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What impact has each made?

Nelson Agholor and Jordan Matthews whose natural position is the slot. Figuring out who to deploy, and where, has been a bit of a jigsaw puzzle. Some of Tate's involvement felt forced early on, while other receivers’ production -- most notably Alshon Jeffery's -- dropped off. Concern in Philadelphia was growing that this trade was a bust, but Tate broke out against the Commanders on Monday night, finishing with 85 yards, a touchdown and a two-point conversion in a 28-13 victory. The chemistry between him and Carson Wentz has clearly improved -- they improvised for a key 19-yard gain that required both to be on the same page against Washington -- and the offense has looked better the past two weeks than it had for most of the season. Tate is finally starting to have the desired impact.

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Todd Archer: Cooper’s impact can’t be overstated. He has changed the Cowboys’ passing game because he has given Dak Prescott an option on the outside. In each of the five games with Cooper, Prescott has thrown for at least 208 yards. He did that just three times in the first seven games without Cooper. Projecting Cooper’s numbers over a 16-game season, he is on pace for 96 receptions, 1,357 yards and 10 touchdowns. That’s the work of a No. 1 receiver. Cooper’s presence has helped Ezekiel Elliott as well. While opposing defenses still focus on stopping the Cowboys’ running back, they at least have to pay attention to the outside with Cooper because he has shown the ability to win on his route running and his running after catch (see the 40- and 90-yard touchdowns against Washington). Of the 40 times he has been targeted by Prescott, he has 30 catches. Eight of his 10 third-down catches have gone for first downs. The production is there. So are the results. The Cowboys are 4-1 since the Cooper trade. That Jerry Jones and the front office were willing to give up such a valuable asset was a sign to the players that they were not giving up on the 2018 season when a lot of people thought it was over.

What does the future hold?

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McManus: That’s still very much up in the air. The Eagles gave up a third-round pick for Tate even though his contract is up at the end of the season. While they are likely to recoup a solid compensatory pick if Tate walks in free agency, this was a rental that needs to pay some significant dividends over the final quarter of the season for this to be considered a good deal. He was brought in to put a jolt into the offense and assist in a playoff push. Anything less will be considered a disappointment. Whether he stays with the Eagles beyond this season will depend in part on what the market for his services looks like. It’s hard to picture the 30-year-old Tate being signed to a lucrative contract in Philadelphia, but if the price tag is relatively modest, there should be interest. Agholor’s fate with the team seems to hang in the balance. The Eagles have picked up Agholor’s fifth-year option, so he’s under contract next season, but it seems unlikely they’d keep both players beyond this season.


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Archer: The Cowboys were willing to give up the first-rounder only because Cooper is 24. He doesn’t turn 25 until June. The Cowboys did not have an interest in trading for a receiver like Tate, while productive, because he turns 31 in August. The Cowboys wanted a young receiver to add to a core of young talent they believe they have throughout the roster. As the No. 4 overall pick in the 2015 draft by the Raiders, the Cowboys hold the fifth-year option on Cooper for 2019 at close to $14 million, but the hope is to work out a long-term extension at some point in the offseason. The Cowboys worked similarly with Pro Bowl right guard Zack Martin last offseason, locking him up through 2025. The last time the Cowboys paid their top receiver came in 2015, when Dez Bryant signed a five-year, $70 million deal minutes before Bryant was set to play that season on the franchise tag. The Cowboys will have other decisions to make on players, like DeMarcus Lawrence, Byron Jones, Elliott and Prescott, but they have made it known that Cooper is a priority to keep as well.
 
The guy you trade a first rounder for should be better than the guy you get for a third rounder.

Similar to the QB you trade up to draft 2nd overall should be better than the guy taken at the end of the 4th round.

If either of those things is not true, then someone screwed up.
 
Like a lot of people I was incredibly angry when I first heard about the Cooper trade. It took me a couple of days thinking about it to really think it could become a great trade and so far it's been worth it.
 
Tate can make some plays but is a showboat and cannot stay healthy. Philly won't sign him because he will most likely be hurt before the season ends.

Cooper.......The FO done good on this one.
 
Tate can make some plays but is a showboat and cannot stay healthy. Philly won't sign him because he will most likely be hurt before the season ends.

Cooper.......The FO done good on this one.

