ESPN: Jones doesnt rule out ellis return

[Jon88]

I don't understand why we want to bring someone back who we cut last year. What exactly has changed regarding he and us? He's the same player except a year older.

Why not bring back TO? It's the same thinking.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Every time you post I become more and more thankful that the Cowboys have no one like you calling the shots or making the decisions.

We'd have the new Washington Commanders of offseason Championships with someone like you calling the shots.

I'd have this team be perenial superbowl champs if I was runnin the show.

 

[Four]

I don't understand why we want to bring someone back who we cut last year. What exactly has changed regarding he and us? He's the same player except a year older.

Why not bring back TO? It's the same thinking.

no

nothing about TO and Ellis is similar other than both played for the team.

That comparison is fail.

 

[Jon88]

no

nothing about TO and Ellis is similar other than both played for the team.

That comparison is fail.

It's the same rationale - bringing a player back because we think he'll be different.

 

[Hoofbite]

and it makes sense.

Bringing back Ellis is an insurance policy. Something happens to Ware, Spencer moves into his side, Ellis takes over against the run ( experience ) with Butler and Williams ( if he shows he can play ) taking over on passing downs. If Spencer goes down, Ellis goes back to his old position, again, with Butler and Williams helping him.

This would eliminate OLB as a position to address early, if at all, in the draft.

The conditions would be this: the majority of reps in practice go to Butler and Williams. The majority of reps during pre-season go to Butler and Williams. During the season, if there's no injuries, Ellis would come in sub either Ware or Spencer in order to rest them, on passing downs, particularly in the 4th quarter. However, he must share the reps during the begining of the game with Butler and Williams.

In other words, Ellis: you're going to be useful depth wise in case of an injury, and experience wise, late in games. I don't want to hear any complaints from you about PT during the season and/or early in games.

The guy is a cry baby. It makes no sense to bring him back.

The team moved on, it's time to stay moved on. He wanted out so bad and now he's wishing otherwise.

Sorry Greggors. You pissed and moaned your way out of Dallas. Have fun playing for the bottom of the barrel teams, pal.

 

[RS12]

I'm ruling it out.

 

[hutch1254]

Would hate this move...He had the attitude that I was glad we got rid of....

Totally. Don't need it.

 

[Four]

It's the same rationale - bringing a player back because we think he'll be different.

no, Ellis all but asked for his release.

He was drafted by us, had a career year one year before he was released.

He was not a locker room problem, even though fans keep trying to say it so much people will forget he was a team first guy.

There is nothing comparable.

He would be coming into a defined role instead of a redefined one, which is what being demoted is.

To you they are the same situation because you don't like either player and it blinds you to reality.

There is nothing about greg ellis that was ever like anything TO pulled here.

TO was a merc. Hired gun with no loyalties.

Why do you guys take a crap on greg so willingly? like he never did a thing, like he was TO? get out of here with that BS.

 

[Jon88]

no, Ellis all but asked for his release.

He was drafted by us, had a career year one year before he was released.

He was not a locker room problem, even though fans keep trying to say it so much people will forget he was a team first guy.

There is nothing comparable.

He would be coming into a defined role instead of a redefined one, which is what being demoted is.

To you they are the same situation because you don't like either player and it blinds you to reality.

There is nothing about greg ellis that was ever like anything TO pulled here.

TO was a merc. Hired gun with no loyalties.

Why do you guys take a crap on greg so willingly? like he never did a thing, like he was TO? get out of here with that BS.

Ellis was constantly whining about job here. You'll never be able to convince me that never was a distraction.

 

[gimmesix]

Why do you guys take a crap on greg so willingly? like he never did a thing, like he was TO? get out of here with that BS.

I was not happy with Ellis' attitude the past few years. He whined to the media about everything he felt was an injustice (his contract, his playing time, his position) and used that forum to ask Dallas for a chance to go somewhere else for all those reasons.

Dallas did what was best for Ellis and the team by releasing him last season and letting him absorb the realities of the situation -- the Cowboys weren't treating him any different than any other team would.

