Tony Romo.

 

[SDCowboy]

wow Hostile had better listen to the very last of this interview, with comparisions of Kitna in leadership next to Tony Romo.

Their opinion lost all credibility when they talked about Romo not taking hits from the media. That's all he does it take hits (especially from the source of this interview). He also said Romo shows no camaraderie with his teammates. So much EPSN fail there it's not even funny.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Their opinion lost all credibility when they talked about Romo not taking hits from the media. That's all he does it take hits (especially from the source of this interview). He also said Romo shows no camaraderie with his teammates. So much EPSN fail there it's not even funny.

Not to start this up again, but this is a guy who's in the locker room and can see what's going on. Its just one guy's opinion and he could very well be mistaken, but just so some realize its more than just "one or two idiot fans" on the board here who have some concerns.

Just to clarify as well, he didn't say Romo had no camaraderie with his teammates, just that Romo is very "cliquish". He has a good relationship with a small group of players, however Kitna has a great camaraderie with pretty much all his teammates. He said he doesn't think there's "any question" that Kitna has a better relationship with the team than Romo.

He also said that people will say Aikman wasn't that type of friendly guy with all his teammates, but Aikman was "a butt kicker".

Romo is neither a guy who will be a "butt kicker" or a guy who has great camaraderie with his teammates either. That's what Tim says the problem with, that he is neither of those personality types.

He also said its hard to ask a guy to be something he's not, but as reserved as Tony is, and as withdrawn from his teammates as he is.. he doesn't seem like he can be a great leader.

This is coming from a guy who follows the team closely and is inside the locker room. Not saying he's right or wrong, but there are others who see what some of us "morons" on the board here see.

 

[SDCowboy]

Not to start this up again, but this is a guy who's in the locker room and can see what's going on. Its just one guy's opinion and he could very well be mistaken, but just so some realize its more than just "one or two idiot fans" on the board here who have some concerns.

Just to clarify as well, he didn't say Romo had no camaraderie with his teammates, just that Romo is very "cliquish". He has a good relationship with a small group of players, however Kitna has a great camaraderie with pretty much all his teammates. He said he doesn't think there's "any question" that Kitna has a better relationship with the team than Romo.

He also said that people will say Aikman wasn't that type of friendly guy with all his teammates, but Aikman was "a butt kicker".

Romo is neither a guy who will be a "butt kicker" or a guy who has great camaraderie with his teammates either. That's what Tim says the problem with, that he is neither of those personality types.

He also said its hard to ask a guy to be something he's not, but as reserved as Tony is, and as withdrawn from his teammates as he is.. he doesn't seem like he can be a great leader.

This is coming from a guy who follows the team closely and is inside the locker room. Not saying he's right or wrong, but there are others who see what some of us "morons" on the board here see.

So Romo's faulted for being everybody's buddy but then he's faulted by some for not being their friend "enough"...If someone thinks he could be a better leader that's fine the guy just can't seem to win.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

So Romo's faulted for being everybody's buddy but then he's faulted by some for not being their friend "enough"...If someone thinks he could be a better leader that's fine the guy just can't seem to win.

I think what Tim was trying to say was that he's not everyone's buddy in the locker room. That's part of the problem, the lack of camaraderie with his teammates like Kitna has.

That second sentance is more true than anything else unfortunately.

 

[SDCowboy]

I think what Tim was trying to say was that he's not everyone's buddy in the locker room. That's part of the problem, the lack of camaraderie with his teammates like Kitna has.

That second sentance is more true than anything else unfortunately.

That's what I'm saying. People complain that he's too buddy-with his teammates and needs to break away from that and then Tim complains that Romo isn't buddy with enough players. It's just like some people say Romo isn't serious enough and then when he is shown being "serious" he's suddenly moping. The guy literally win. Some see him too much one way and bash him and others don't see him that way enough and bash him for that. It's like coo-coo land when it comes to this team.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

That's what I'm saying. People complain that he's too buddy-with his teammates and needs to break away from that and then Tim complains that Romo isn't buddy with enough players. It's just like some people say Romo isn't serious enough and then when he is shown being "serious" he's suddenly moping. The guy literally can't win. Some see him too much one way and bash him and others don't see him that way enough and bash him for that. It's like coo-coo land when it comes with this team.

Oh i see what you're saying.

I don't remember many here saying that Romo is "too buddy buddy" with his teammates. I happen to agree with Tim, and alot of what he said in that interview are the same concerns that alot of us, and alot of my buddies around here have echoed.

People talk about having different personalities as a leader and that's not a problem, but when you're a very reserved guy by nature, and you also are very withdrawn from alot of your teammates, those two things don't add up to make someone a very strong leadership figure with their peers generally.

Again, its just discussion and opinions though. Romo is still a very good QB and i still have no doubt we get back to the postseason again next year. From there its just run with him and see what happens.