I completely agree that I would rather have Cooper (and its not even close in my mind), but Tate has missed 1 game in 8 years, and that was in 2012. Not exactly sure where that is coming from. That said, I can't stand him and you are correct he is a showboat.
 
The guy you trade a first rounder for should be better than the guy you get for a third rounder.

Similar to the QB you trade up to draft 2nd overall should be better than the guy taken at the end of the 4th round.

If either of those things is not true, then someone screwed up.
The fact that one is a FA next year and the other one isn't plays a big part. Not to mention the five years in age difference.
 
I completely agree that I would rather have Cooper (and its not even close in my mind), but Tate has missed 1 game in 8 years, and that was in 2012. Not exactly sure where that is coming from. That said, I can't stand him and you are correct he is a showboat.
Maybe I thought he had been injured because he has not made a big splash lately. Should have researched it better before opening my mouth. (wife told me the same thing once...........once) :)

We have certainly gotten a huge amount of production from Cooper. He just goes about his business.
 
We didn't have Cooper when we beat them in their house. What is the latest on the Eagles secondary, still decimated?
 
Maybe I thought he had been injured because he has not made a big splash lately. Should have researched it better before opening my mouth. (wife told me the same thing once...........once) :)

We have certainly gotten a huge amount of production from Cooper. He just goes about his business.

He absolutely does. We got the better end of those trades.
 
I'm now ok with this trade ... since it's starting to look like a late 1st round draft pick. :)
 
I completely agree that I would rather have Cooper (and its not even close in my mind), but Tate has missed 1 game in 8 years, and that was in 2012. Not exactly sure where that is coming from. That said, I can't stand him and you are correct he is a showboat.
Look at you with the obscure Golden Taint knowledge. Impressive.

Taint is a slot receiver and any perceived production philly is getting out of him is just taking away from Agholar.
Philly seems to be playing Madden a little too much at time. Dallas Goedert and the Golden Taint were luxuries while they have guys from Arena Football starting at CB.
 
Look at you with the obscure Golden Taint knowledge. Impressive.

Taint is a slot receiver and any perceived production philly is getting out of him is just taking away from Agholar.
Philly seems to be playing Madden a little too much at time. Dallas Goedert and the Golden Taint were luxuries while they have guys from Arena Football starting at CB.

Taint :laugh:Fits him well.
 
This one's pretty simple. It's not about the player, it's about the degree of upgrade.

The Eagles went from
Ertz-Jeffery-Agholor-Matthews to
Ertz-Jeffery-Tate-Agholor (basically)

That's pretty good. Probably a nice little upgrade once they get everyone sorted. And that's a good receiving corps.

The Cowboys went from
Gallup-Beasley-Swaim-Hurns/Thompson (I'm cringing as I write this) to
Cooper-Gallup-Beasley-Jarwin/Schultz

Even with Swaim's injury, that's an absurdly huge upgrade in personnel. I'd still rather have the Eagles group, but we've gone from laughable to competent in the receiving corps.

Tate to the Cowboys probably wouldn't have produced quite as big an upgrade, but Tate (like Cooper) would have helped the Cowboys a lot more than he's likely to help the Eagles, simply because the step down from him to the next guy is an El Capitan-sized cliff.
 
The guy you trade a first rounder for should be better than the guy you get for a third rounder.

Similar to the QB you trade up to draft 2nd overall should be better than the guy taken at the end of the 4th round.

If either of those things is not true, then someone screwed up.
Well If Tate was Coopers age he would’ve demanded a better pick. We were told Tate was better than Cooper.
 
Jerry hosed Oakland...they'll get some late 20ish pick and draft some lb from Rutgers that will amount to nothing.
 
The guy you trade a first rounder for should be better than the guy you get for a third rounder.

Similar to the QB you trade up to draft 2nd overall should be better than the guy taken at the end of the 4th round.

If either of those things is not true, then someone screwed up.
This is mostly true, though teams miss all the time. Aside from that, you have to consider the team's willingness to go for it. The team might have gone for a third round type of trade and as you say, they would likely have ended up with a third round impact. And that probably would have made little difference. So it's a big so what.

But that's not what the team did. They swung for the fences and it looks like they hit a home run. They deserve credit for it because lord knows they would have been killed if it did not work out. Indeed, they WERE killed by many, if not most fans, when the trade was made.

For the record, I was cautiously optimistic when the trade was made and so far it has exceeded expectations.
 

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