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“Barton is viewed primarily as a center, but many scouts who I talked to mentioned the Titans' Peter Skoronski as a comparison.”

Sounds like Barton can play OT or C??
 

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Maybe he thinks we are dead set on moving Tyler to tackle, so we've got to be drafted a guard. Guess he did not see the awesomeness that is TJ Bass.
TJ Bass is going to be a really good, solid OG for us.
 

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“Barton is viewed primarily as a center, but many scouts who I talked to mentioned the Titans' Peter Skoronski as a comparison.”

Sounds like Barton can play OT or C??
IMO,

Elite guard. Great Center. Good OT
 

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I actually don’t mind the idea of Estime if he could be had in the 5th round (I think he probably be taken somewhere between rounds 3-5). I would want to pair him up with someone that had some wheels though.
Not having a 4th rounder could bite us with TBs IMO. A few of these guys like Estime could go in that range.

Probably won't matter as I suspect Jerry/Stephen are going to use their 2nd round pick on a TB.
 

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A really good read. Couple thoughts.

Sorry, but don’t care to see positive right ups on Estilme. I don’t want the Cowboys even considering this guy unless the league is considering playing in molasses.

JJ has some real momentum. Maybe him playing at Michigan was similar to Jordan playing at NC where the only person capable to keep Michael under 20 a game was Dean Smith.

Love that many are still are putting Ladd in the, “smallish, good route running, white guy slot player” box. Those people obviously watched his tape with one eye completely shut and the other half open.

Agree on Sainristill. Someone’s gonna get a find and agree on the 3 that should be rated lower than the consensus. That’s not the best news given that Guyton is a very real possibility here in Dallas. Slightly disconcerting that the tackles projected to be available when the Cowboys pick are mostly traitsy guys with limited experience at the right tackle position or the t-rex armed Morgan. Fingers crossed.

Was big on JPJ before the combine but not gonna lie, getting a little worried that something’s up that we’re not hearing. I’m a believer in where there’s smoke there’s fire (at least when it comes to football) so in erroring on the side of caution, I’d lean toward Barton.
FWIW, another ND running back a few years ago bombed the combine, slipped to the 5th and ended up being a really good RB - Kyren Williams. Estime is bigger and less shifty but he actually tested better than Williams.

Estime would be a 4th rounder for me (we don't have a 4th rounder however). He's a better prospect than Allen IMO, especially if you are worried about Estime not being fast/athletic enough for the NFL.
 

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TJ Bass is going to be a really good, solid OG for us.
I hope so. Definitely showed some promise. If we choose to start him this year, we'll see how it turns out. I feel much better about him and Richards than I do Hoffman (who we cut after the preseason and brought back after no one wanted him on waivers), which is why I'd prefer we draft a center in the first round and at least by the third.

One of the reasons I'd like for us to draft one of Powers-Johnson, Barton and Frazier is to give us lots of options since they can all three play guard (and Barton is even a tackle possibility). That gives us a chance to figure out the best line combination for replacing our starting LT and starting C.

I mean, even considering the possibility that Hoffman has somehow gone from undrafted to unwanted to a better starter at C than any of those three, one of those three compete to be the best man at guard while Tyler and Richards compete to be the best man at tackle.

Let's say we draft Powers-Johnson, I think the likely lineup would be LT Tyler Smith, LG TJ Bass, C Powers-Johnson, but it could be LT Tyler Smith, LG Powers-Johnson, C Brock Hoffman or LT Asim Richards, LG Tyler Smith, C Powers-Johnson (which is my preference because we'd have a very strong interior line).
 

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FWIW, another ND running back a few years ago bombed the combine, slipped to the 5th and ended up being a really good RB - Kyren Williams. Estime is bigger and less shifty but he actually tested better than Williams.

Estime would be a 4th rounder for me (we don't have a 4th rounder however). He's a better prospect than Allen IMO, especially if you are worried about Estime not being fast/athletic enough for the NFL.
Yeah, Kyren's a pretty nice player. My thoughts on Estime center more around his game film than his 4.71 (was 4.71, right?) @ the combine. I know his pro-day was much better, but I take the pro day stuff with a grain of salt since everyone's pro day is magically better.

If this outfit was a little more set in RB room Estime may be a nice complimentary back, IMO. However, I think they put themselves in the position of taking someone a little more dynamic at the position.
 