 

[dboy214]

he is not saying anything earth shattering to anyone with two eyes and isn't blinded by homerism.

kitna is a superior leader to romo. he gets along with the players, all of them, off the field.

watch the videos on DC.com, watch the videos tashard choice used to make on youtube, and martellus bennet's videos. kitna is always around the guys while romo is always stand offish in the videos.

i dont think that is a big deal for romo, but i think it's affecting relationships within the locker room.

when kitna scored on that scrambler a couple games ago, the whole team was out there bumping chest with him. if u notice romo only gets love from certain players when he makes a big play. also, when romo got hurt, remember only one player went to go check on him, Dez.

it's sad, but you romo lovers need to get it through your thick skull, not even his own teammates are sold on Romo.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This is coming from a guy who follows the team closely and is inside the locker room. Not saying he's right or wrong, but there are others who see what some of us "morons" on the board here see.

You're giving MacMahon way too much credit. These guys aren't unbiased observers, or at least MacMahon isn't -- he's just as biased as posters here who dig in a position and refuse to change it no matter what.

I suspect the reason MacMahon says this about Romo is the same reason he hates Barber -- because he doesn't talk to the press "enough". It's just like when JJT tried to talk his readers into agreeing that Romo should be bashed for not speaking on the Wade fire/Jason hire.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You're giving MacMahon way too much credit. These guys aren't unbiased observers, or at least MacMahon isn't -- he's just as biased as posters here who dig in a position and refuse to change it no matter what.

I suspect the reason MacMahon says this about Romo is the same reason he hates Barber -- because he doesn't talk to the press "enough". It's just like when JJT tried to talk his readers into agreeing that Romo should be bashed for not speaking on the Wade fire/Jason hire.

Im not giving Tim credit for much. Just saying he's a guy who's in the locker room and can see things for what they are. Im not saying he's right or wrong or completely objective in everything he says. Certainly i believe there's at least some truth to the things he's speaking on here though.

You have suspicions that he is the type of reporter who would lie because Romo doesn't grant enough interviews or things like that, and while that may be true i think most who will be quick to write off his opinion as nothing more than pure BS would try and say the same thing.

Its tough for any of us to know.. but as i said, i still have no doubt we will be back to the postseason next year with Tony back. From there, we just have to see where it goes.

 

[Idgit]

*****. Not this again. Now Romo's not a leader because Tim McMahon says he doesn't play cards and lead bible study in the locker room. Got it. Don't care what he thinks on the issue.

And McMahon is *not* a guy in the locker room. He's an ESPN employee who happens to contradict what the coaches and teammates say on this topic. There's a reason why the backup QB has time to play dominoes when the starter does not. And the 'cliquish' accusations surfaced back in 2008 when there was the issue with TO. Funny how they crop back up with Romo injured and Kitna playing well. It's almost like someone who works for ESPN has a reason to create drama to cover when it comes to the Cowboys.

I have no doubt that Kitna's more outgoing than Tony is. That stuff doesn't matter when it comes to playing on Sundays. Tony's well-liked and a very, very good QB. He's got his team's support, and his coaches support, and the organization's support. That's the only thing that matters at the end of the day.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

*****. Not this again. Now Romo's not a leader because Tim McMahon says he doesn't play cards and lead bible study in the locker room. Got it. Don't care what he thinks on the issue.

And McMahon is *not* a guy in the locker room. He's an ESPN employee who happens to contradict what the coaches and teammates say on this topic. There's a reason why the backup QB has time to play dominoes when the starter does not. And the 'cliquish' accusations surfaced back in 2008 when there was the issue with TO. Funny how they crop back up with Romo injured and Kitna playing well. It's almost like someone who works for ESPN has a reason to create drama to cover when it comes to the Cowboys.

I have no doubt that Kitna's more outgoing than Tony is. That stuff doesn't matter when it comes to playing on Sundays. Tony's well-liked and a very, very good QB. He's got his team's support, and his coaches support, and the organization's support. That's the only thing that matters at the end of the day.

Tim spent 6 years at the DMN before joining ESPN. The guy has been around the locker room and around these players plenty.

I acknowledged that there are guys who speak to the leadership of Tony, yet somehow i figured anyone speaking against his leadership ability would not be acknowledged by the other side. Makes sense..

Tony is liked by some, i certainly wouldn't say by most though. He is a very good QB as well. We agree there.

You say that stuff doesn't matter when it comes to playing on Sundays, but i think the camaraderie, the bond, you share with your peers matters alot when game time rolls around.

 

[Idgit]

Tim spent 6 years at the DMN before joining ESPN. The guy has been around the locker room and around these players plenty.

I acknowledged that there are guys who speak to the leadership of Tony, yet somehow i figured anyone speaking against his leadership ability would not be acknowledged by the other side. Makes sense..

Tony is liked by some, i certainly wouldn't say by most though. He is a very good QB as well. We agree there.