Because he learned that lesson, wants to come back and showed he still can contribute, I would not mind at all having him come back as a fall-back option ... because I think he has been humbled. If the young guys step up, he would be humbled even more by being cut at the end of camp to make way for the future.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

i dont think his presence was and will be a problem.

the only problem i have with him returning is it will be a progress stopper.

brandon williams is a guy i like but he is coming off a acl injury, but butler is another young player i would to see get some playing time. he played well when given the chance

 

[batman36]

Yes, I'd like to see him return. As a number of posters alluded to here, he saw the other side, and it wasn't pretty. Call it being humbled, call it missing the Star on his helment, heck, call it being thankful that when the team owner comes around, he won't be wearing an Eviel Knievel jump suit special, replete with the Darth Vader eyewear. I think he has something left to offer, and he'll be happy for the opportunity. And I think he signs next week.

 

[InmanRoshi]

If Ellis comes back Butler and Williams sophomore years are flushed down the toilet.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'd have this team be perenial superbowl champs if I was runnin the show.

LOL. Yeah just like Danny Boy Snyder has with all his "Spend! Spend! We've got to get the big name free agents! SPEND DAMN IT! SPEND!"

 

[SLATEmosphere]

LOL. Yeah just like Danny Boy Snyder has with all his "Spend! Spend! We've got to get the big name free agents! SPEND DAMN IT! SPEND!"

I spend smartly

No Brandon Lloyds,Haynesworths or Jason Taylors here.

I can assure you that.

We'd be ballin with Gaither and Atogwe right now.

 

[jswalker1981]

I understand what you're saying, DC, and I agree with most of it. I'm just going to play devil's advocate in favor of Ellis returning.

I'm pretty sure Greg Ellis is an upgrade over Steve Octavien, pass rushing wise for depth. The only difference is that Octavien plays special teams, but no pun intended, isn't anything that special.

Secondly, we all have high hopes for Brandon Williams and what he can bring to the table, but the fact is that he's coming back from an ACL tear. There's no guarantee he'll feel comfortable right away, so it may take a little time for him.

Thirdly, Ellis knows the system and knows his ROLE. We let the market come to him, and he found the Oakland Raiders.

Lastly, no one has ever questioned Ellis' leadership abilities. All of his problems were between him and the office.

It's a safe and wise signing, assuming he's healthy of course. Thoughts?

I agree. I think we would re-sign him if there was an injury. I definitely don't think we are in the top 10 of teams "lining up" to sign him.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Again I say, NO THANKS!

 

[Sarge]

That train has passed. He has a big mouth and I got REALLY sick of his crap towards then end. No thanks.

 

[Cowboys22]

I'd love to have him if any of the four OLB go down with injury but I have two problems with just bringing him back now.

1. All this talk about him coming off the bench to be a 3rd down pass rusher. Someone explain to me when and why you would want to take Ware or Spencer out in those situations and don't give me any crap about spelling them for a few plays. Ellis will not be happy with only 5-10 snaps a game and that all I'd be willing to see Ware and Spencer out of there.

2. As mentioned, Ellis would be a huge progress stopper to Butler and Williams. Neither would ever see the field this year and both could be inactive much of the time. If those two don't take major steps forward this year then they will be total busts and last years draft will only produced a kickoff specialists. Butler and Williams need every chance they can get to improve this year. They certainly don't need the team showing little confidence in them by bringing Ellis back.


That being said, if they bring him back as insurance with the intent to cut him if Butler and Williams step up and look ready to play, then I'm fine with that but we won't know if thats their intention.

 

[Alexander]

A return of a distracting whiner like Greg Ellis would basically demonstrate that Jerry Jones learned absolutely nothing from last season.

The Cowboys were a stronger team last year with the leadership that stepped forward more than they have been since before they last won a playoff game.

I know there are plenty of very unintelligent people who have been deluded by the crafted "team-first" Greg Ellis persona, but nothing is further from the truth. He too was an individual, about himself, his playing time, his money and his contract.

Nothing good would be accomplished by adding him back in the mix. I would as soon add Owens back. It is the same. Nobody is better between the lines, with practices and as a role model on how to work than Owens. If that's what someone thinks they are getting with Ellis, do it for Owens then. Both whine about their playing time and their money. Owens is just louder.