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Yeah, Kyren's a pretty nice player. My thoughts on Estime center more around his game film than his 4.71 (was 4.71, right?) @ the combine. I know his pro-day was much better, but I take the pro day stuff with a grain of salt since everyone's pro day is magically better.

If this outfit was a little more set in RB room Estime may be a nice complimentary back, IMO. However, I think they put themselves in the position of taking someone a little more dynamic at the position.
Oh they are definitely going to try to force a pick on a dynamic runner in the 2nd round IMO.
 

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Which prospect is rising most from his pro day performance?

Miller: Audric Estime, RB, Notre Dame.
One of the biggest surprises of the combine was Estime's 40-yard dash time of 4.71 seconds. No one expected him to break Chris Johnson's 4.24 running back record (2008), but that speed was concerning -- even for a big back at 5-foot-11 and 221 pounds. Estime got redemption at the Notre Dame pro day, though, with a 4.58-second run that is more in line with the speed he has shown on tape. Currently ranked as a late-Round 3 pick on my board, Estime has the power, patience, vision and contact balance of an NFL starting running back. It wouldn't be a surprise to see him among the top three RBs selected in this year's draft.

Yates: J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan. Hear me out on this, as I know many people are inherently dubious of the value of a quarterback pro day. And I agree, but what makes this situation a little bit different is that McCarthy's throwing session was a chance for the spotlight to be shined mostly on him, something that was not frequently the case at Michigan relative to other top quarterback prospects. The Wolverines were among the top 10 run-heavy teams in the nation, but McCarthy took center stage at the pro day.

Weighing in at 220 pounds -- up from his listed weight of 202 and in line with his 219 combine number -- McCarthy threw the ball with force and accuracy. Many NFL teams feel there are four top quarterbacks (rather than three), and I would not rule anything out with McCarthy -- obviously other than him going first overall to the Bears.

Reid: Spencer Rattler, QB, South Carolina. I'm going with a quarterback, too. Rattler generated plenty of buzz after his pro day throwing session, and an AFC area scout told me, "I think a team may take a chance on him somewhere in Round 2." Displaying balance, poise and accuracy, Rattler got the ball out with velocity. He worked his way through the workout with confidence, and I counted only five balls that fell to the turf, with three of those being drops. Teams that miss out on a QB early could take a long look at Rattler on Day 2.

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Which prospect are you higher on than consensus?

Reid: Mike Sainristil, CB, Michigan.
Even though he's only 5-9 and 182 pounds, Sainristil plays with toughness and could be a starter at nickel in the NFL. He is one of my favorite prospects to watch in this class, and I have him ranked at No. 50. I don't think he'll ultimately get picked in the top 50, though; he's more likely to be selected in the later portions of Day 2. But nickel defenders are very important in today's defensive systems, and I'd bet we'll be wondering in five years why Sainristil -- who picked off six passes last season -- wasn't drafted higher.

Yates: Maason Smith, DT, LSU. Smith has all the physical tools to become a standout in the NFL, checking in at 6-5 and 306 pounds with long arms and a massive wingspan. He looked the part of a star as a true freshman back in 2021, but a torn ACL in his left knee in 2022 essentially ended his season before it started. A slow start this past season felt to me like he was working his way back into playing shape, and he finished strong. His interior pocket disruption through strength and length will be a problem for offensive linemen. He has been a fixture in my top 50, which feels a full round -- or more -- higher than how most have evaluated him.

Miller: Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia. I'm surprised by this, because our guy Field is the president of the McConkey Fan Club, but I'm the only one of us who has him ranked in the top 25. McConkey battled through back and ankle injuries in 2023 but put together dominant performances at the Senior Bowl and combine -- including a 4.39-second run in the 40-yard dash. He might be typecast as a slot receiver given his size at 6 feet and 186 pounds, but McConkey has the quickness, burst and hands to be a high-level producer in the NFL. He's at No. 25 on my board even though he is generally considered a second-rounder in the Nos. 40-50 range.

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And which prospect are you lower on than consensus?