You say that stuff doesn't matter when it comes to playing on Sundays, but i think the camaraderie, the bond, you share with your peers matters alot when game time rolls around.

You can't equate Tim MacMahon's opinions with the opinions of the staff and players. It's not the same thing. And media access to a locker room is not the same access that players and coaches have. He's not in team meetings, he doesn't report with his opinions impressions from any players on the subject. He's got a vested interest in there being something to write about on the topic. I can acknowledge his opinions just fine, but that doesn't mean his opinion carries any weight. FWIW, I think his take on Choice/Barber is lousy, too.

IIRC, this same topic came up in the Gurode interview, where Andre patiently explained all of the demands on a healthy Tony Romo's time and then went back to saying Tony's every bit as much the leader that John Kitna is.

In any event, camaraderie and bonding might be nice, but when you win as many games as Tony Romo does, and play as well doing it, it's pretty clear that it's not the domino playing that matters on the field on Sunday. If it were, then somebody, anywhere, in any way related to the organization would be saying that Tony maybe shouldn't get his job back. Nobody is, because everybody who knows better knows Tony's got the best chance of leading this team where it needs to go.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You can't equate Tim MacMahon's opinions with the opinions of the staff and players. It's not the same thing. And media access to a locker room is not the same access that players and coaches have. He's not in team meetings, he doesn't report with his opinions impressions from any players on the subject.

In any event, camaraderie and bonding might be nice, but when you win as many games as Tony Romo does, and play as well doing it, it's pretty clear that it's not the domino playing that matters on the field on Sunday. If it were, then somebody, anywhere, in any way related to the organization would be saying that Tony maybe shouldn't get his job back. Nobody is, because everybody who knows better knows Tony's got the best chance of leading this team where it needs to go.

Im not trying to weigh the opinions of Tim with any other opinions. Certainly i don't think something a media member says means as much as what the players themselves think. I don't agree that what the players say is what the players think all the time either though.

That being said, when he answers a question on this topic, i do believe he is basing his opinion off of what he sees from the players while he is around them. What else would you have to go off of? Of course, as you said, the dallas writers arn't around the team as much as the team is around the team.. but that's a pretty obvious thing to say.

Im not saying "well Tim said he sees this from the team so that's the only thing that matters". Im just saying there are those that see Tony as a leader, and there are those that don't think its inside of him. I understand you feel that the players comments to the media matter more than what a media member who's around the team says on the subject. I don't quite agree though.

No one thinks Tony shouldn't get his job back because he has more talent in his broken collerbone than Kitna has ever had in his entire body. Tony is a talent, he's a great player.. he gives us the best chance to win on gameday. That being said, i think going back to when you played sports, and even when you watch great teams play, that the best teams seem to be the ones that have the most fun playing with each other, so i think camaraderie amongst ALL the guys, and having that bond as a QB with all your teammates is something that can't be measured, but means alot to great teams.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the subject, but as i said, i have no doubt we'll be back to the postseason next year with Tony.. and from there we'll see what happens. I hope im wrong about him.. or that as he matures as a player and a man he finds that little extra inside him that this team needs to get over the hump in the postseason. I really hope Tony proves me wrong. I'd be the happiest "idiot" on this board.

 

[CowboyMike]

I doubt Kitna is very buddy buddy with #56, because he doesn't really know what he's doing. Nor Terrence Newman, because he's no Marcus Trufant.

 

[burmafrd]

Roy you really want Tim to be right, so that says a lot about you. There have been other so called sources from the locker room that have said very different things- but you WANT tim to be right.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

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[lcharles]

If Kitna wins out, trade Romo. :laugh1:

 

[cowboyjoe]

Not to start this up again, but this is a guy who's in the locker room and can see what's going on. Its just one guy's opinion and he could very well be mistaken, but just so some realize its more than just "one or two idiot fans" on the board here who have some concerns.

Just to clarify as well, he didn't say Romo had no camaraderie with his teammates, just that Romo is very "cliquish". He has a good relationship with a small group of players, however Kitna has a great camaraderie with pretty much all his teammates. He said he doesn't think there's "any question" that Kitna has a better relationship with the team than Romo.

He also said that people will say Aikman wasn't that type of friendly guy with all his teammates, but Aikman was "a butt kicker".

Romo is neither a guy who will be a "butt kicker" or a guy who has great camaraderie with his teammates either. That's what Tim says the problem with, that he is neither of those personality types.

He also said its hard to ask a guy to be something he's not, but as reserved as Tony is, and as withdrawn from his teammates as he is.. he doesn't seem like he can be a great leader.

This is coming from a guy who follows the team closely and is inside the locker room. Not saying he's right or wrong, but there are others who see what some of us "morons" on the board here see.

exactly, but he said also, that romo should be taking note, see how whole team responds to Kitna in bible study, dominoes, cards etc, and make connections with all of the players,