Yates: T'Vondre Sweat, DT, Texas.
I'm not sure Sweat is a top-30 or even top-40 player overall. While there's a ton to love about Sweat's game -- he's the most powerful defensive player in the class -- it is rare for a player of his stature (366 pounds) to play a significant number of snaps every week at the next level. Over the past five seasons, there has been just one NFL defensive player listed at 350-plus pounds to play at least 50% of his team's defensive snaps in a season (Michael Pierce at 55% last season). Sweat's flashes are outstanding, but I believe he will be more of a 40-45% player as opposed to someone who plays 60% or more of the snaps. And that makes using a top-64 pick on Sweat a less valuable use of resources in my opinion.

Miller: JC Latham, OT, Alabama. I have Latham at No. 23 overall, quite a bit lower than the top-15 status he gets from many evaluators. His heavy feet stand out way too often when watching him, despite some really good traits (grip strength and power) and the fact that he allowed two sacks in his entire career. Today's NFL requires movement and agility along the offensive line, as the West Coast system's roots touch so many playbooks. Tackles who can get to the second level are now a requirement, and that's not part of Latham's game. Maybe I'm overthinking this or putting too much stock into games against Texas and Michigan in which he struggled. But Latham looks like a good right tackle or even right guard to me, not a potential top-five NFL right tackle with a top-15 ranking.

Reid: Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma. Guyton anchored the right side of Oklahoma's offensive front and had a really good final season there. The pass-protection traits are appealing, too. But Guyton still has room for improvement as a run-blocker, as his hand usage and balance are inconsistent. He tends to misfire with his hands and slide off blocks. We saw it on tape and again at the Senior Bowl. In a deep offensive tackle class, I have Guyton graded as an early Day 2 prospect and ranked No. 31 overall. But based on consensus, he could be a first-rounder, and it would not be surprising if Guyton is drafted as high as No. 20 to the Steelers.

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Which team picking in the first round is the biggest wild card?

Miller: Los Angeles Chargers.
A new regime is in place with coach Jim Harbaugh and general manager Joe Hortiz running their first draft together, which already brings mystery to the team's first-round approach. But the Chargers also cut wide receiver Mike Williams, traded wideout Keenan Allen and still have an existing need for an offensive tackle to pair with Rashawn Slater, leaving this wide open. Oh, and Harbaugh keeps telling people that McCarthy -- who played for him at Michigan -- is the best quarterback in the draft. With the No. 5 pick, the Chargers could select Notre Dame tackle Joe Alt, take the best receiver on the board or trade down to add draft capital (and get the best tackle or receiver available down the board).

Reid: New York Giants. With the No. 6 pick, it seems that a lot depends on how they view this year's QB class. If McCarthy or another highly graded passer is still on the board, do the Giants draft him? Daniel Jones hasn't stayed healthy (torn ACL in 2023) and struggled when he did play last season, so GM Joe Schoen could look to take his QB of the future. But wide receiver is an alternative avenue for them. Marvin Harrison Jr. (Ohio State), Malik Nabers (LSU) and Rome Odunze (Washington) are three great options who could be available. The Giants lack a true WR1, and any of them would immediately be the top option for the team as a rookie.

Yates: Denver Broncos. Picking at No. 12 (for now), I'm struggling to get a grasp on what approach Denver will adopt if it stands pat. Will the Broncos fill their most obvious need at quarterback even if there are few leftover options after teams in the top 10 pursue the top guys? Will they attempt to trade up to secure that quarterback? Of note, Denver is light on draft capital and doesn't have a second-round pick, so a trade up the board would be difficult to execute. Or will the team eschew the QB spot -- and if so, will it go "best player available" at a lesser need (i.e. Alabama CB Terrion Arnold or Georgia TE Brock Bowers)? It's a hard team to figure out.

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Miller's notes:

- One of the most interesting nuggets I've picked up over the past two weeks is that multiple NFL teams have McCarthy ranked ahead of North Carolina's Drake Maye. A high-ranking evaluator I spoke to this week said McCarthy's winning résumé, upside as a mobile QB and impeccable poise under pressure all graded out higher for them than Maye. When under pressure last season, McCarthy completed an FBS-best 68% of his passes and averaged 10 yards per attempt (second-best).

- In talking to scouts over the past two weeks, it sounds like teams are not as high on Oregon center Jackson Powers-Johnson as the media consensus. JPJ had a strong early performance at the Senior Bowl before leaving the second practice with a hamstring injury. It was that early impression that saw him rise up draft boards. He followed that up with a good showing in position drills at the combine but didn't participate in most of the other drills -- he did only the bench press and vertical/broad jumps -- before shutting it down. The feedback I've received from teams is that while he might go in the first round, it's unlikely that he would be selected in the top 25 picks based on where teams are ranking him.

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Reid's notes:

- Duke offensive lineman Graham Barton had his pro day Thursday and wowed evaluators in attendance. At 6-5 and 313 pounds, scouts had times in the 4.94-4.97 range for his 40-yard dash and an impressive 7.31-second three-cone drill. Barton is viewed primarily as a center, but many scouts who I talked to mentioned the Titans' Peter Skoronski as a comparison. Some evaluators say Barton could go inside the top 15, pointing to a lack of versatile interior blockers in this class. (I have him ranked at No. 26.)

- The Patriots and Commanders had the most representation among teams at pro days for LSU's Jayden Daniels (Wednesday) and North Carolina's Maye (Thursday). Both teams were shoulder-to-shoulder standing behind each of the passers. Who the Commanders will take at No. 2 seems like it could go either way, and scouts seemed to love that Maye and Daniels had back-to-back pro days to get a closer look.

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Yates' notes:

- Rice wide receiver Luke McCaffrey comes up often in scouting chats, as Christian's younger brother is a fun prospect to study and project. The former quarterback has just two seasons as a receiver under his belt, but he crushed the combine and shows a competitive edge on film. While his route running is still a work in progress, McCaffrey tied with Odunze for the most contested catches in FBS last season with 24. He might need a developmental stage, but he's an early Day 3 pick I would bet on -- and he has a lot of love around the league.

- There are two positions where teams tell me the order of players will reflect "what you need" more than others: tight end and safety. While Bowers is by far the best tight end in the class, the next one off the board could be any number of players. Texas' Ja'Tavion Sanders excelled after the catch in college but had a pedestrian 40 time at the combine, TCU's Jared Wiley has a massive frame at 6-6 and can run, and Penn State's Theo Johnson had a dominant combine after modest college production. Meanwhile, I feel good about having Utah's Cole Bishop as my top-ranked safety, but there are varying opinions about how that position stacks up, with Kamren Kinchens (Miami), Jaden Hicks (Washington State), Tyler Nubin (Minnesota) and Javon Bullard (Georgia) also in the mix for the best in class.

- The Washington pro day was full of NFL personnel -- and future NFL talent. Quarterback Michael Penix Jr.'s throwing session was as expected, as the ball flies off his hand effortlessly. I'll continue to contend that he is as impressive as any quarterback throwing from the pocket. He also opted to do the vertical (36.5 inches) and broad (10-foot-5) jumps, and scouts near me clocked him in the 4.56-4.59 range in the 40. And while neither Troy Fautanu or Roger Rosengarten is a sleeper, seeing each of them move up close was impressive. Fautanu's feet might be the best in the class, while Rosengarten is so solid in space. Fautanu sneaking into the top 10 picks in the draft is something I've pondered for my own mock drafts.
I'm wondering if the Cowboys are viewing Barton as a left tackle? @ first I was thinking center.....but now I'm not so sure. Any relation to the 49ers Harris Barton from the 90"s? He was a tackle.....maybe his kid?
 

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I'm wondering if the Cowboys are viewing Barton as a left tackle? @ first I was thinking center.....but now I'm not so sure. Any relation to the 49ers Harris Barton from the 90"s? He was a tackle.....maybe his kid?
No relation!
 

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Yeah, Kyren's a pretty nice player. My thoughts on Estime center more around his game film than his 4.71 (was 4.71, right?) @ the combine. I know his pro-day was much better, but I take the pro day stuff with a grain of salt since everyone's pro day is magically better.

If this outfit was a little more set in RB room Estime may be a nice complimentary back, IMO. However, I think they put themselves in the position of taking someone a little more dynamic at the position.
It is not true about pro days always being better; or the reason either. SOmeone could have had a minor leg problem on the day they ran the 40 or it was just a bad day
nothing is ever 100% (except the boys always taking a risk with the 2nd rd pick)
 

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For all you Peyton Wilson fans, they were briefly talking about him on the draft show today. They were saying "Dane has been hearing whispers about his medicals". FWIW.
 
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